High School boy forfeits wrestling match because of his Christian beliefs

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: JAGStorm

What a callous and flippant arrogant statement, Jags. About him citing his religion: "I personally think that is a pretty weak cop out."

Really? You don't think it took courage for that kid to forfeit the match? You don't think he thought about the teasing he would get? Or the push-back from his team members? Have some humanity, lady.....

I think the real question is why the hell are we having boys and girls wrestle?

Well said, KS! Bravo!!!

And thanks for saying it.

a reply to: neutronflux

The dog per se... Is this is nothing new! As I wrestled from 1974-1988 and there was always a year in which some girl thought she would wrestle and then by the end of the year she jumped back into a different sport!


Guess what I am saying as this world now is upside down with racism and reverse racism is this is a (no news) as it has been going on probably longer than I wrestled and probably before.


So lets not spin, put fear porn, and get our panties in a wad per se as coaches and wrestlers have been dealing with this same issue for years and no one walked off the matt that I know of until now due to her sexuality!

Owe and to answer your question: I would of wrestled her and pinned her within the first minute just like every other person I did my last year and still shook her hand with no qualms or issues!

a reply to: kingsquirel

I don't know.

When I was wrestling, it was vicious...

Slamming on the mat, pressure points with elbows and knees all over the body, wicked headlocks to slamming on the mat.

Brutal

I couldn't beat a girl like that.

a reply to: JAGStorm

20 some years ago, when I was in HS, I'd have whipped that ass male or female, but it was a much different time. The young man was probably pretty smart to take this route because he stands to gain very little and potentially lose everything. Maybe not today, but the way this screwy world is going, maybe a decade or two down the road the revelation of "Oh, you whipped a female in a sanctioned wrestling match in high school... that was abhorrent and your career is now over." could easily be possible. Humans SUCK at judging history through a modern lens... I mean we've got people (Mark Furhman) being accused of racism because they used a slur in a scripted stage play they did not write, judged today for 20 year old behavior which was acceptable then but is now re-examined, etc.

As is usually the case, humans suck.

What a friggin mary, I would have suplexed her ass hard. Maybe a full nelson to teach her a thing or two about wrastlin'.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

What a friggin mary, I would have suplexed her ass hard. Maybe a full nelson to teach her a thing or two about wrastlin'.

Jerry Lawler will break your neck.

a reply to: burdman30ott6


Just gonna say, 'Woooooooooooooooooooooooo!'. I have Flair.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
www.npr.org...

Her would-be opponent, Johnston, told reporters that he was uncomfortable wrestling females, in part because of his Christian beliefs.

This is really interesting territory we're getting into. This is the kind of stuff we really didn't deal with much in my generation.
I remember a lone girl wanting to play football or something like that, but it was not the norm.

This high school boy gave up his chance at a state match because he was not comfortable wrestling a girl.
He blamed it on his religion. I personally think that is pretty weak cop out. Maybe he was scared of losing to a girl.
If he is really concerned on religious reasons, is it good to do those same moves with another boy? Really think about that.



I'm a girl and I think these guys should wrestle girls and don't hold back. They should treat them as if they were wrestingling anyone else.
If the girls lose they lose, but if they win, they do so fairly.

Yes it is obvious you are a woman. You guys just don't understand how a man would feel about this I guess.

There is no way as a guy you could give it your all in physical competition with a woman unless you are a total chode.

Thing to remember even with someone like Ronda Rousey a low experienced male boxers would tear her up. If we are talking pre-puberty then boys and girls are basically equal, but after that men are 50% stronger in upper body and 40% stronger in lower body with about 6 extra inches in height.

2nd

I thought Jesus used to wrestle women all the time. The whole story of Veronica and the veil was him wrestling her and then when she literally threw in the towel, he wiped his face with it and threw it back at her. He was a sore winner.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
...when she literally threw in the towel, he wiped his face with it and threw it back at her.

That's in Turin now, right?

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Thing to remember even with someone like Ronda Rousey a low experienced male boxers would tear her up. If we are talking pre-puberty then boys and girls are basically equal, but after that men are 50% stronger in upper body and 40% stronger in lower body with about 6 extra inches in height.

Men are built bigger than women to force them to mate when they don't want to. Nature is not a feminist.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Thing to remember even with someone like Ronda Rousey a low experienced male boxers would tear her up. If we are talking pre-puberty then boys and girls are basically equal, but after that men are 50% stronger in upper body and 40% stronger in lower body with about 6 extra inches in height.

Men are built bigger than women to force them to mate when they don't want to. Nature is not a feminist.

Pretty sure there are weight/size classes for wrestling.

originally posted by: kingsquirel
Jesus...what a weasle. Wrestled since I was 4 years old and there was always a unlucky girl that wanted to be a boy in Oregon. They would usually make it all of one season and then by districts they would be done. So please dont act like this is new...

Sounds like he was scared to me and used any bull..it reason to get out of the match...

Jesus...USA wrestling in Portland Oregon...i.e..snakes would of put her off the Matt ...meaning a pin, in less than a minute with no excuses.

Guess his Matt club has excuses?

His record is pretty good. All his losses are forfeits, to girls. Do your research.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: kingsquirel

I don't know.

When I was wrestling, it was vicious...

Slamming on the mat, pressure points with elbows and knees all over the body, wicked headlocks to slamming on the mat.

Brutal

I couldn't beat a girl like that.

Exactly. Those of us who researched will see this is the reason the boy gave.

Kudos to him. I am the same way. I got jumped back in the 90s by 4 girls who thought they were in a gang. Couldn't bring myself to hit them back. They respected me more after that, and I never had trouble with them again.

a reply to: JAGStorm


I really think this had nothing to do with his pride or winning or losing against a girl

he just straight up didnt want to get aroused wrestling a girl in front of hundreds of people!

He is christian and probably reserved and conservative with his sexuality
so any contact with a girl no matter what would likely result in him getting aroused!

Dude just didnt want to get humiliated with a boner in front of a packed stadium!
So he said no!

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Thing to remember even with someone like Ronda Rousey a low experienced male boxers would tear her up. If we are talking pre-puberty then boys and girls are basically equal, but after that men are 50% stronger in upper body and 40% stronger in lower body with about 6 extra inches in height.

I saw this when I raced BMX. There were a few VERY TALENTED girls who could compete with boys on a national level. They'd even win occasionally. However, they were only competitive till about 12 years old. After that, the boys hit puberty and their growth spurt kicked in and the girls were in no way capable of performing on the same level. In addition, the racing got way more physical. Elbows thrown in the berms, etc. Girls simply would not be able to handle the physicality of it. I'd imagine fighting sports would be even worse, no matter how skilled a female may be.

I remember when I first started racing, I had to race a girl. She beat me. She was the #2 girl IN THE WORLD at the time. It was my second or third race maybe. I was literally a beginner who could barely make it around the track and could hang with a girl who literally the weeks prior was on ESPN at the world championships.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Pretty sure there are weight/size classes for wrestling.

A 45-pound chimpanzee could easily tear my face off and then go out for a banana split.

Another variable, if the boy is a virgin and has not had much contact with girls, prolonged body contact with her could produce an unintended reaction that would be most embarrassing to both wrestlers. Are the people that set this up stupid ?