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The real hoax of climate change

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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 09:41 AM
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It is all about wealth redistribution and other Progressive ideal. This article analyzes the Green New Deal ( all 14 pages) and mentions the references to social justice such as wealth inequality. Somehow the GND doesn’t address Al Gore getting to live in a big house and fly around in private planes while the rest of us are supposed to sacrifice. www.google.com...
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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: neoholographic

Check the frequency of each word used in a given person's answer/pitch, and there should be a correlation between sentiment and frequency of the word "science". If only you could quantify sentiment



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: KellyKill
a reply to: neoholographic

Nice. Now only the poors defend the denial of climate change. Keep it up. The rich will survive, and you poors will suffer and die.
Actually the whole point of the climate debate is depopulation and govt control by the rich and powerful elites. Aoc just happens to fall into the category of the powerful these days and by the way she’s got Soros standing behind her.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: StrangeQuark96

they wont put limits on population ,they even more debt slaves to soak up all that national debt !

they need more humans to borrow more
we are a commodity



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi
Climate always changes through time. Earth warms up and cools down. The question that people argue about is whether the current state of climate change is man made. Most scientists believe it is. Certainly in my lifetime the climate where I live has, and is changing.


Say what now? The climate where you live has changed?

Please tell us what classification it changed from and to:

Group A: Tropical climate.
Group B: Dry climate.
Group C: Moderate climate.
Group D: Continental climate.
Group E: Polar Climate.
Group H: Highland climate.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 12:56 PM
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Fascinating article written by an astrologer also versed in astrophysics solarcycle24com.proboards.com...



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 02:23 PM
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I tend to be on Elon Musk's side on all this when he said.

""We're running the most dangerous experiment in history right now, which is to see how much carbon dioxide the atmosphere can handle before there is an environmental catastrophe."

Now he does have a dog in the fight so I'm not sure how much is his true belief or business belief, but at some point, and we really do not know when, the amount of CO2 will have a negative affect on the atmosphere, and us.

The biggest problem I see is that China is the largest culprit and if they do not change and the rest of the world does it will not be near enough. We are talking about a county that makes plastic rice and fake baby formula, use gutter oil for reuse in food cooking, have roving slaughter houses to cut up sick and already dead animals that the normal slaughter houses will not take, so on and so on. With all this we expect them to clean up their act? Don't think so, might as well throw in the vast majority of the top 100 polluted cities are in China and China alone dumps almost 1/2 the total amount of plastics into our oceans per year.

We can see in the 90s that China sky rocketed below and when we compare that to temp changes we can see a correlation that it all stared about the same time. In 2011 they doubled the US where we have remained constant as much of the world has since the 60s




In 2017 the US is heading in the right direction but China and soon India are not...


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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 03:40 PM
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The Grand Solar Minimum(not man made ). abruptearthchanges.com... ogfuzMZta2Y4



posted on Mar, 16 2019 @ 07:10 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero
I tend to be on Elon Musk's side on all this when he said.

""We're running the most dangerous experiment in history right now, which is to see how much carbon dioxide the atmosphere can handle before there is an environmental catastrophe."

Now he does have a dog in the fight so I'm not sure how much is his true belief or business belief, but at some point, and we really do not know when, the amount of CO2 will have a negative affect on the atmosphere, and us.

The biggest problem I see is that China is the largest culprit and if they do not change and the rest of the world does it will not be near enough. We are talking about a county that makes plastic rice and fake baby formula, use gutter oil for reuse in food cooking, have roving slaughter houses to cut up sick and already dead animals that the normal slaughter houses will not take, so on and so on. With all this we expect them to clean up their act? Don't think so, might as well throw in the vast majority of the top 100 polluted cities are in China and China alone dumps almost 1/2 the total amount of plastics into our oceans per year.

We can see in the 90s that China sky rocketed below and when we compare that to temp changes we can see a correlation that it all stared about the same time. In 2011 they doubled the US where we have remained constant as much of the world has since the 60s




In 2017 the US is heading in the right direction but China and soon India are not...



China and India probably have 10 times the population of the US. No way they will ever have a carbon tax like the US has. They want to dominate the world with manufacturing. Carbon tax only moves manufacturing out of the country to countries that don't have carbon tax.



posted on Mar, 16 2019 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: HaiTaiChen

China and India probably have 10 times the population of the US. No way they will ever have a carbon tax like the US has. They want to dominate the world with manufacturing. Carbon tax only moves manufacturing out of the country to countries that don't have carbon tax.


I'm 100% against carbon tax, that is the political money making side to this all. One thing that Musk did not talk about, as genius as he is, is that replacements naturally happen when they become about the same price or cheaper and you get the same or better performance. I have said Tesla is on the right track, and when they produce a car that can go 400 miles, get charged in 30 min, do 0 - 60 in under 3 seconds and cost well under 35k etc the gas car/truck will go the way of the horse, but I don't think it is cars right now as the biggest culprit. Coal is still 3 times that of oil in CO2 and that is one area where the world can work harder before we all go to electric cars.


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posted on Mar, 16 2019 @ 12:49 PM
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In 2017 the US is heading in the right direction but China and soon India are not..
A reduction of 0.5% from 2016, according to BP. The US didn't do so good last year. And deregulation is not likely to help the situation.
www.scientificamerican.com...

Per capita, we are ahead of the rest of the world and far ahead of China. That's not a good thing.


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posted on Mar, 16 2019 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

Per capita, we are ahead of the rest of the world and far ahead of China. That's not a good thing.



EU and America are about the only countries on a downward trend, THAT is not a good thing. Though I agree with you that per capita is important, old mother earth doesn't care about it, and if we wanted to go down that path then the middle East is causing climate change since their populations are small enough to greatly exceed America China per capita etc. China can even do better as they grow another 1 billion to be less of the problem... right?

Add in the huge number of polluted cities in China and the massive amount of plastic they dump in our oceans doesn't necessary need to be per capita.



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posted on Mar, 16 2019 @ 01:22 PM
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That downward trend in the US is not guaranteed. Deregulation, doncha know.



and if we wanted to go down that path then the middle East is causing climate change since their populations are small enough to greatly exceed America China per capita etc
The world is causing climate change.

Pollution of any sort is not desirable but since this topic is climate change, plastic doesn't really seem to on point.

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posted on Mar, 16 2019 @ 02:10 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

Pollution of any sort is not desirable but since this topic is climate change, plastic doesn't really seem to on point.


My point is you focus on per capita and I'm saying that China is the worst in the world in the vast majority of all pollution categorizes with most by huge amounts...Being that way in just about all areas they will only get worst. We can see that America had a reduction of 40 million tons of CO2 and China had an increase of 120 million tons of CO2 in 2017 while having a slight decline in population, so thee goes your per capita as to who might be working on their problems.



posted on Mar, 16 2019 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: HaiTaiChen

China and India probably have 10 times the population of the US. No way they will ever have a carbon tax like the US has. They want to dominate the world with manufacturing. Carbon tax only moves manufacturing out of the country to countries that don't have carbon tax.


I'm 100% against carbon tax, that is the political money making side to this all. One thing that Musk did not talk about, as genius as he is, is that replacements naturally happen when they become about the same price or cheaper and you get the same or better performance. I have said Tesla is on the right track, and when they produce a car that can go 400 miles, get charged in 30 min, do 0 - 60 in under 3 seconds and cost well under 35k etc the gas car/truck will go the way of the horse, but I don't think it is cars right now as the biggest culprit. Coal is still 3 times that of oil in CO2 and that is one area where the world can work harder before we all go to electric cars.



Stone has been used to build houses for thousands of years and stone is still the most valuable material for building houses. Oil powered cars and trucks ain't doing the way of the horse anytime soon, which by the way are still used by Mennonites. Battery cars and oil cars were both invented in the 1800s. There's a reason oil cars dominate sales. Battery cars may be able to compete if they get subsidies. But without subsidies no way. Not convenient. Too long to charge.



posted on Mar, 16 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Xtrozero


In 2017 the US is heading in the right direction but China and soon India are not..
A reduction of 0.5% from 2016, according to BP. The US didn't do so good last year. And deregulation is not likely to help the situation.
www.scientificamerican.com...

Per capita, we are ahead of the rest of the world and far ahead of China. That's not a good thing.



Americans take a hot shower everyday. That's a lot of natural gas burning for heating. Lots of CO2 emission from that.
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posted on Mar, 16 2019 @ 02:19 PM
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It is people which do, after all, produce carbon emissions. It seems that the people in the US are better at producing carbon emissions than the people in the China, as individuals. Wouldn't it be great if we could produce as little per person as the Chinese do?

Yes in 2017 there was a 0.5% decrease in CO2 production (according to BP). That went away in 2018. Working on problems. Yeah, like this:
Deregulation
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posted on Mar, 16 2019 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Xtrozero

It is people which do, after all, produce carbon emissions. It seems that the people in the US are better at producing carbon emissions than the people in the China, as individuals. Wouldn't it be great if we could produce as little per person as the Chinese do?

Yes in 2017 there was a 0.5% decrease in CO2 production (according to BP). That went away in 2018. Working on problems. Yeah, like this:
Deregulation


China is adding hundreds of millions of cars over the next decade or two. Watch for a spike in China's per capita CO2 emission. Because China will never have carbon tax or cap and trade, China is expected to vastly increase CO2 emission over the next decade or two.



posted on Mar, 16 2019 @ 03:07 PM
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Does this mean that private and public jets will be taxed when they should of used a bike. What about volcanoes, do we really want to piss it off?



posted on Mar, 16 2019 @ 04:30 PM
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I find this useful www.climate4you.com...

Here, you will see that conclusions should not be drawn based on data over the short term and that CO2 content of the atmosphere has little to do with atmospheric temperatures. About every 100,000 years things warm up a bit and it looks like that is where we are now.
The entire anthropogenic global climate change argument appears to be motivated by something other than science as science says that CO2 doesn't matter very much. Maybe it is a plan to drive technology by manufactured crisis but some of the proposed solutions are exceptionally dangerous due to unintended consequences. One early suggestion involved formation of CO2 hydrates in the deep ocean after sequestration from power plants. The proposer did not consider that there is a heat of formation of the hydrate. What would happen if say a cubic kilometer of sea water warmed and rose toward the surface? Depending on where it was, maybe just a gentle stirring of the deep. If that same event disrupted an ocean current, what would happen? Consider that some ocean currents are meta-stable and if they are changed, they may not return to their original paths. Ocean currents determine climate and disrupting existing climates would play havoc with the world.




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