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Actually the whole point of the climate debate is depopulation and govt control by the rich and powerful elites. Aoc just happens to fall into the category of the powerful these days and by the way she’s got Soros standing behind her.
originally posted by: KellyKill
a reply to: neoholographic
Nice. Now only the poors defend the denial of climate change. Keep it up. The rich will survive, and you poors will suffer and die.
originally posted by: paraphi
Climate always changes through time. Earth warms up and cools down. The question that people argue about is whether the current state of climate change is man made. Most scientists believe it is. Certainly in my lifetime the climate where I live has, and is changing.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
I tend to be on Elon Musk's side on all this when he said.
""We're running the most dangerous experiment in history right now, which is to see how much carbon dioxide the atmosphere can handle before there is an environmental catastrophe."
Now he does have a dog in the fight so I'm not sure how much is his true belief or business belief, but at some point, and we really do not know when, the amount of CO2 will have a negative affect on the atmosphere, and us.
The biggest problem I see is that China is the largest culprit and if they do not change and the rest of the world does it will not be near enough. We are talking about a county that makes plastic rice and fake baby formula, use gutter oil for reuse in food cooking, have roving slaughter houses to cut up sick and already dead animals that the normal slaughter houses will not take, so on and so on. With all this we expect them to clean up their act? Don't think so, might as well throw in the vast majority of the top 100 polluted cities are in China and China alone dumps almost 1/2 the total amount of plastics into our oceans per year.
We can see in the 90s that China sky rocketed below and when we compare that to temp changes we can see a correlation that it all stared about the same time. In 2011 they doubled the US where we have remained constant as much of the world has since the 60s
In 2017 the US is heading in the right direction but China and soon India are not...
originally posted by: HaiTaiChen
China and India probably have 10 times the population of the US. No way they will ever have a carbon tax like the US has. They want to dominate the world with manufacturing. Carbon tax only moves manufacturing out of the country to countries that don't have carbon tax.
A reduction of 0.5% from 2016, according to BP. The US didn't do so good last year. And deregulation is not likely to help the situation.
In 2017 the US is heading in the right direction but China and soon India are not..
originally posted by: Phage
Per capita, we are ahead of the rest of the world and far ahead of China. That's not a good thing.
The world is causing climate change.
and if we wanted to go down that path then the middle East is causing climate change since their populations are small enough to greatly exceed America China per capita etc
originally posted by: Phage
Pollution of any sort is not desirable but since this topic is climate change, plastic doesn't really seem to on point.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: HaiTaiChen
China and India probably have 10 times the population of the US. No way they will ever have a carbon tax like the US has. They want to dominate the world with manufacturing. Carbon tax only moves manufacturing out of the country to countries that don't have carbon tax.
I'm 100% against carbon tax, that is the political money making side to this all. One thing that Musk did not talk about, as genius as he is, is that replacements naturally happen when they become about the same price or cheaper and you get the same or better performance. I have said Tesla is on the right track, and when they produce a car that can go 400 miles, get charged in 30 min, do 0 - 60 in under 3 seconds and cost well under 35k etc the gas car/truck will go the way of the horse, but I don't think it is cars right now as the biggest culprit. Coal is still 3 times that of oil in CO2 and that is one area where the world can work harder before we all go to electric cars.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Xtrozero
A reduction of 0.5% from 2016, according to BP. The US didn't do so good last year. And deregulation is not likely to help the situation.
In 2017 the US is heading in the right direction but China and soon India are not..
www.scientificamerican.com...
Per capita, we are ahead of the rest of the world and far ahead of China. That's not a good thing.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Xtrozero
It is people which do, after all, produce carbon emissions. It seems that the people in the US are better at producing carbon emissions than the people in the China, as individuals. Wouldn't it be great if we could produce as little per person as the Chinese do?
Yes in 2017 there was a 0.5% decrease in CO2 production (according to BP). That went away in 2018. Working on problems. Yeah, like this:
Deregulation