Another 737 MAX-8 down

a reply to: thebozeian

As much as I'm convinced there is a software concern, the way the transponder cut off says it's more than that on this flight. An aircraft with a flight control problem doesn't suddenly lose a transponder like this one did.

There are too many reports of pilots fighting software to totally disregard a software issue, I just think we're going to find this one had another issue besides just software.

a reply to: Zaphod58

They didn't use that special aluminum powder composite tires they used for the SR 71?
Cutting down on operating costs is usually a priority, but manufactured in volume fire proof tires seem like a no brainer.

a reply to: Slichter

They weren't truly fireproof, they were heat resistant. They could and did catch fire.

According to AFP the Black Boxes are going to "Europe"

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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: thebozeian

As much as I'm convinced there is a software concern, the way the transponder cut off says it's more than that on this flight. An aircraft with a flight control problem doesn't suddenly lose a transponder like this one did.

There are too many reports of pilots fighting software to totally disregard a software issue, I just think we're going to find this one had another issue besides just software.

This is why the US requires flight crews have so many hours flight time. The recent crash they had like 200 hrs flight time. Too many underskilled pilots.

a reply to: yuppa

That may have played a role, but without having a preliminary cause there's no way to know yet.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: thebozeian

As much as I'm convinced there is a software concern, the way the transponder cut off says it's more than that on this flight. An aircraft with a flight control problem doesn't suddenly lose a transponder like this one did.

There are too many reports of pilots fighting software to totally disregard a software issue, I just think we're going to find this one had another issue besides just software.

This is why the US requires flight crews have so many hours flight time. The recent crash they had like 200 hrs flight time. Too many underskilled pilots.

The first officer had 200 hrs, the captain logged over 8000.

Also how exactly do you think that pilots get their hours if not by flying?

a reply to: moebius

I was about to say the same thing. Yes the Co pilot was inexperienced in actual flying but he'd no doubt done a lot of simulator flying and has to start somewhere or else we'd run out of pilots.

Add Canada to the list of countries who have grounded planes

NewsAlert: Canada orders grounding of all Boeing 737 Max 8s over safety concerns

a reply to: moebius

In the US a commercial pilot has to have a minimum of 1500 to get his ATP rating which lets them get hired by a carrier for anything but small aircraft.

POTUS issuing emergency to ground the 737 Max 8 and 9 jets.

Announced moments ago.

Wow, again

originally posted by: ausername
POTUS issuing emergency to ground the 737 Max 8 and 9 jets.

Announced moments ago.

Wow, again

Do we not have the MAX 10 version here in the US? Or what makes that model different?

a reply to: TheGoondockSaint

I don't have the answers sorry.

Latest on US grounding...

www.foxnews.com...

It sure took the US long enough to do the obviously right thing. The whole world had come to its senses and ground this plane.

In one of the complaints, a captain reported an autopilot anomaly which led to a brief nose-down situation -- where the front of the aircraft pointed down, according to the federal database. In another complaint, a first officer reported that the aircraft pitched nose down after the autopilot was engaged during departure. The autopilot was then disconnected and flight continued to its destination, according to the database.

www.cnn.com...

Other pilot complaints from the federal database include a report saying it is "unconscionable" that Boeing, the US aviation regulatory agency (the Federal Aviation Administration) and the unnamed airline would have pilots flying without adequate training or sufficient documentation.
The same entry also charges that the flight manual "is inadequate and almost criminally insufficient."

From the Ethiopian crash has come information that the crash was attributed to the same issue.

This will likely be an astronomical lawsuit against Boeing

Any chance that this will involve the Navy's P-8's?

a reply to: JIMC5499

No. They're based on the -800.

a reply to: TheGoondockSaint

It hasn't entered service yet.

a reply to: Willtell

No it hasn't been attributed to the same cause. They're a week minimum from that. There are similarities that have led people to believe they both have the same cause, but until the FDR and CVR are sent out and decoded no one knows that they're the same cause. Until we know that they're related, there's no 'obviously right thing" to do.

Sheesh!😔

Fresh screen captures.
Remaining 8 max right now.

Remaining 9 max right now.

Been watching this thread since it started.


Edit: if anyone could upload this from Instagram, it would be helpful.
In retrospect:

Fox News showing video of southwest max 8 sitting after being pushed back at DFW apparently. Looks like they don't know what to do yet.