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Another 737 MAX-8 down

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posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: KansasGirl

It depends on what causes the crash. In the case of the DC-10, with the rear cargo door, they didn't ground them and did a fix of the door over time despite at least one crash, and two serious incidents caused by it. With the AA190 crash, where the engine came off on takeoff, they were grounded immediately. So unless they can prove these are related, and there's a serious systemic issue, they probably won't be grounded.
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posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 12:19 PM
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Why would anyone expect there to be any survivors after a jumbo jet goes into the ground? Of course there were no survivors.



posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

I agree it is too early and the flight data is different. Different pilots would react differently though, causing the plane to act different. The type of pilot error that set off the anti-stall could of been different also.

Whatever the cause it is sad to see so much loss of life.



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posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 12:30 PM
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a reply to: BrianFlanders

It's not a jumbo jet, but it depends on how the plane comes down. Northwest lost a plane in Detroit that was completely destroyed, slammed through cars and hit an overpass. There was nothing recognizable left afterwards, but there was a little girl that survived.



posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: LookingAtMars

Yeah, but we'd still see some similarities. There would still be a more wild swing in vertical speed, or more incidents of the speed going from positive rate to negative rate. The plane would be fighting back. At this point, though I'd expect most pilots to be trained in the trim system, and how to react if it starts to act up. It's possible that it did play a role, but early indications, and my best guess is that it didn't this time.



posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Thanks for the info. I trust your best guess more than random things I have been reading on the internet.



posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 12:46 PM
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The aircraft showed no maintenance discrepancies on its inbound flight from Johannesburg.

This is likely to increase concerns over the Max series of aircraft, regardless of the cause though.


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posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 01:30 PM
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A friend of mine was supposed to be on that flight but the IRS saved his life by taking every dime he had a few weeks prior to it. He didn't have enough money for the vacation. Flight 255 if I recall






posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 04:09 PM
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Let the wild claims begin. In addition to the UN, the World Food Program had staff on board, as did The Tamarind Group. A Slovakian lawmaker's family was also on board.



posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

A Norwegian representative of the Red Cross was also aboard, according to Norwegian news papers, and a "group" of Canadian as well as some US citizens, from the same source.



posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: beetee

They've said eight Americans and 18 Canadians I believe. A total of 35 different nationalities.



posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 07:06 PM
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Authorities said Canadians (18), Chinese (8), Americans (8), Italians (8), Indians (4), French (7), British (7), Dutch (5), Russian (3), Moroccan (2), Israeli (2), Belgian (1), Ugandan (1), Yemeni (1), Sudanese (1), Togolese (1), Mozambican (1), Norwegian (1) and Egyptians (6) were among the foreigners killed in the crash, along with Ethiopians (9) and Kenyans (32). Four held a UN passport.

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A witness to the crash reported "the back side" of the aircraft was on fire before they impacted.

Multiple people have called for grounding the Max until the cause of the accident is known. Unconfirmed reports that China has asked operators to ground their Max aircraft. There are far fewer airborne today than a week ago.
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posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Considering the eye witness report, was this one a Max also?


Air Transat Flight 942 is towed along the runway at Newark Liberty International Airport, Saturday, March 9, 2019 in Newark NJ. The Boeing 737 with 189 passengers aboard made an emergency landing after a possible fire in the cargo hold was reported. Two passengers suffered minor injuries. No fire was found and the cause of the smoke remains under investigation.





posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 08:04 PM
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A report on the Flight 409 crash flying from Beirut into Addis Ababa sounded like pilot error?


Defence minister Elias Murr said the plane failed to follow instructions from Beirut air traffic controllers, for reasons that were not immediately clear. "A command tower recording shows the tower told the pilot to turn to avoid the storm, but the plane went in the opposite direction," he said. "We do not know what happened or whether it was beyond the pilot's control."

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posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: RexKramerPRT

What relevance do you post that with? That it was done by the US government or do you think the protests that they were warning about had an effect on this situation?


Ever since (Pacific Time)

9 Mar 2019 - 3:35:12 PM



Quote by ATS Moderator - Zaphod58

everything is relevant.


Hope that helps.



P.S. Another way to put it, would be to say that, ever since November of 2016, everything is relevant. But, even more so after March 9th 3:35:12 Pacific Time.



posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: LookingAtMars

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Zaphod58

Something new in the cockpit or plane that either poorly trained pilots or ground crew arent up on yet?


I have been reading a new anti-stall feature may be the cause for the two crashes. It thinks the plane is stalling if there is some type of pilot error and will point the nose down automatically.


Well the good news, if it is that anti stall system, is that, if the pilots didnt mention the system going off, or having to fight against it or something, the black boxes would surely have record of its having been activated, and at what point exactly I presume?

Unless "they" wish to keep using it as an assassination tool, and so cover it up.



posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 08:37 PM
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It looks like China has officially grounded the aircraft according to the nytimes.com.

Boeing Faces Questions About Its New 737 Max Jets After Ethiopia Crash



The Civil Aviation Administration of China then issued an order for the mandatory grounding of Boeing 737 Max planes by Chinese carriers, Caijing said, without identifying where it had obtained the information.

Flight-tracking websites showed that Chinese airlines were starting to substitute Boeing 737-800s on Monday morning on routes on which they had previously operated a Boeing 737 Max.



posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: LookingAtMars

No, that was an -800.



posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: Slichter
A report on the Flight 409 crash flying from Beirut into Addis Ababa sounded like pilot error?


Defence minister Elias Murr said the plane failed to follow instructions from Beirut air traffic controllers, for reasons that were not immediately clear. "A command tower recording shows the tower told the pilot to turn to avoid the storm, but the plane went in the opposite direction," he said. "We do not know what happened or whether it was beyond the pilot's control."


Emphasis on sounded like.

Remember on 9/11, how they took remote control over the planes?



posted on Mar, 10 2019 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: 3n19m470

You mean with the autopilot that was never installed?



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