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Another 737 MAX-8 down

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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: twosquares

final answer.

1. Plane experiences intense EM storm
2. Plane begins to dive close to -vertical
3. Pilots compromised somehow, its a near vertical drop
4. Autopilot attempts to save the day
5. Autopilot over-corrects and the pilots are still vertical, maybe passed out?
5. Autopilot keeps over-correcting by too much with no input from pilots, creating a pseudo-stable fuel intensive maneuver
6. Plane either hits new terrain or can't burn it's fuel correctly
7. Final free falling descent near terminal velocity, crash




posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 08:59 AM
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What's going on at Boeing?

www.cnn.com...


(CNN) In a blistering attack on Boeing, the Air Force's top acquisition official said the company has a "severe situation" with flawed inspections of its new KC-46 air refueling tanker aircraft, after trash and industrial tools were found in some planes after they were delivered to the Air Force.





posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: ausername

If it's solar weather as the root cause, don't expect to hear it in the NYT.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 09:18 AM
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Really not surprised that at all. The trend in American workers.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 09:25 AM
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Short term, strong para-magnetism? Trash/tools could get lost while people aren't looking or feeling the solar activity (because we don't feel it)



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:00 AM
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They had to take experienced workers and move them to the 737 line when they tried to ramp up 737 production too high. That meant either inexperienced workers, or fewer workers doing more.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:16 AM
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The evidence found at the crash site that convinced the FAA the grounding was necessary was the jackscrew. It was set for nose down, which was similar to Lion Air.

A person that listened to the tapes with ATC said the pilot sounded panicky as he asked for permission to return. So either he totally forgot his training on MCAS procedures or something else was going on.

nypost.com...

Meanwhile the French pilot union is warning of the danger of relying on too much automation, while pointing out that we don't have any solid information on what happened in this crash and should avoid jumping to conclusions.

www.flightglobal.com...
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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:20 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: ausername

They had to take experienced workers and move them to the 737 line when they tried to ramp up 737 production too high. That meant either inexperienced workers, or fewer workers doing more.


Those aircraft were supposedly thoroughly inspected before being delivered, seems the problems for Boeing are higher up the chain from workers. Like supervisors, management, inspectors etc.

The implications are kind of alarming, no?



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:23 AM
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Yes and no. I could tell stories about aircraft we got back from the Depot that would turn your hair white. But, the number of aircraft accidents related to those incidents is actually quite low compared to the number of aircraft that go through annually.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 10:38 AM
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There were 61 prepositioning flights yesterday. Boeing is allowed to continue test flights of production aircraft as well.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 11:11 AM
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I'm going to say two words "Union Labor".



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 12:09 PM
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Sully Sullenberger weighed in. He said that the Max needs a fix, and they aren't moving fast enough. He also said it's absolutely absurd that the First Officer only had 200 hours and was in the cockpit of a 737.


“It has been reported that the first officer on that flight had only 200 hours of flight experience, a small fraction of the minimum in the U.S., and an absurdly low amount for someone in the cockpit of a jet airliner,” he wrote.

“We do not yet know what challenges the pilots faced or what they were able to do, but everyone who is entrusted with the lives of passengers and crew by being in a pilot seat of an airliner must be armed with the knowledge, skill, experience, and judgment to be able to handle the unexpected and be the absolute master of the aircraft and all its systems, and of the situation,” Sullenberger continued.

The captain pointed out that “someone with only 200 hours” may not know what to do in an extreme emergency.

“Someone with that low amount of time would have only flown in a closely supervised, sterile training environment, not the challenging and often ambiguous real world of operational flying, would likely never have experienced a serious aircraft malfunction, would have seen only one cycle of the seasons of the year as a pilot, one spring with gusty crosswinds, one summer of thunderstorms,” he wrote.

Sullenberger concluded that airlines “have a corporate obligation not to put pilots in that position of great responsibility before they are able to be fully ready.” The pilot said pilot experience should be a “top priority at every airline” in wake of the recent tragedy.

www.foxnews.com...



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: twosquares
a reply to: ausername

If it's solar weather as the root cause, don't expect to hear it in the NYT.

That affected only one plane flying in the whole world???



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: Woody510

That seems to happen a lot. I used to see people claim that a plane crashed because of EMP that only affected it and not the 3 dozen other planes in the region.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Well you know that the EMP is aimed at the plane. You know the Bilderburgs are doing it, or is it Majestic-12, or is it the Rothschilds. Hell I don't know. Too many players in the game, hard to keep track of who's running the world this week. Wait! They were going to a conference on plastics, it had to be Big Oil.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 01:20 PM
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Inspections aren't often done by people very far up the food chain... Unless you've got problems. And then anybody and everyone heads down stairs randomly to try to see what the actual # is going on.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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I'd be more inclined to believe a ufo hit it than space weather targeting one plane in Ethiopia at 9000ft and ignoring every other plane and device around.



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: twosquares
They used a word that jumped at me with the 2nd plane. when the fix has been "certified" or something. That's a word a cryptographer could almost use. Is it vulnerable to EM attack? maybe

About the that up and down flight path... if we assume the pilot isn't controlling the plane, then autopilot is another possible navigator. You wouldn't think so because it's so erratic - but if the autopilot's algorithm was self correcting with too high of a gain... then it could produce that crazy flight path (WITH just the right range of initial conditions).

So far those are my favorite pet theories. this was the 2nd in a week so i'm also putting together the solar data



Being certified means it has to be tested and signed off by the overseeing agency, which would be the FAA in this case (in the US). They won't be just writing some new code, throwing it in there and seeing if it works using the pilots as beta testers. It might work in cars, can't do it in planes.
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posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 02:44 PM
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The joke was always "Those who can, maintain. Those who can't, transfer to QA."



posted on Mar, 15 2019 @ 02:44 PM
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