70 pc of Venezuela is w/o power for the last 4 hours Officials claim sabatage b4 national protests

a reply to: TheBandit795

I remember hearing that their supreme court upheld the actions by maduro.

originally posted by: TheJesuit
Wow just found this on twitter has MSM or anyone been reporting about this the whole country is in darkness that's a devious tactic used against the civilian population..... Doesn't the military over there run the power grid???


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To date, 17 people have died due to the power outages.
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OMG...Look what effect the power blackout is having in Venezuela hospitals!!

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originally posted by: TheBandit795
a reply to: projectvxn

An illegitimate dictatorship as of this year.

This is how it went: Maduro has no legal right to be president of Venezuela at the moment. A few years ago he created his own personal, unconstitutional version of parliament (national constituent assembly). That "legislative body" called for elections before Maduro's term ended, making those elections unconstitutional. Maduro won of course because the other political parties refused to run because of it being an unconstitutional election. Since there were no real elections, when Maduro's term ended recently the presidential seat became vacant. The real, constitutional legislative body, the National Assembly invoked article 233 (which means the president of the national assembly will be sworn in as interim president and must call for new elections). (My own words copied and pasted from a post I made last night on fb).

It's a pretty messed up situation. Say what you will about Trump, but at least he didn't create a whole new legislative body, specifically so he could sideline the legislature that's controlled by the opposition. All the people defending Maduro really should take a step back and try to imagine if something similar had occurred in our country. The insanity would dwarf even the political madness that's happening today.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Blaine91555

he end result of socialism is rationing and a barely functional infrastructure

The end resulult of capitalism growth on a limited planet is that we end up with a destroyed biosphere. Try to keep things in perspective. They are both failed systems.

Well, you admit socialism is a failed idea anyway. Even if you feel it necessary to go off topic in a thread about Venezuela and it's infrastructure to push an environmental activist agenda.

We should probably stick to the topic of this thread, which is Venezuela's failing infrastructure caused by a socialist dictator.

I will point out though, that it's the capitalist countries that are doing the most for the environment. No way around that. You should start your own thread on that subject. Remember, any country that has a free market is not socialist or communist. Even Russia and China have embraced capitalism which is a good thing for the environment. China's brown cloud is lessening more and more as they become more and more capitalist. Only a capitalist country has the resources to solve our environmental problems.

a reply to: Blaine91555

which is Venezuela's failing infrastructure caused by a socialist dictator.

What is the proof?

Russia and China have embraced capitalism

The citizens did not get your memo.

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
a reply to: TheBandit795

I remember hearing that their supreme court upheld the actions by maduro.

Sigh, do you have a link?

a reply to: UncleTomahawk



You can't help yourself can you.

What is your version of how Venezuela, that should be a wealthy country, went downhill so fast? What's the UncleTomahawk version of Venezuela's history?

There will be a pop quiz on Friday.

ETA since you edited -

You're not aware of the fall of the USSR and it being replaced with Russia's current system of capitalism? You don't know about China incorporating capitalism into it's system? You really need to catch up.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: UncleTomahawk

You can't help yourself can you.

What is your version of how Venezuela, that should be a wealthy country, went downhill so fast? What's the UncleTomahawk version of Venezuela's history?

There will be a pop quiz on Friday.

ETA since you edited -

You're not aware of the fall of the USSR and it being replaced with Russia's current system of capitalism? You don't know about China incorporating capitalism into it's system? You really need to catch up.

Ok I will leave our edits alone for another thread since you advised such would be best but if that thread appears you know i will input.....


I seen a post on here from ketsuko? outlining pretty well a possibility of what happened and it seemed to fit the time line although it does raise questions. It was said that fracking in the usa has declined their economy and i can imagine that the more the usa becomes energy independent the worse things will become for them.

Right now it is estimated that around 3 million migrants have left the country and it will likely get worse. It is key to remember that both of the two claiming to be president there are socialist so the thought that gweedo will change things is not founded in your reality that socialism is bad.

IMO It will take a real unfettered capitalist to get things running there so they are not so dependent on our purchases. We do not see unfettered capitalism anywhere in the world and we are all socialist. Possibly there could be a socialist government there that could make things work if it were not for greed. Castro done a decent job but greed and interference got the best of his economy.

They have been dependent on the usa and as we move away they will get worse off.

Now to the op i am a conspiracy theorist and do not believe in coincidences. It is too over the top for myself to believe that the failure of their grid is not the work of anti government forces. Likely done remotely by altering the distribution of electricity to over power certain sections causing failure due to too high demand vs output.

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
a reply to: TheBandit795

I remember hearing that their supreme court upheld the actions by maduro.

Sigh, do you have a link?

No i was going from memory but here is a video that may give you a clue to the fact maduro has the supreme court on lockdown so to speak. There was also a supreme court judge that defected to the usa around the election time.

a reply to: UncleTomahawk

Pure capitalism would be as bad as pure socialism. You are right pointing out Western democracies have elements of socialism incorporated into them. It's how it should be.

Cuba failed because it is under the rule of a Marxist dictator. Controlling the population includes keeping them poor so they can be easily controlled. Maduro has dreams of being just like Cuba with him being the dictator. If Maduro wins, the people of Venezuela have no hope.

Shutting off power is just another method of control. It does not take a genius to realize what's going on there.

Cutting off access to food and energy is a basic go to tool of Marxist dictators. That and buying the military's loyalty. It's no accident that at the same time he's blocking aid shipments for his own citizens, he also cuts off energy to flex his only remaining muscle.

a reply to: Blaine91555

Right now i can not really see the truth in the Venezuelan matter. I just know that coincidences do not exist and your original thought that the grid has failed due to socialism is not really that accurate. I think we both agree that either maduro or usa is responsible for this and not just an old outdated system failing on its own.

I was just hearing how the super markets are being looted. They reported that all the food in peoples fridge has spoiled.


I guess they really actually have a food crisis now. That put the myth that there was no food to bed.


They said the main hydro electric dam is out and not sure if it is lines or the turbines.

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
I was just hearing how the super markets are being looted. They reported that all the food in peoples fridge has spoiled.


I guess they really actually have a food crisis now. That put the myth that there was no food to bed.


They said the main hydro electric dam is out and not sure if it is lines or the turbines.

Maybe it's similar to what happened with the oil industry, where after Venezuela nationalized it they chased away all the foreign engineers who actually knew how to maintain the infrastructure. The predictable results followed, and now Venezuela's oil companies are basically moribund.

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
a reply to: TheBandit795

I remember hearing that their supreme court upheld the actions by maduro.

Yep, that supreme court is handpicked though.

www.hrw.org...

In 2004 Chávez and his legislative allies conducted a political takeover of the Supreme Court, filling it with government supporters and creating new measures that make it possible to purge justices from the court. In December 2010 the outgoing legislators from Chávez’s political party modified the timeline so they could make appointments before leaving office: they appointed 9 permanent justices and 32 stand-ins, including several allies. Since 2004, the court has largely abdicated its role as a check on executive power, failing to protect fundamental rights enshrined in the constitution.

www.bloomberg.com...

a reply to: UncleTomahawk

Just because some had food doesn't mean there was widespread availability like there is here. There is always a class that can afford to have something in most places. Widespread power loss is a great equalizer because now no one has anything unless they have private infrastructure like personal gas powered generators.

You see to be operating off the assumption that Venezuela is really just exactly like the US ... except in S. America. But there's a reason why it's not a first world nation and that's because it's still at the stage of emerging into a potential first world nation ... or at least it was, now it might have set itself back with this latest adventure in bad governance begun under Chavez and ending under Maduro.

You cannot rely on the press, either. I recall all the stories about how one of the things Chavez did was wage war on opposition press outlets until there were none left. So any Venezuelan press says what the government wants them to. And the US press has mainly ignored this story. They were pretty high on Chavez and Venezuelan socialism, so it wouldn't do to report on it falling apart. That doesn't fit the narrative ... you know, socialism is sharing and brings Utopia.

a reply to: ketsuko

War on press? Fake news media? The pictures i have seen lately show fully stocked stores being looted a bit and people being arrested for doing it. I do not see starving people being reported on much. When i hear glen beck say that the reason the power is out is because they did not know how to get fuel to the generators and he was serious i tend to believe that we are dealing with much propaganda.

We seem to be very much like them and much more than you want to admit. 4.57T upcoming budget proposed. We can not sustain this mess and we need to mind our own business more than we do. I am starting to be like mrs. obama a bit. I do not wear dresses but i am beginning to feel ashamed of our country and the people leading us.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
I was just hearing how the super markets are being looted. They reported that all the food in peoples fridge has spoiled.


I guess they really actually have a food crisis now. That put the myth that there was no food to bed.


They said the main hydro electric dam is out and not sure if it is lines or the turbines.

Maybe it's similar to what happened with the oil industry, where after Venezuela nationalized it they chased away all the foreign engineers who actually knew how to maintain the infrastructure. The predictable results followed, and now Venezuela's oil companies are basically moribund.

I think what you say here is a propaganda talking point.

I only say this because they still manage to sell us their oil.

If what you just claimed was true then we would have higher fuel prices here cause we get most of their oil.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
I was just hearing how the super markets are being looted. They reported that all the food in peoples fridge has spoiled.


I guess they really actually have a food crisis now. That put the myth that there was no food to bed.


They said the main hydro electric dam is out and not sure if it is lines or the turbines.

Maybe it's similar to what happened with the oil industry, where after Venezuela nationalized it they chased away all the foreign engineers who actually knew how to maintain the infrastructure. The predictable results followed, and now Venezuela's oil companies are basically moribund.

I think what you say here is a propaganda talking point.

I only say this because they still manage to sell us their oil.

If what you just claimed was true then we would have higher fuel prices here cause we get most of their oil.

I am not just saying this to be contrary and just a couple days ago i was under the same impression you just put forth but upon further thinking on the matter such talking point is not adding up.

a reply to: TheBandit795

Yep, that supreme court is handpicked though.

Yea it seems that is the way of most.

Ours is one or two justices away from such and there are many reading this that fully support it to the point of wishing for the death of rbg and the retirement of thomas.