70 pc of Venezuela is w/o power for the last 4 hours Officials claim sabatage b4 national protests

a reply to: AtlasHawk

The U.S. sanctions on individuals within the Venezuelan government started Dec 2014. Venezuela has been having issues long before that. At least since 2009 as far as I can remember.

Let me get this straight, Venezuela is out of power for a few hours and we need to invade.

How many months did it take for Puerto Rico to fully restore power?

Seriously a socialist government is like a giant umbrella. It forces all to gather beneath one umbrella, telling everyone they all will be safe from any storm. What happens? A lightning bolt strikes and anyone and everything under that umbrella suffers destruction. They are helpless.

Do you not see the wisdom of allowing private companies and individuals to each have their own umbrellas? A small percentage may get hit by a lightning strike and suffer...but the majority will not and they will actually be able to actually actively assist those few that do.

Venzuelan socialist government was zapped by a lightning strike due to sanctions...but those sanctions would not have hindered their country as much if they were not all under the one umbrella.

originally posted by: RKWWWW

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: AtlasHawk

Yeah, no one could ever want to protest a socialist government that gave the people hyper inflation and starvation..

Nope..It's all the CIA.

I heard that the CIA took over Maduro's brain and made him use the military to prevent humanitarian aid from being distributed to the starving citizens of Venezuela.

Hes been using food supplies to control his followers. Support him and he makes sure your family doesnt starve. This is why all this aid is a huge threat to his regime. Cant have all this free food crossing the border.

Fox has the news but cnn is in their orange man bad weekend ramp up.

State run utilitys are the best!!!
Yay socialism!

The usa should just end relations with them and be done. It is clear that our intervention is not helping the situation.

This juan guy is also a socialist too.

Ever since chavez dies things have changed there and us getting involved is not the answer.

Our main concerns there seem to be co cain and oil.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: AtlasHawk

Yeah, no one could ever want to protest a socialist government that gave the people hyper inflation and starvation..

Nope..It's all the CIA.

Yep, it probably is.

a reply to: teapot

I don't speak propaganda.

Stop going to bat for a socialist dictatorship.

Venezuela's problems stem from trying to make themselves into an OPEC petro-state.

They seized control of their oil industry, and joined OPEC. The state was inept at running the state-owned oil company and they put all of their eggs into that basket.

When the US ramped up its own oil production and Canada, OPEC drastically lowered prices to try to undercut both countries and destroy fracking and shale oil to keep their hold on the market. This pretty much destroyed the Venezuelan economy because OPEC had no consideration for the fact that all of Venezuela's economy was being propped up by petroleum at that point.

Things spiraled from there.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Let me get this straight, Venezuela is out of power for a few hours and we need to invade.

How many months did it take for Puerto Rico to fully restore power?

LOL not that I want an invasion either but this such a lousy analogy its got to be pointed out, dont think you are trying to funny either. Whether we do something or not is certainly up for debate, what shouldn't be up for debate is Maduro is holding resources and aid from the citizens of Venezuela. Its not a natural disaster its an individual despot clamping down on the population. Any reasonable person could see this boiling over into a humanitarian crisis affecting other nations if it isn't already.

Venezuela in chaos...

The propaganda -

Venezuela's disputed president Nicolas Maduro, meanwhile, blamed the blackout as an “electrical war” perpetrated by the United States without providing any proof, the latest sign of a dictator who’s losing the grip over the country.

Communications Minister Jorge Rodriguez echoed Maduro and said right-wing extremists are causing mayhem in the country at the behest of Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, a claim mocked by the senator on Twitter.

“My apologies to people of Venezuela,” he wrote in a tweet. “I must have pressed the wrong thing on the ‘electronic attack’ app I downloaded from Apple. My bad.”

The truth of it -

The electrical system – once the envy of Latin America – has suffered years of mismanagement that was exacerbated amid dwindling financial resources that made it difficult for the government to continue subsidize the people’s electricity bills.

The end result of socialism is rationing and a barely functional infrastructure. Socialist and Communists leaders become very adept at passing the buck. Very reminiscent of the fall of the former USSR, where at the end people could not even go to work as they had to stand in long lines taking hours just to get basic supplies. Multiple families had to merge and live together in one room apartments to get by.

Soon there is no longer any reason to even go to work. Worthless currency and nothing to buy with it or that anyone can afford. Next step is pseudo slavery with the government using meager handouts to control behavior and force people to bend to their will.

I only see two ways Venezuela can go. Become like Cuba where if you speak out you go to a political prison and you get by with things like fifty or sixty year old cars held together with bailing wire. Or... fight back and topple the dictator before his power becomes so insurmountable he can no longer be taken down.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Azureblue

If that's what happened in Venezuela, they did a craptastic job. No one wants to do business there because the government is prone to outright seizure of assets on a whim. You cannot make any money off that for any reason as a trans-national. You're prone to lose everything. If the purpose of that is to exploit for profit, there is none to be had.

perhaps their ambitions for Venezuela exceed making money. Perhaps there are things more valuable than short term profits.

Perhaps owning a country through the power of control has even bigger rewards?

As some advice on asset protection I read once said "controlling an investment can be better than owning it, that one does not have to own in order to control."

How many other countries in the world are effectively owned and controlled by the US? I don't know myself but the US still gets to plunder other countries resources even if they install a local govt. Look at Iraq.

Was the result of a different kind of hitman?

I see socialism as the cause of crumbling infrastructure. The socialist rulers cut funding to the oil industry, electrical industry, and likely other industries because socialists think money is better used elsewhere. Things seem to run ok for a while and when problems pop up, the finger pointing starts by the socialists in charge. Bernie Sanders and democrat socialists in this country always think they are better than other socialists in controlling other people's money. The end result is usually similar. Chaos and crumbling infrastructure. The socialist rulers probably ignored the electrical industry saying they needed funds to buy equipment. Now it looks like equipment has failed. I'm not sure why socialists in this country seem to get so much support.

Maybe the democrats are trying to exploit the great divide between the super rich and everyone else but I remember the AMT tax was set up I read only for the super rich and now it applies to parts of the middle class thanks to inflation. Hopefully we don't have hyperinflation and super high taxes for all here thanks to socialist supporters in this country. I like having infrastructure and power that works. Let's not be like Venezuela.

a reply to: orionthehunter

Democratic socialism, the dream of morons.

originally posted by: TheJesuit
Wow just found this on twitter has MSM or anyone been reporting about this the whole country is in darkness that's a devious tactic used against the civilian population..... Doesn't the military over there run the power grid???


twitter.com...

Regime change in occurrence. I love the smell of oil in the morning.

a reply to: Blaine91555

he end result of socialism is rationing and a barely functional infrastructure

The end resulult of capitalism growth on a limited planet is that we end up with a destroyed biosphere. Try to keep things in perspective. They are both failed systems.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: teapot

I don't speak propaganda.

Stop going to bat for a socialist dictatorship.

Are you dictating what I should think, say or do?

a reply to: teapot

Are you dictating what I should think, say or do?

Say and think what you want. But what you are doing is defending a socialist dictatorship against the people it is oppressing.

a reply to: projectvxn

An illegitimate dictatorship as of this year.

This is how it went: Maduro has no legal right to be president of Venezuela at the moment. A few years ago he created his own personal, unconstitutional version of parliament (national constituent assembly). That "legislative body" called for elections before Maduro's term ended, making those elections unconstitutional. Maduro won of course because the other political parties refused to run because of it being an unconstitutional election. Since there were no real elections, when Maduro's term ended recently the presidential seat became vacant. The real, constitutional legislative body, the National Assembly invoked article 233 (which means the president of the national assembly will be sworn in as interim president and must call for new elections). (My own words copied and pasted from a post I made last night on fb).