After a Slow steady Invasion Subversion and Collapse OF US Fed Gov What will the nu USA be called?

a reply to: dfnj2015

Shhhhh. The Red states consider that an advantage.

Will we have to get new license plates ?...

Im just wondering how many "old" laws will remain on the books or will it be lawless for a while ?? Because U gotta pay taxes right?

a reply to: Plotus

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: TheJesuit

There are 9 million people living in NJ. Everything seems find to me by NJ standards.

I would like to see blue states secede from the Union so our tax dollars don't get handed over to red states. It's funny how people who are the most outspoken against socialism benefit from it the most!!!

This argument is laughable. I notice the first 2 or so pages of your thoughts in a google search seem to support this idea. However you might notice that the maps they provide show a percentage of each states overall budget comes from federal money. However what they never say is the actual amount of dollars that go to each state from the fed.

For instance, in 2015 California received $376,460,378,665 from the feds. While my red state that you seem to believe just can't get by without DC received $61,689,584,836.

THere were 39 million people in california in 2015. So that amount (if it were spread this way but it isnt) each citizen of California 9,652 dollars a year from the rest of the nation.

There were 6 million citizens living in Missouri in 2015. So Missouri's amount per citizen is 10,281 dollars per person.

So here is where you go --- SEE SEE red states do get more!

First off let us understand where and how the money is divided. As in what can the feds make payments to states for.

It is these things:

Distribution of money to states by program
Salaries and wages: 9 %
Contracts: : 12 %
Grants: : 18 %
Retirement: : 34 %
Non Retirement: : 27 %

These things are defined because each state has different needs and in each state each tier has its highest and lowest states because each state is ACTUALLY different. I know that it is hard to believe, but populations of living human beings vary in their needs from place to place. Anyway here are the actual facts about that:

Non-Retirement Benefits Non-retirement benefits includes payments to individuals, including Medicare benefits, food assistance, unemployment insurance payments, student financial aid and other assistance payments. Medicare makes up a majority of this category. Non-retirement spending in the 50 states and D.C. totaled $930.1 billion in fiscal year 2015, equal to $2,898 per capita. That’s up from $900.6 billion in 2014. Non-retirement spending hit a 10-year peak in 2011 of $953 billion. Overall non-retirement spending was heavily dependent on population size: California was the highest ($107.4 billion) followed by Florida ($74.8 billion) and Texas ($71.5 billion). Non-retirement spending was the lowest in Alaska, North Dakota and Wyoming, which all had less than $2 billion in spending. On a per capita basis, federal non-retirement spending was highest in Florida ($3,693) and Mississippi ($3,394) and lowest in Utah ($1,848) and North Dakota ($2,134). Retirement Benefits Retirement benefits include payments to individuals, including Social Security retirement, survivor and disability payments; veterans’ benefits; and other federal retirement and disability payments. Social Security represents the lion’s share of this category. Retirement spending in the 50 states and D.C. totaled $1.15 trillion in fiscal year 2015, up from $1.1 trillion in 2014 and equal to $3,599 per capita. Retirement spending hit a 10-year peak in 2015. On a per capita basis, D.C. ($5,020), West Virginia ($4,894) and Alabama ($4,653) have the highest levels of retirement spending while Utah ($2,626), California ($2,844) and Texas ($2,913) had the lowest. The lowest levels of retirement spending went to the states with the smallest populations—Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming. Each had less than $3 billion retirement spending in 2015. Nearly one-third of all federal retirement spending went to four states: California, Florida, New York and Texas. Grants The grant category includes funding to state and local governments for programs such as health care, transportation, education and housing, as well as funding for individuals and other non-federal entities, such as research grants. Medicaid grants to states make up about half of this category. Grants in fiscal year 2015 to the 50 states and D.C. totaled $602.8 billion, equal to $1,878 per capita. That’s up from $586.8 billion in 2014. Grants hit a 10-year peak in 2009 at $661.2 billion. On a per capita basis, the District of Columbia received the most through grants in fiscal year 2015 ($12,872) followed by Alaska ($4,497) and Vermont ($3,308). Florida ($1,125) and Georgia ($1,184) received the least in grants per capita. Three states—North Dakota, South Dakota and Wyoming—received less than $2 billion in grants for the year. Four states—California, New York, Pennsylvania and Texas—collectively received more than 30 percent of all federal grants ($210.6 billion or 35 percent). Contracts This category includes contracts for the purchase of goods and services, including military spending. Defense purchases make up a majority of this category. Contracts in fiscal year 2015 to the 50 states and D.C. totaled $392.8 billion, equal to $1,224 per capita. That’s down from $404.4 billion in 2014. Contracts hit a 10-year peak in 2008 at $486 billion. Five states—Delaware, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming—each received $500 million or less in contracts in 2015. On a per capita basis, contract spending ranged from a low of $337 in Delaware and $355 in Oregon and Arkansas to a high of $28,980 in D.C., $5,819 in Virginia and $4,787 in Maryland. Two states—California and Virginia— together received more than one quarter of all federal contracts ($96 billion). Salaries and Wages This category includes all salaries and wages for federal employees. A majority of spending in this category is for civilians (about two-thirds) with the rest going to military personnel. Salaries and wages in fiscal year 2015 to the 50 states and D.C. totaled $310.5 billion, equal to $968 per capita. That’s up from $304.8 billion in 2014. Salaries and wages hit a 10-year peak of $312.7 billion in 2011. Three states have salaries and wages above $20 billion in 2015—California, Texas and Virginia. The District of Columbia also had outlays above $20 billion. Four states—Delaware, New Hampshire, South Dakota and Vermont—had less than $1 billion in salaries and wages. On a per capita basis, federal salaries and wages ranged from a low of $380 in Wisconsin and $429 in Iowa to a high of $32,755 in D.C., $4,160 in Hawaii and $3,482 in Alaska. Across these five categories, the biggest spending category was retirement (34 percent) followed by non-retirement (27 percent), grants (18 percent), contracts (12 percent), and salaries and wages (9 percent).

The above was taken from here:

knowledgecenter.csg.org...

So as you can see, the issue you speak of is vastly more complicated than democratic politicians, huffington, or even Google want to make it seem. The reality is that the Feds pay out to who they can based on variables present in each state.

hey do me a favor and move that wall towards the southern border please mmkayy!

Notice the talking points of the last few weeks in the MSM ? anyone... its clear we are being moved to this conclusion.

a reply to: TheJesuit

It wont be just one nation. It will be more than one and it wont really matter what they're called because they will go to war shortly after their creation and will end up United once again. And then it will just be called the United States of America again.

originally posted by: TheJesuit
hey do me a favor and move that wall towards the southern border please mmkayy!

Just annex the continent down to the Panama Canal and that can be our wall.

a reply to: TheJesuit

If we read the talk by Dr Day he gave to a group of other doctors entitled "everything is in place and no one can stop us now," then when the elite have finished re-engineering the world to their own design, there will be no (places as in country names), there will be no nations (accept Israel.)

All there will be is economic groupings based upon the '7 corners of the earth' For example the Americas will simply be known as the Americas economy just like in 'Europe" there will be no countries in Europe. Europe will be referred to as the European economy, Africa will the African economy, the pacific economy, the asian economy and so on.

The Abomination of Desolate States of America

a reply to: 3n19m470

I'm thinking that will be a conversation by 2024.

Well if you believe in the circular nature of governments. Then capitil8sm leads to socialism and socialism leads to communism. Then communism leads to totalitarianism which leads to revolution and back to capitalism we go.

The new CSA. Its a southern thing k? Except this time no slavery.

OH look ---- who says the Government aren't getting their que's from ATS??? lol ----Desensitization right here.... CRAZY theory ... NOPE it's already happening LOL


Break liberals' grip on New York by splitting state into 3 regions, Republican proposes

According to the outlet, the bill would create three regions, one including New York City and its boroughs, a second – dubbed the Montauk region – consisting of the downstate counties of Nassau, Suffolk, Rockland and Westchester, and the rest of the state named “New Amsterdam.”

www.foxnews.com...

New Palestine......... i know how amuricans love irony.

When less than 20K surviving "474 AD" Romans tossed out their Republic and made Odoacer, King of Rome, the Western Roman Empire disintegrated, and never has been put back together again. Their old Provinces like Iberia, became the Euro Nations that we know today.
Most of our Postage Stamp "States", are no more than Grand Masonic Lodges, so that they can be controlled by the central Grand Lodge in D.C. When the USA falls apart, a few anachronistic provances like Alaska, Cali, Hawaii, Florida, and maybe Texas, will go on, but the rest will crumble. Real old "Oregon" takes in British Columbia, and Alberta, so I doubt it can be resurrected. Montana should have stopped at the Continental Divide a few miles west of Helena, but it's still a backwater, governed by farmers. The State of Jefferson should have abutted the Divide west of Helena, but it was shot down to keep the Mormons from taking over southern Idaho. So our Panhandle won't stop this after the U.S.A. founders in it's debts.

The Goths under Odoacer and his descendants populated Euro Provinces with Royals so that something survived of Roman culture. French is half Latin, and half German. Germany is all Germanic. Briton is about a quarter Latin, while Spain is the result of the Reconquest, over the Arabs. 15th Cent. Spanish, is about half Arabic Script, as their Kings inherited a working Moorish bureaucracy in and around Seville.



Mexico will be the newbie Moorish Invaders of our future North America, and a lot will hinge on the return, vis a vis, Sewards' Folly treaty, with the Russians, of Alaska to either Putin or the heirs of the last Tsar, hidden out in Minn. by Jim Hill and J.P. Morgan Jr., circa 1920. Without this Tsarist Treaty's stipulations, the indigenous Alaskans would never have gotten a dime out of the Big Oil Companies on the North Slope. Due to loose language, any Alaskan resident meeting simple residency status, also shares in these yearly treaty disbursements.

My idea of a worst case scenario is Northern Mexico, reaching north of San Francisco, and meeting the Southern Border of Russian America, at a historical frontier, near the Russian River, and old Fort Ross, CA. Since NATO will try and help us towards this breakup, I can see Spain installing a Prince in this Reconquesta North of Mexico. Funny thing is that most Real Estate, up to the Redwoods, come down from Spanish Land Grants. About a third of those, farther to the North, come down from some Tsar's land grant, or other. Smallpox and the great Cascadia Earthquake/Tsunamis of 1700 AD rearranged these possessions in mere weeks. Russia retreated to Alaska, and Spain retreated, inland, to their old Spanish Missions on the El Camino Real.

If Oregon can survive, then the Northern Mexican border might be at the "Jeddidiah Crossing", somewhere where old I-5 crosses the Smith River Valley. A recent Longshoreman's' strike caused the big Asian Ocean Shippers to stop calling at the Port of Portland, Ore. so that in itself, has flummoxed Washington's Inland Sea, on the Columbia and Snake River's, water borne transportation. This didn't take a big Earthquake, Epidemics, or Tsunamis, but only some Commies in a Union, with the tacit backing of the Lefty politicos along the Oregon Coast. All of Al Gore's Global warming will only move tidewater about twenty miles East, up the Columbia River, and only lap a little higher at Bonneville Dam & Lock.

Without rails and barge traffic, most of the Inland Empire all the way to the Missouri River valley will become land locked, and at the mercy of Mexico, the revived South, and maybe a Russian Orthodox trans-Pacific State. In any case, Utah, will have to rejoin and embrace Southern Culture, which undoubtedly will not countenance being labeled with the demeaning term of "Gentile". This means that in a New South, these LDS may end up being the new "Darkies", with "No Mormons Apply" signs posted in the shop windows. But at least they are historically, north of the Mason Dixon Line, carried out to the Pacific, or the border with Northern Mexico/NATO, New Espana.

And last, but not least, there's that Yellowstone Caldera. Probably not in any worst case scenario, but enough of a blowup, to activate faults like the one which tore up, on May 18th, during the 1980 Mt. St. Helens eruption, down at Salt Lake City, Ut.