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Illegal US border crossings swell to 76,000 in February!

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posted on Mar, 7 2019 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
So, the courts have been illegally granting asylum to them?

Obviously, yes.

They ignore the fact that they are not qualified to even request asylum here, because it is not the first country they reached.


And, if a President writes up an executive order, and a judge rules against it (on legal grounds as allowed by the constitution).

Sorry, but when a judge unilaterally rules that a legitimate use of the Executive Poweris 'illegal', what that judge is doing is what is 'illegal', and it is the judge that should be disbarred and lose their judgeship.


Definition of the word 'legal' - Meriam Webster Dictionary

The definition makes specific mention of court of law but none of the office of the Presidency. Your definition of what constitutes something 'legal' does not accord with the rest of the world's definition.




posted on Mar, 7 2019 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: tanstaafl

It is us code 8 1158 you are looking for. It was linked ad nauseam in other threads. The jist of it is that it says anyone can claim asylum no matter how they crossed. The naysayers claim that it is illegal to cross the border but in that law it states unless otherwise directed by an official . The argument was made to scotus last december that 8 1158 is officially directing them to cross between ports.

It is a loophole and that 8 1158 also covers safe third countries.

The other issue comes from the flores decision that states they can only hold families for 20 days. So most looking for work bring a minor with them.

8 us code 1325 covers illegal crossings
8 us code 1125 covers asylum claims
reno v flores covers family units
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posted on Mar, 7 2019 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: InTheLight

I translated it into the narrative of the people crossing the border. Just do some of your own digging to find out what types of violence, political and gang, these people are fleeing from.


A crappy life with crime is not a reason to seek asylum and as I said with the rest of the world you go to the nearest country to get you out of the situation. What we have is a land bridge that most of the world doesn't have so there are many parts of the world in the same situation or worst, but they have water in the way if they wanted to come all the way to America. Having a land bridge to America even though you travel through many countries along the way why do you not see that is an issue here as to whether they are scamming the system or not?


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posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 12:09 AM
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originally posted by: ker2010
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We just need watch towers w/ photovolataics like light towers. They could be manned by inferometer x ray non lens inferometer drones from wind turbines on them Napoleon style. He had towers responsible with the Telegraph system. He wasn't all bad. No more than Trump. Drones of observation uplink loading to border security is all we need. That's the barrier..not another wall.
"Washington (AFP) - The number of undocumented immigrants stopped at the US border with Mexico soared to more than 76,000 in February, the highest monthly level in years, US Customs and Border Protection said Tuesday.

The number of families and unaccompanied children also rose to nearly two-thirds of the total, often crossing in large groups and turning themselves in to authorities to request asylum, blunting the Trump administration's tactics aimed at curbing the flow.

At 76,103, the number of people stopped at the border or detained after crossing was up sharply from the roughly 61,000 average for the previous three months, a surprising surge for what is usually a downturn in the coldest month of the year."


76,000 is who they apprehended imagine how many slipped through? This is an invasion plain and simple and is damn sure an emergency regardless of what our open border leftists ATS crowd says. Thats almost 1,000,000/year and they cant all be good people that's for damn sure.

Tell me, when does it become an emergency? at 100K, 500K, 1M?




posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 12:11 AM
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a reply to: LostGods

Also get them to residential processing units to determine criminality. Their dreamers are not effing bad.



posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 04:09 AM
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originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: ker2010

Your title is misleading, as these people are considered 'legal' asylum seekers.


There are other places to claim asylum. Before reaching the u.s.
They u.s. has the best free hand outs, so it's a pick and choose asylum, not emergency which makes the enitre thing illegal.

You cant weigh 200lbs and claim your are starving in your country. I've seen a lot of spandex about to stretch apart in those caravans.

All they are doing is making the claim for asylum a joke and ruining it for the legit claimers.

Any smart country would avoid this situation because it will only be a detriment.

Think a civilization game and why city walls are a must. If you want your civ to be the strongest, most secure, you.avoid this negative energy



posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 05:44 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: InTheLight

I translated it into the narrative of the people crossing the border. Just do some of your own digging to find out what types of violence, political and gang, these people are fleeing from.


A crappy life with crime is not a reason to seek asylum and as I said with the rest of the world you go to the nearest country to get you out of the situation. What we have is a land bridge that most of the world doesn't have so there are many parts of the world in the same situation or worst, but they have water in the way if they wanted to come all the way to America. Having a land bridge to America even though you travel through many countries along the way why do you not see that is an issue here as to whether they are scamming the system or not?



You didn't dig deeper.

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posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
Definition of the word 'legal' - Meriam Webster Dictionary

The definition makes specific mention of court of law but none of the office of the Presidency. Your definition of what constitutes something 'legal' does not accord with the rest of the world's definition.

If you can reword that into something relevant and intelligible, I'll respond...



posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
a reply to: tanstaafl

It is us code 8 1158 you are looking for. It was linked ad nauseam in other threads. The jist of it is that it says anyone can claim asylum no matter how they crossed. The naysayers claim that it is illegal to cross the border but in that law it states unless otherwise directed by an official.

Yes, all of these make it very plain that entering anywhere other than at a lawful port of entry is ILLEGAL.

So, apparently there are massive brain-dead loopholes that allow an illegal alien (an alien that entered the country unlawfully) to try to claim Asylum, but that is still subject to other laws - ie, the law that says they must make the claim within one year of their illegal entry, and the one that says they must make the claim in the first country they enter.


The argument was made to scotus last december that 8 1158 is officially directing them to cross between ports.

Based on this ridiculous loophole, I can see how that argument could be made.


It is a loophole

Agreed, and, like the ridiculous anchor baby loophole, one that needs to be closed, like, NOW.



posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 09:57 AM
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a reply to: ker2010

Look what Big Data did to you: undocumented = illegal.



what our open border leftists ATS crowd says.


The cuteness invasion in yet another appeal to fear and lobotomy. But you wont get my drift anyway, why bother?

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posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: tanstaafl

Remember you are not really arguing with myself on this issue. I am just stating what the scotus has ruled and what has always been the case on the border until current potus got in and has tried to circumvent the law and accepted interpretation via executive order.

Since the congress and senate were both majorly held by the republicans and they took no proper and legal steps to change the laws we can assume that potus is just using this issue as red meat for his base.

Think about this. The vast majority of the people crossing between ports are turning themselves in promptly and most of them would not break the law. They are mainly migrants looking for work cause their economies have failed.

Since potus and both parties have pushed for this problem to continue without changing the law we can assume they are steering us toward the desire to have a wall.

We would not need a wall if the law did not allow them to cross between ports legally and since they are not criminals and would be arrested if they crossed if the law allowed therefore we can reasonable assume the people would stop coming in vast numbers like now.




Is the wall to keep them out or to keep us in?

Sure most americans do not have many reasons to leave right now but think about all the proposals on the table right now like gun confiscation and forced vaccinations..........total government control and the destruction of the rural way of life. That is historically what happens to nations like ours. We lose our way of life in favor of the city life.



posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: InTheLight

You didn't dig deeper.



Once again that is not why they are coming here as they could choose any number of closer countries than come all the way north. It is for monetary reasons they come here since our poorest is still higher than they are. There is 4 billion more just like them in the world what about them?



posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: InTheLight

You didn't dig deeper.



. There is 4 billion more just like them in the world what about them?


We are supposed to let all 4 billion in thus creating a country as bad as where they came from thus allowing ALL of us to suffer the same fate.

Illogical huh? Not to people like InTheLight.



posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: InTheLight

You didn't dig deeper.



Once again that is not why they are coming here as they could choose any number of closer countries than come all the way north. It is for monetary reasons they come here since our poorest is still higher than they are. There is 4 billion more just like them in the world what about them?


Just giving you the historical facts, if you can't accept it, then we are done here.

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posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 12:56 PM
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I would like to know what that is costing our country to house and feed those 76,000 people a month? I estimate $30,400,000 for just those 76,000 new people per month. Multiply by 12 to get the whole big picture. Incredible. I think these people should stay and work on their own countries problems. TV commercials in these countries discouraging people to travel to USA should be bought and paid for immediately. It is an invasion. Doing nothing for the wall is financial and social stability suicide for the whole country. These people are like the Vikings.



posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: frugal

Who's idea was it to give them food and house? Who's idea was it to hold them captive as long as possible? The same person that claimed over and over again that a wall would stop them. They have found areas of the wall that is inside the usa and now they just walk to the wall on the mexican side and claim asylum in the usa without ever climbing the wall.

This is starting to look like an attempt by some to create income for corporations who are housing these people. Another government scam just like the corporate prison systems.



posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
Think about this. The vast majority of the people crossing between ports are turning themselves in promptly and most of them would not break the law.

Ummm... sorry, but that is just your opinion, there is simply no way to prove it, and I somehow doubt its veracity.


They are mainly migrants looking for work cause their economies have failed.

Prove it? How many immediately go on welfare, and stay there for how long?

One thing that should also be done immediately is make it unlawful for any illegal immigrant to receive any welfare, whether local, state or federal.

If privately funded charities (churches, etc) want to help, that is fine, but not one stolen tax dollar should ever be spent on someone who is here illegally, other than the cost to ship them back where they came from.


Since potus and both parties have pushed for this problem to continue without changing the law we can assume they are steering us toward the desire to have a wall.

We would not need a wall if the law did not allow them to cross between ports legally and since they are not criminals and would be arrested if they crossed if the law allowed therefore we can reasonable assume the people would stop coming in vast numbers like now.

Is the wall to keep them out or to keep us in?

Sure most americans do not have many reasons to leave right now but think about all the proposals on the table right now like gun confiscation and forced vaccinations..........total government control and the destruction of the rural way of life. That is historically what happens to nations like ours. We lose our way of life in favor of the city life.

While I understand your argument, it just doesn't make sense to me. There are many other ways to leave, the wall wouldn't be contiguous, and if people did decide that southward bound was a good idea, I don't see most american troops being willing to fire on families that are simply choosing to leave.

A much more plausible explanation for Repubs not doing anything about it when they could is due to laziness/apathy/



posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: ker2010

We are supposed to let all 4 billion in thus creating a country as bad as where they came from thus allowing ALL of us to suffer the same fate.

Illogical huh? Not to people like InTheLight.



Well their logic doesn't go as far as to open their own house to 20 of them if they are so incline to accept the very poor around the world.



posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: InTheLight

Just giving you the historical facts, if you can't accept it, then we are done here.



Sure I'll accept it, a great book to read on a lot of all this is called The Confessions of an Economic Hit Man... It still doesn't give a reason for them to come here outside of monetary desires... They want a better life and they have a land bridge to the richest country in the world. I get it, but so are 4 to 5 billion others in the world with the same desires without a land bridge, but for some reason these people get a special pass? Legal immigration is great and we have more legal immigrants in out nation than any other time in our history. We also need seasonal workers, but what we don't need is 15 to 20 million illegals costing us 100 billion a year past whatever taxes they pay. We don't need the crime too that in many cases is identity thief that can ruin people's credit for decades, so on and so on...



posted on Mar, 8 2019 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: tanstaafl

The proof that they are not criminals is the fact that they are surrendering to border officials.

A criminal would just keep going but these people surrender knowing they will be held captive for as long as possible.

Asylum seekers are not eligible for benefits like snap but those granted asylum are.

Never underestimate the desires of government and how they herd us. I suspect that if we were to build a continuous wall then canada would do the same. They have the right to and we could not stop it.

Currently most americans are not free to leave and go anywhere unless you get permission from uncle sam. The walls are already in place and now attempts to harden them are going forth.



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