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reply posted on 1-3-2005 @ 11:13 PM by clearmind
once again my 2.5 cents......in my time in law enforcement..we held dozens of known illegal aliens....we put in the 'proper' forms to have them deperted...and a few months later..they might leave. the vast majority would spend 6-12 months in the AMERICAN tax payers care..... it is expensive to have prisinors transported..... every month we would get to 'host' a couple of dozen or so heading back to to the mother land..mexico. the tax payer has been feeding them, clothing them and funding thier incarceration for a few months. and guess what..for about 50%..it wasn't thier first time. huhhhhh..'magine that.
and guess what ( again) most seem to have been caught because who ever they were with was pulled over and the cops ran their ID.... or lack of ID. so when the pole-leaz say they want to make it easier to stop vehicles and "run' the id of the occupents..... .........think about it..when is the only time the pole-leaz can stop and question you ..without a legal reason. ( oh, stop it..i know what you are thinking..they can't do that!!! spend some years in law enforcement and then say that
) TRAFFIC stops!!!!! let me repeat that for the cheap seats...TRAFFIC STOPS! it is the only time when a cop can stop you ..just because....a state trooper once told me that there are 200+ reasons a cop can stop a car and his job was to know every one of those reasons........

'in the name of illegal aliens' seems to be becoming a phrase worthy of ...'in the name of saftey' or in the 'name of the war on terrorism' ...soon instead of 'we can not devulge that info because of national security'....it will be (also) 'we can not devulge that info because of national immigration'..
"....thier fingerprints are hidden by control...."


reply posted on 2-3-2005 @ 01:06 AM by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


That is the worst analogy ever. The people coming over the border pose absolutely no threat to myself or my family.

A better analogy would be a me deciding to exterminate every ant in the grass in my garden because they were "on my property".



Id have to disagree with you there. The swarms of illegals crossing the US Mexican border DO pose a grave threat to the safety of many Americans along those borders. Car Jackings, assaults, rapes, armed robberies, and theft by illegals committed against American citzens is very high. Lets not even mention the Mexican army firing at border agents covering for drug runners slipping over the border, plus drug dealers themselves and the violence they often cause, illegal aliens DO pose a safety risk to the citizens of this country. And there are the even more long term problems: diseases illegals might carry from their own coutnries that turn into small but serious epidemics, illegals themselves getting hit and killed on busy freeways while running across the roads, or causing accidents while doing so.

I do however disagree with Horacid's solution: robot machine guns. Thats just silly, impractical, ineffecient, and dangerous. I do believe that walls and razor wire should be set up along the border, but the best defense I think would be to pull our troops out of foreign countries and use them to guard our own border. Robot machine guns simply are not right. For instance, shooting pregnant women and kids would be wrong, even if they are illegally crossing. Robotic machiens cannot mtell the difference, and would shoot with discrimination. However, human soldiers, armed ones, could make the distinction, and instead of shooting a pregnant woman or kids, they could pursue and capture them. The only people that should be shot are armed drug runners or criiminals who are posing an immediate threat. i also think any Mexican army unit who fires at us should be blasted away with extreme prejudice.

Any illegal seized crossing the border should be caught, entered into a database, rounded up, and sent back uncerimoniously to Mexico. There is NO reason for illegal immigration from Mexico. Visa's. passports, and green cards are so friggin easy to get, and are alot cheaper than the cost to pay human smugglers to sneak you across, that one must question the intent of illegal border crossers.

But Horacids idea is pretty much an insult to efficency, common sense, basic human morality, and efectiveness.


reply posted on 2-3-2005 @ 02:52 AM by mwm1331
Originally posted by curme
Why are people always so concentrated on the symptoms of problems? Is it because it's easier? Maybe some people just aren't problem solvers. They are the kind who want the death penalty, but don't want the social programs or to try to change the conditions that would have prevented the crime in the first place. If we have a problem with illegal immigration, we have to treat the reasons why they want to come, not just the fact that they are. Obviously it's economic reasons. It would be far cheaper to invest and try to raise Mexico's standard of living with economic policies, rather than incarcerate or kill them. Tell patriotic company's like Nike or Walmart to pay a living wage in Mexico. That will help stem the flow.


Curme this dribble you have spouted represents everything wrong with Amerca today in my none too humble opinion. Rather than enforcing the laws of this nation, you feel we should "understand why the illegals are coming here" and "help mexico economically"
Well bull-#ing-# I dont care why they are breaking our laws, I dont care what the motivation is, Mexico is not cuba, a naton with a criminally opressive regime, it is not a war torn naton like haiti, and there is absolutly no excuse for someone to enter my country illegally. I am sick to death of panty waisted, limp wristed, wolly minded, liberal, self lothing, touchy feely, mama to the world wanna bes, taking my hard earned money and spending on the healthcare, social services, and support for criminals who have no #ing right to be here under our own laws.
Enough is enough. Thier first act in this country is to break our laws, evade the proper authorities, and sneak across our border like thieves in the night, then they apply for free healthcare, free educaton for thier children, drivers licsenses, what next you wanna letem vote too? The mexican government is publishing pamphlets on how to invade America safely for God's sake. That is an act of war
Curme thank god the right party is finally in office, they sure as hell aint perfect, but at least, unlike you and yours, they aren't trying to destroy America from within.


reply posted on 4-3-2005 @ 08:01 AM by DrHoracid
Originally posted by soficrow

You may find some answers here:

Patriot Act II


OK "sweetie" dense today. How does Pat-Act redux affect illegals in Zone-Ahhhh. I can't wait for this one...

{smoochie}
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