I Don't Think Many Swedes Believe Muslims Are Peaceful And Tolerant People

originally posted by: andy06shake


22% of the rest of the world is not coming to get you.

Maybe you are right all the same, i mean look how close the likes of Iran has put their country to your military bases? LoL

You need to understand people are not talking about whether the Middle East wants to kill the west as much as their culture is extreme in many cases. Do you find it OK to have sex with boys on Thursday because you can get cleansed on Friday, or killing your daughter because she doesn't listen to you, or rape women because it is your right as a man to do? Across the middle East we see very extreme cultures and when they immigrate to the west they bring the good and the bad of their cultures with them with zero desires to change because much of their religion is embedded into their culture.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I grew up living right next door to Muslims, went to school with them, knew there Mums, Dads, Grandparents, who were proper immigrants, none of them ever perpetrated the acts of depravity that you describe, at least in this nation.

A few arranged marriages all the same, some of which ended in tears, others that are still going, but no little boys getting beasted or woman treated any worse than quite a few white folks do around these here parts.

I'm not suggesting what you are saying does not happen in other nations but in our own, if found to be doing anything like you say, they are prosecuted under the law of the land of our respective nations.

Like i said people are people, religion is where the fault lies, quite simple and perfectly illustrated for anyone who cares the look.

a reply to: Xtrozero

"Outside of robotics and automation how many jobs do you think will remain for humans to do?"

That would depend on how many wars they are called on to fight in i suppose.

The future sure don't seem to bright, but its not Islamic nether.

Unless Islam are the banker's corporations and 1%ers.

originally posted by: andy06shake

I grew up living right next door to Muslims, went to school with them, knew there Mums, Dads, Grandparents, who were proper immigrants, none of them ever perpetrated the acts of depravity that you describe, at least in this nation.

I spent a couple of years in the Middle East and though I have zero issues with western Muslim culture, it is vastly different than the actual Middle East, so your example might not be the best as to what we are seeing with young adult males fresh out of country and dumped into ours.

I don't believe religious people in general are tolerant people.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Facts aren't exactly your strong suit...

Is that so? Care to point out how those sources i provided are wrong?... Or is it that you can't accept facts yourself?

originally posted by: ScepticScot
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And let's not forget that the whole story of Jesus starts with God raping a 12 year old.

God did not rape Mary. She was a virgin... But go ahead and keep on trying to normalize rape... It says more about you than it says about Christianity.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Jesus himself didn't seem to adverse to a spot of violence.

Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.'

That isn't a reference to violence... It is a reference to how even people in the family of those who would follow Christ would turn against the followers of Christ. If you read the passages before, and after you would know what he was talking about.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Why do Islamophobes continue to use the same garbage that has been debunked numerous times and that what they are reading is not actually the Quran but cherry picked verses used to vilify a religion or they only look for information that confirms their bias without fact checking because they have already made up their minds about what it is and what it stands for.

Any one who says the Quran advocates terrorism obviously hasn't read its lessons on violence

The Quran requires that you read it in full. No “cafeteria Quran” here. As Quran 3:8 says, “We believe in it, the whole is from our Lord.” Isis and Islamophobes instead cherry pick.

The truth about Muhammad and Aisha

Innocence of Muslims repeated the claim Muhammad was a paedophile, but the story is more complex and interesting than that

Although most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters, those who accept this saying argue that since the Qur'an states that marriage is void unless entered into by consenting adults, Aisha must have entered puberty early.

They point out that, in seventh-century Arabia, adulthood was defined as the onset of puberty. (This much is true, and was also the case in Europe: five centuries after Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, 33-year-old King John of England married 12-year-old Isabella of Angoulême.) Interestingly, of the many criticisms of Muhammad made at the time by his opponents, none focused on Aisha's age at marriage.

According to this perspective, Aisha may have been young, but she was not younger than was the norm at the time. Other Muslims doubt the very idea that Aisha was six at the time of marriage, referring to historians who have questioned the reliability of Aisha's age as given in the saying. In a society without a birth registry and where people did not celebrate birthdays, most people estimated their own age and that of others. Aisha would have been no different. What's more, Aisha had already been engaged to someone else before she married Muhammad, suggesting she had already been mature enough by the standards of her society to consider marriage for a while. It seems difficult to reconcile this with her being six.

In addition, some modern Muslim scholars have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the saying, or hadith, used to assert Aisha's young age. In Islam, the hadith literature (sayings of the prophet) is considered secondary to the Qur'an. While the Qur'an is considered to be the verbatim word of God, the hadiths were transmitted over time through a rigorous but not infallible methodology. Taking all known accounts and records of Aisha's age at marriage, estimates of her age range from nine to 19.

Because of this, it is impossible to know with any certainty how old Aisha was. What we do know is what the Qur'an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse. As the living embodiment of Islam, Muhammad's actions reflect the Qur'an's teachings on marriage, even if the actions of some Muslim regimes and individuals do not

originally posted by: andy06shake
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Like i said people are people, religion is where the fault lies, quite simple and perfectly illustrated for anyone who cares the look.

Who is to forget, because "atheists" have no history of violence right?... Oh wait, communists were originally atheists, and they forced religious people to stop worshiping... Those same atheists were responsible for the murder of over 110 million people, and millions more put in prisons... and that's not even counting the deaths in battle... Atheists are the people who have brought more death, and suppression than all religions combined...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Atheists are not the problem and neither is the belief in a creator, the problems arise from organized religious practice.

You should probably also realize that throughout the history of the Soviet Union there were periods where authorities praised and supported various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on State interests.

Swings and roundabouts you see.

Just a thought, but as to prison populations, I'm afraid America does not really do much better with 2.3 million people being incarcerated in US federal and state prisons and county jails sometimes for the most trivial of crimes, down to the likes of your 3 strike system, most of them being black and outnumbering whites by rather a significant percentage.


How many Westboro Baptist atheists have you come across causing chaos?

Should probably add im not an atheist per-say, I'm on the fence, just like everyone else if truth be told.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Never been to the Middle East myself, but the fact is those people are none of our concern, and as far as i can determine the thread is about Muslims in western nations, Sweden to be precise.

I ken the Muslims in my own area and community just fine all the same.

And they are not the problem.

Maybe if we were to stop bombing the poor bastards in the Middle East and destroy their existence from our far off ivory towers.

They might play nice rather than simply breed the next generation of terrorist scum, just a thought.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Atheists are not the problem and neither is the belief in a creator, the problems arise from organized religious practice.
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Wrong again... I could give you many examples in which "atheists" caused atrocities against religious and capitalist people as well.

Just use your search engine and search for "Red Terror." If you want to read about one specific case in which atheists of various left-wing groups that committed atrocities look for "Spain Red Terror..."

Every "left-wing" group who participated in those atrocities were "atheists," which it is why they murdered priests, and destroyed religious figures and churches.

The Red Terror in Spain (Spanish: Terror Rojo)[3] is the name given by some historians to various acts of violence committed from 1936 until the end of the Spanish Civil War "by sections of nearly all the leftist groups".[4][5] News of the rightist military coup in 1936 unleashed a social revolutionary response, and no republican region escaped revolutionary and anticlerical violence, but it was minimal in the Basque Country.[6] The violence consisted of the killing of tens of thousands of people (including 6,832 [7] members of the Catholic clergy, the vast majority in the summer of 1936 in the wake of the military coup) as well as attacks on landowners, industrialists, and politicians as well as the desecration and burning of monasteries and churches.
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Red Terror (Spain)

There were many other "Red Terrors" in which atheistic socialists or communists committed atrocities against religious people, as well as capitalists...

To this day there are nations that are very atheistic, China for example, and they keep committing atrocities and represion against religious people...

Deny ignorance, don't embrace it...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Deny ignorance by a leap of faith towards invisible omnipotent sky gods who will punish me for all eternity should i be in disagreement or not do as they command, and yet apparently love us all unconditionally!

How's that one work out if you dont mind me asking? LoL

Deny ignorance indeed. LoL

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So it's not just the nasty evil Muslims but also fearful red communists that are coming to get us??? LoL

The world must be a really scary place for some.

Others just get on with there existence and attempt to treat people as they find them.

originally posted by: andy06shake
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Maybe if we were to stop bombing the poor bastards in the Middle East and destroy their existence from our far off ivory towers.

They might play nice rather than simply breed the next generation of terrorist scum, just a thought.

Wrong again... in these forums we had a thread, years ago, in which Osama was interviewed and he stated that even as they were helping the Americans fight the Russians, the Mujahideen were planning on how to attack the west already, including the U.S.

The first large wars the U.S. had to fight, the Barbary Wars, were against the Muslim nations in northern Africa because they lived off piracy, just like their prophet Mohammed was a raider, attacking all merchant ships traveling from Europe to the U.S.

At first the Founding Fathers thought that paying the ramson for the people captured by the Muslim pirates would resolve the problems, but it never did.

When Thomas Jefferson and John Adams asked the Muslim ambassador why were they attacking merchant ships when the U.S. hadn't done anything to them, the ambassador responded:

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It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.
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www.oxfordislamicstudies.com...

You need to educate yourself on history.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"You need to educate yourself on history."

And you would probably have me do so by way of reading a Bible i suppose? LoL

History clearly shows what we are all about. It's not the Muslims that are attempting to rule the world, that's us.

And we do, or at least the bankers and 1%ers sure do and have done since time immemorial.

Tell me this how many world wars have Muslims started?

How many nations have they nuked in anger again?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Xtrozero

Never been to the Middle East myself, but the fact is those people are none of our concern, and as far as i can determine the thread is about Muslims in western nations, Sweden to be precise.

I ken the Muslims in my own area and community just fine all the same.

And they are not the problem.

Maybe if we were to stop bombing the poor bastards in the Middle East and destroy their existence from our far off ivory towers.

They might play nice rather than simply breed the next generation of terrorist scum, just a thought.

I think we are talking about immigrants from the Middle East, not western mindset Muslims...lol

a reply to: Xtrozero

Well, i have to say, most immigrants i have come across, come to our respective nations to get away from the likes of Sharia law following oppressive regimes.

And a lot of these immigrants from the Middle East, these days, are refugees down to the bombs we drop on their heads or sell to others to do so.

Far as i can determine anyway.

The simple fact is.

If we bomb them they will come.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: ScepticScot
that isn't anything to do with the religion of the migrants.

Religion and culture can go hand in hand. As example, if your religion or culture sees beating woman or raping women not associated with your religion as a proper thing to do then it really doesn't matter what the motivator is, does it? If you feel killing your daughter because she takes on western ideals is within your rights then once again it really doesn't matter what fuels this, only that it happens. I'm not going argue why these immigrants are the way they are, but they have created some serious issues in a place, by your own words, was once one of the best places on earth to live.

Is still one of the best places in the world to live.

Sweden used to be the best the places in the world to live. Now that Sweden is experiencing this demographic nose dive i wouldn't be using the word best.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: ScepticScot
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And let's not forget that the whole story of Jesus starts with God raping a 12 year old.

God did not rape Mary. She was a virgin... But go ahead and keep on trying to normalize rape... It says more about you than it says about Christianity.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Jesus himself didn't seem to adverse to a spot of violence.

Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.'

That isn't a reference to violence... It is a reference to how even people in the family of those who would follow Christ would turn against the followers of Christ. If you read the passages before, and after you would know what he was talking about.

Mary was probably 12 when God knocked her up. If we are applying modern standards to historical (cough) events that sounds a pretty rapey to me.

How you get that pointing that out is normalizing rape says way way more about you.

And yes I am well aware that you need to read to the context of he was saying. Almost like cherry picking quotes out of religious book is misleading...