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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: dfnj2015
God is said to be 'ALL knowing'.
Look right now to what is knowing (aware of) these words.
Notice that the knowing presence never actually apears to be seen..... could anything appear outside the knowing space?
All that appears is passing... it comes and goes......... What does not pass is the aware space in which the appearance comes and goes in.
The aware space often gets overlooked........ because it doesn't appear to be some thing.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: dfnj2015
Many years ago I worked out this summary of his argument;
1; There must be a Greatest Conceivable Entity (GCE).
2; Obviously we can imagine a GCE (we did that in the first stage), which settles the existence of an imaginary GCE.
3; But what is real is greater than what is imaginary, so a real GCE must be greater than an imaginary GCE.
4; Therefore there must be a real GCE.
The ontological argument rests on something being "conceivable", so trying to understand whether it works will "do your head in", as they say in London.
I've always thought that the big flaw from the viewpoint of Biblical theism is that it doesn't actually prove enough to be useful.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Elcabong
Only if you are actually defining God as "greatest conceivable cat". The definition is Anselm's starting point.
Without that definition, all you are proving is that there is a greatest conceivable cat, and that result is even less useful than Anselm's version.