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Pros and Cons on open borders.....

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posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 11:03 AM
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Why would people want to come here if there are no government benefits?

The wall is just protection for your welfare state.




BTW Has anyone tried to leave the country recently? It is not as easy as many people think and only certain citizens are eligible to leave.

Unless you own a sea worthy boat or can afford an airline ticket and are authorized by your government to leave then your ass is stuck with me.

If you do not love it you likely can not leave it.
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posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: Bloodworth

Less inbreeding is another pro...
people have been migrating to England for a long time but we have such a high population density now that it's making it harder every day to find work. It's the religions people also bring with them as well as the 10-50 children they birth under our NHS that is slowly turning the UK into hell.

I could add a dozen more Cons

Close the borders and fix the economy!



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 11:07 AM
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Yes I do because I lack the compassion required to put myself at risk of being robbed or worse. Sometimes when I forget to lock my truck in a accidental fit of compassion I end up loosing all the change in my cup holder. Just doing my part as a caring human being I guess.



a reply to: SammyB0476


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posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: vonclod
When I think of a wall like that, I keep ending up thinking about East Germany/Iron Curtain
The Berlin Wall was to keep people in. We are trying to keep illegals out. There is a huge difference.
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posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: UncleTomahawk

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Bloodworth

If you do not have borders then you do not have a sovereign nation.

Pretty straight forward.



We have had borders and a seemingly sovereign nation for centuries without walls.

Orange man confused.

#alzheimer's


And until recently we also upheld our immigration laws, did not incentivize illegal aliens to come in and we were just fine without a southern border wall.

Not to confuse you, but times have changed.

We adapt or die, like every other nation does.

I already know what side you are on...




posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 11:14 AM
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Another pro.



Claustrophobia




posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Bloodworth

If you do not have borders then you do not have a sovereign nation.

Pretty straight forward.



We have had borders and a seemingly sovereign nation for centuries without walls.

Orange man confused.

#alzheimer's


And until recently we also upheld our immigration laws, did not incentivize illegal aliens to come in and we were just fine without a southern border wall.

Not to confuse you, but times have changed.

We adapt or die, like every other nation does.

I already know what side you are on...



I do not think it is as bad as you let on. This issue is not gonna kill us any faster than the normal death rates.


It is not hard to understand that if the problem everyone wants to deal with is people crossing the border and claiming asylum then the proper way to stop that is not by walling in the citizens but by making it illegal to cross and claim asylum.

People would not climb or walk across any border if it was illegal to do so.

People are disconnected from reality on this issue.

It would be equivalent to walling in your property then telling folks they can climb your wall and come in.



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: vonclod
When I think of a wall like that, I keep ending up thinking about East Germany/Iron Curtain


That wall was built to keep the citizens in thier communist Utopia... so they couldn't escape to the evil capitalist side.




posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: vonclod
When I think of a wall like that, I keep ending up thinking about East Germany/Iron Curtain


That wall was built to keep the citizens in thier communist Utopia... so they couldn't escape to the evil capitalist side.



So walls are communist.

Who would have seen that one coming?

I believe that indeed by definition walls are communist and that fits in well with all the red hats running around.



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 11:29 AM
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The reason I ask is because as most of the comments show.

Open borders is not really that logical

And we have very popular candidates that may not openly call for open borders. But will completely ignore the issue which is the same thing.

Some , like Obama may even encourage showing up to the border and make the attempt.

I also wanted to ask if there is ever too much?

Ever a period that over population, lack of jobs and resources become a reality?
A time when illegal and legal immigration can no longer be sustained?



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: UncleTomahawk

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: vonclod
When I think of a wall like that, I keep ending up thinking about East Germany/Iron Curtain


That wall was built to keep the citizens in thier communist Utopia... so they couldn't escape to the evil capitalist side.



So walls are communist.

Who would have seen that one coming?

I believe that indeed by definition walls are communist and that fits in well with all the red hats running around.


A bit of a stretch there, considering the socialist leanings of the Democrat party...

However, it did prove that walls worked.

But you already knew that... you were just trying for some humor but don't seem to have the talent for it.



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari



If you do not have borders then you do not have a sovereign nation.


True in a sense. But truthfully, what you have going on in the US is condition of slowly eroding national sovereignty in the sense that the current immigration rate far exceeds the capacity to assimilate the newcomers.

The corollary to that is that as the assimilation rate is overwhelmed, you have a situation in which the "legacy" population, i.e., the people who are third, fourth, eighth generation citizens feel ever more disconnected from the US as a nation state and as that happens, they become ever more skeptcal of the legitmacy of "rule" of the US goverment. That phenomenon is balkanizing the society.

I used to be an ardent supporter of strong borders and strict immigration laws but I have basically just given up on the issue.....its simply too late. Check the names of authors of stories at MSM outlets like CNN, WaPo, the NYT? More foreign names than typical US names. And that serves to undermine the authenticity of the MSM.

The whole issue is a lost cause.



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: Bloodworth

Our populations are not dwindling. They may be undergoing a slight contraction but it's what the market dictates. I thought there were too many people anyway. If these third world countries keep cranking out babies at a rate of eight per family and we keep subsidizing them through open borders and aid programs, we're going to have a lot more problems than overcrowded schools. Think global food and fresh water shortages. Imagine the U.S. and Canada going to war over claim to the Great Lakes.



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk

At the core of this issue, you almost appear to support national sovereignty through the act of selective association. But you think the wall is a farce because it is ultimately not much of a deterrent in the grand scheme of things.

How about another way of viewing the subject. Wouldn't it be better to fully support the wall and hope it gets completed as soon as possible? When that is out of the way, then we can start concentrating on the real issues of illegal immigration and to establish loudly and proudly selective association. Almost like it should have been considered a human right all along.

If the wall gets built, it will show at least some solidarity among the citizens to fight the crazies. Maybe the following meaningful steps will be easier with the symbolism fully established and accepted. A shot across the bow if you will.



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: ClovenSky

Seems backwards to me?

Tell me in this fantasy of yours can we take down the wall when we clean up the welfare system,war on drugs and asylum problems?

A solution to the asylum issue could be to rent some land from mexico and set up a temporary refuge area for claimants That way we could provide safety for them while their claims are judged and also keep them from getting caught up in our political wars and off the welfare dole for the time being.

Such area could become productive area where jobs are available for farming or other stuff and all sponsored by the government.

That would keep them from crossing the border and claiming asylum and allow for the border patrol to arrest anyone coming across and there would be no need for more wall.



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 02:24 PM
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Spend 10 min browsing 4chan rekd videos from Mexico and tell me we don't need a wall.



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: Mandroid7

I am open minded.

What do these videos have in them that is mind changing.



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 02:29 PM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk

Why would the wall need to come down? Couldn't mexico just setup a camp like that just before US soil on their side and provide a paradise for the people that aren't happy in the mainland? That would get them a lot more good will from their citizens than having some other country do it for them. Almost would be kind of a jerk move on our part.

you are a different one uncleT. What are your views. Do you support open borders where anyone can come and go as they please. What do you thing about illegal aliens getting free handouts and access to our social programs. How do you feel about the idea of these illegal aliens cleaning up their own back yard and bring paradise there instead of abandoning their people in cowardice?
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posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: UncleTomahawk

Why would the wall need to come down? Couldn't mexico just setup a camp like that just before US soil on their side and provide a paradise for the people that aren't happy in the mainland? That would get them a lot more good will from their citizens than having some other country do it for them. Almost would be kind of a jerk move on our part.

you are a different one uncleT. What are your views. Do you support open borders where anyone can come and go as they please. What do you thing about illegal aliens getting free handouts and access to our social programs. How do you feel about the idea of these illegal aliens cleaning up their own back yard and bring paradise there instead of abandoning their people in cowardice?


I understand the fact that our welfare system promotes asylum claims and that people claiming asylum can get here by any means necessary and be legal as long as they report to officials. So no wall will stop them from coming.

I do most indeed support open borders if and only if we deal with the welfare problem cause most people would not be here expecting a free ride. If the only ones to come then would be workers or visitors.

As long as the currency exchange rate between the usa and mexico is around 10 to 1 people will have a desire to come into the usa and work and then take their earnings back home.

I do see the need for the current walls we have in the cities and such and they do cut down on car thefts and such but we do not need more walls we need to expand the visa programs for workers and open the current ports of entry as we tell people to use the ports.

I think a mexican safe space sponsored by the usa is needed and would save much more money than any more walls.



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: UncleTomahawk

Why can't american companies offer a pay scale high enough to attract legit citizens to their open jobs? If they can't attract valid legal workers with their current pay scales, they should just be allowed to import slaves with no workers rights?

Maybe if american companies / farmers can't gain enough fiat for the sale of their goods, thus offering attractive wages to produce/pick their products, their products aren't really that important.

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