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Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

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posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 12:16 AM
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We do have to consider the past and the times, the early to late ’70s, the mid to late ’80s and the Steven Greer, Lawrence Rockefeller period in the ’90s as three periods where ufology was heating up…

Can we today, because of TTSA, say history is repeating itself? We probably can.

The ’70s were the outcome of the new age and MK ultra-period: Puharich/Geller/The Nine/SRI/Psychic research era mingled with ufology.

And the ’80s were excited by the notorious Bennewitz affair when the Air force AFOSI intel group started their deceptions of Paul Bennewitz, which spread to the ufo community like a wildfire in California. Also, more vital to the 80’s ufo fix were the MJ12 document revelations, or machinations--depending on how one views the documents.

The ’90s was when Steven Greer had the floor along with help independently from a mainstem elite ufo-buff, Lawrence Rockefeller. www....(nolink)/rockefeller-ufo-211/5252. Greer is still in the saddle as a major ufo pandit but his popularity has settled into just another quasi-cult leader.

Lately, from about 2000 to the present before TTSA, we all know ufology was kind of dead…a latent period to the present TTSA induced hoopla.

Of course, we had the 2005 Serpo hoax, something exposed on ATS. This caper had behind it the proverbial usual suspects known as the gang of 5, which included two characters behind and in front of the present TTSA affair. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Since this period and after, it may be that ufology had gotten so supine that the IC spooks felt it necessary to lay it on heavy through the MSM’s positive reaction to TTSA, an absolute anomaly since usually the press mocks and belittles anything that has to do with ufology.

Indeed, it seems TTSA only needed a good media fix to start the new era of interest in ufology, and a couple of media mavens, George Knapp and Leslie Kean to get the ball rolling…rolling right down the cliff!

The MSM interest as of yet really has not caught fire at all. Likely, that is what they planned since ufology has a glass ceiling of popular interest to it where it will never catch on other than in movies and sci-fi environments.

Can we conclude, therefore, that they want to jinn up ufology every few years? Maybe, but while they do that, they employ a steady stream of the typical Cartesian dialectic posture of pro and anti ufo squabbles with the community. Of course, that can happen naturally through human nature.

But a careful study of the history of ufo government disinformation within ufology may reveal some interesting things.




posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: Willtell
THE MEDIA LOVES THIS UFO EXPERT WHO SAYS HE WORKED FOR AN OBSCURE PENTAGON PROGRAM. DID HE?
theintercept.com...



I love this article, but it got something wrong. Zondo IS NOT a ufo expert





Great article. While obvious, didn't know he confirmed this:

" Elizondo confirmed to me earlier this year that he is, in fact, working as a government contractor, “but it’s not what you think it is,” he said. Mellon did not respond to my request for comment."



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 12:53 AM
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a reply to: InspectaBecky

I’m being facetious in regards to the journalist descriptive objective statement.

I’m not really correcting him just trying to say Zondo has little knowledge of ufology as far as I’m concerned enough to be called a ufo expert



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 03:53 AM
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a reply to: The GUT

Hi gut, goo to see you and your input mate, always is.

In regards to your comments about ATS as a testbed, "he who cannot be named" but who may have been a massive "Richard" mentions that Parsing of words and terms on ATS and those being "used" against users had been going on along time.

As much as a huge "Richard Cranium" this person was, I always remembered that comment with a hmmmm.



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 03:55 AM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: InspectaBecky

I’m being facetious in regards to the journalist descriptive objective statement.

I’m not really correcting him just trying to say Zondo has little knowledge of ufology as far as I’m concerned enough to be called a ufo expert


?

I was pointing out his admission to still having a contract w the govt.



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 03:55 AM
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originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: The GUT

I would love to tell you but my ID would be revealed.
My colleagues would be shocked that I believed in UAPs/UFOs.


So you send us to google where we are supposed to be very very surprised and find a book. Exactly what are you trying to tell us if you did not write it.




posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 03:55 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

Ahh I misunderstood / misread what you meant, didn't mean no offence WT, I do agree with what you said



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 03:58 AM
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a reply to: pigsy2400




In regards to your comments about ATS as a testbed


There is a few comments someplace on ATS re an experiement having taken place here on ATS, the conversation involved THE GUT and Kevin about it. Weird.



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 04:05 AM
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OK a few things, I've been in touch with someone recently who has been looking at the FLIR video posted up by Thefinaltheory on the link that GUT shared.

Vision unlimited is a German film Company, the "owner" of this company; you're gonna love this; is called "Phil Schneider"

This person has been contacted and stated they had no recollection of this video at all.
Vision Unlimited

There is also a rumored longer version... But there's not much more to go on other than that

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posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 06:14 AM
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a reply to: InspectaBecky

Maybe his shipping company has some military customers 😂

You know the government he was so upset with he just had to leave......and become a contractor to.

What a mess...of their own making.

I've said this a few times before but I reckon that when / if TTSA cease to be, you can guarantee that "ufology" and the likes of us will bare the brunt of that blame and not the fact that no-one outside of this community actually cares, who is their alleged target audience!
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posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 07:40 AM
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originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: InspectaBecky

BREAKING FROM GEORGE KNAPP..
Lue was number 10 on a list sent by Harry Reid including the sec. of Defense... Thus establishing that Lue was the director

twitter.com...


That's funny I see no "establishing" of anything regarding Lue. Not even his name.



Note the "Unclassified Nickname" part.



Knapp has a habit of producing these documents when a poker play is required. He's denied he works for TTSA. But he can't deny he's been working with them. Where else could he get these documents from?

It wouldn't surprise me if before he left Zondo began misfiling documents or accidentally deleting things. So when the FOIA requests came in this would confuse things and make the Pentagon PR people look like liars. Meanwhile George spook chums tell him to produce a document or two whenever the heat gets turned up on them.



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: pigsy2400

Pentagon: “Mr. Elizondo had no responsibilities with regard to the AATIP program while he worked in OUSDI [the Office of Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence], up until the time he resigned effective 10/4/2017


This is interesting, but has indeed contradicted statements that the pentagon spokespersons have previously stated?

The Drive

Hmmmm


Back to this one Pigs, regardless of all the questions re all of this, isn't it a bit tacky of the writer of this article and how he describes Zondo's appearance. Something so serious and this person seems to be more interested in how Zondo looks. Just saying. Its things like this which kind of make things loose credibility and comes across as cheap and tacky. Just my opinion.



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: The GUT

No, but I found a physics forum where people were ripping "The Final Theory" to shreds and wondering if the author was a total and complete moron or a hoaxer, trying to see how many people would buy into the stupidity.



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 08:54 AM
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originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: KansasGirl

Didn't you tell us who you are, already? Mark McM? Or did you NOT mean to imply that you wrote that Final Theory book?


I didn't pay any attention the "Final Theory" part before, but decided to take a peek. Did anyone who dug around on that land on this?

Fighter Jet UFO Footage: The Real Deal

If you haven't you might find it interesting for a few different reasons. For one, I'm wondering if there hasn't been a few delays/false starts in the operation we are currently watching unfold. I know that the "German" release of the vid has been mentioned and ATS has been mentioned in context with that, so maybe y'all have. Even so, given the new "young gun" blood presence (and across ufology) it might be worth another look from that perspective.


But wasn't it a website for some student's computer graphics class art project? Am I comfused? I though that the Tic Tac video had forat appeared as a class project for some German guy.



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: celltypespecific

...I am a scientist by training....



...I have done my research....



...Only the .0001% of the population represented here would care that the info is been presented by "gov. spooks"



... I have a pretty strong scientific background/training and am the recipient of multiple federal grants. Thus I am not your average clueless american.


...And Then:


....I don't believe in aliens and the rest of the crazy conspiracy theories...


Question for the trained scientist: Since when did the possibility of extraterrestrial life become a "crazy conspiracy theory"?

There is a huge contingent of "fellow scientists" (NASA astrobiologists, exobiologists, SETI-researchers, etc.) that may disagree with you.

p.s. THEY are scientists also. Trained as well. Perhaps to a higher degree than yourself. Since you do not "believe" in ETE/EBEs (it's just a "crazy conspiracy theory", after all, right?), how do you explain the hard work, research, and tremendous financial and intellectual resources being applied to the search? I guess they are ALL wrong, and ALL wasting their time and our money! Those crazy fool scientists! Aliens? ET? Bah!

Anyone home?



edit on 6/2/2019 by Outrageo because: c_me@L5, tt$a



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: KansasGirl

You maybe confusing this with the Australian Chris Kenworthy who did some ufo vids as a project

Archived Website

It was also discussed here on ATS and Issac Koi did a full investigation into them;
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: InspectaBecky

WillTell and inspectaBecky.
This article is debunked. I also read it and its patently false info. You will see.
This can be easily verified...for whatever reason you both seem to chose to ignore reporting from NYT...Washington Post...Politico....The hill.... and several other outlets have have documentary evidence showing that lue was the Director of AATIP.



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: Outrageo

Let me retract and clearify that statement "I don't believe in Aliens" I do believe life exist elsewhere in the universe.
I don't believe in the GRAYS...and REPTILES.. and cattle mutaliations...and circle crops...and abductions ect....
The current UAPs/UFO that we are experience are most likely Super Advanced Artificial Intelligence Probes sent by a long dead race....



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: KansasGirl

Kansasgirl to be clear....the FLIR1 video is 100% real. The Pentagon confirmed that the videos are real and second Dave Fravor the pilot that was present for these events confirmed that his fellow pilot recorded this video.



posted on Jun, 2 2019 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: celltypespecific


But who is the dead race? Re crop circles. Dr Alexander has just put out a new interview and he discusses that very subject crop circles.




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