Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: celltypespecific

a stigma has been created to positive thinking and things of a new age nature, but science is starting to reveal truths and most aren't taking notice its like we have this defeatist nature because of the conditioning of the MSM and all the rest,
raising awareness according to an ever growing swathe of scientists, brings exactly to the people that which they raise.
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every stressor is here to strengthen me, is a good way of thinking when in ill health.

a reply to: celltypespecific



I'm getting my T-shirt ready. If all of this turns out to be real disclosure of something convincing then I will wear it every day (except in countries where it could get me arrested of course).

So far I am seeing TTSA cheerleading and hype like never before for a TV show. If it was really ground breaking then surely we would see it on the global media news. History channel has a history of hyping stuff - Oak Island, Hunting Hitler....did they capture Bigfoot once?

The real game changer would be when[if] the US Department of Defense comment in an official capacity about what exactly is going on. Along with something from the European Defence ministries and our Commonwealth Allies? And I don't mean Nick Pope from the UK MoD!

Until then well I say it's good to see Tom and Zondo back together again since they biked it down California roads doing what they do best.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: InspectaBecky

Hi Becky,
I don't want to argue anymore with anyone on ATS. It's not healthy.
Its important that all the infighting and backbiting in the field of Ufology ends.
We have to come together and get ready for the coming DISCLOSURE ......
It will be up to us to EDUCATE the Mainstream populous once DISCLOSURE is complete.
I will be respectful to all going forward. Thank-you for your patience.

We really don't have to stop anything and go along with the self proclaimed pied pipers.

It's not healthy perhaps to spam a point of view and then dismiss anyone else's research over decades.
All you have to do is look at the people involved, go to SERPO see the hoax and you'll see this is a rebranding and they are channeling an agenda through TDLs fan base and History channel as they learned their lesson that they cant fool the serious researches. I think they kick themselves over their stupidity in bringing this initially via SERPO to ufologists.

If Zonk said it was a mistake about the balloon, what else do they have but a tv show formatted to Oak Island's script..."on next season we'll find something big!"

I was supportive of TDL in the first nano second.

I was then horrified at their monetizing disclosure. If there is anything and I mean anything to disclose, release it and let scientists research it. It's not for them to drip feed anything through ridiculous tv shows unless there is an agenda to what is being drip fed.

Feel free to reply AFTER you've read their muddy history going back YEARS before TDL ever went to Washington.

a reply to: mirageman

im still more inclined to sway toward UFOs to be from here, energies that may only appear to us under duress or if there is a glitch in the matrix so to speak, dont like how they are directing our conscious in a negative aspect towards what may or may not be there.

Interestingly, in the early 70s, according to Jacques Vallee's FSII, there was a similar feeling that something big was going to happen. That just around the corner was some super UFO/alien discloser coming up such as a big UFO landing.

This was primarily induced by the new ageism of that time. A huge contributor to that was the government DIA MK Ultra associated psychic researcher Andrija Puharich and the famous Nine…he introduced Uri Geller to this movement.

Jacques Vallee and his buddy Hal Puthoff were in the middle of that era as very interested observers and sometime contributors, though both played the role as skeptics to that movement.

One has to follow these IC-induced hysteria periods and see that some may be induced by the CIA branch of the IC spook brigade and others from the angle of the air force’s AFOSI.

One may conclude that this one is an air force operation since the general associated with it is an air force general McCasland. Though here it may be a combination of the AFOSI and CIA since a lot of CIA operators as well as DIA people are involved with TTSA.

Indeed this TTSA operation may be an IC government combined operation since we know the MSM is in their pocket and alternative media with George Knapp.

Then, is this all a part of Jacques Valle’s idea of Control System being tampered with by the IC by inducing a human wave of interest in ufology?

Where the government Jinn’s up this mild to major hysteria of UFO disclosure. Unfortunately, it always begins with a bang, invariably it ends with a boom.

originally posted by: ManyMasks
a reply to: mirageman

im still more inclined to sway toward UFOs to be from here, energies that may only appear to us under duress or if there is a glitch in the matrix so to speak, dont like how they are directing our conscious in a negative aspect towards what may or may not be there.

It’s also a possibility that a veil is being lifted in this matrix so we see for a period of time (glimpses--ufos) things going on we usually don’t see.

That can explain Valle’s IDH hypothesis. The “glitch” then is an awakening of a natural phenomenon which was veiled from us.

Once the entire veil is lifted…oh boy!

a reply to: Willtell

You might be right there Will. Over here across the Atlantic the original NYT 2017 story received lots of publicity and even got a slot on BBC news. We've had nothing but our tabloid web based media pushing this latest media blitz.

So this could one of their social experiments. We know UFO reports increased after the movie Close Encounters in the late 70s and during X-Files fever in the 90s.

Not sure so much the USAF is taking the lead though. The Navy seem to be the go to people for the story telling. I don't think the Air Force have been hands on.

Plus McCasland's USAF Bio Page says he retired as of October 01,2013. Yet Tom was talking to him in 2016 according to the dates of the emails when he was no longer an Air Force General.

In fact he'd moved on to become Director of Technology at Applied Technology Associates (ATA) by then. A company specialising in line-of-sight stabilization, inertial sensing, and real-time processing systems for government and commercial customers. Which of course is interesting.

As for the MSM a lot of "news" programming is actually just promotional slots stealthily advertising someone or something disguised as news. We get softball questions and sound bites in a 3-5 minutes slot.

By the way - there is no sign of this show airing on History UK & Ireland or across Europe anywhere. So we are relying on our friends across the pond to report back after it has aired.

originally posted by: Willtell
Interestingly, in the early 70s, according to Jacques Vallee's FSII, there was a similar feeling that something big was going to happen. That just around the corner was some super UFO/alien discloser coming up such as a big UFO landing.

Do you think the notorious Rod Serling-presented TV documentary UFOS - Past, Present and Future (1974) was possibly a taster for such disclosure when the producer was promised genuine USAF film footage of a 'landing' at Holloman AFB in 1971? (As opposed to the alleged 60s Holloman visitation.)

Naturally, in a Twilight Zone-style twist, the USAF pulled out at the last moment. Lovely tale, though.

At least Vallee managed to see himself (and the real Hynek) on the Big Screen via Francois Truffaut's impersonation of him in 'Close Encounters Of The Third Kind' (1977). Legend has it (I haven't checked myself) that during the big landing climax, you can hear someone on the soundtrack whispering, "Hey, this is just like that Holloman AFB landing a few years back!" Not sure if it's true, but a nice rumour all the same.

a reply to: mirageman

Chris Mellon did say that they will present evidence from a NATO Ally during the series, so stay tuned.

a reply to: ManyMasks

Thank-you for your post. I have a pretty strong scientific background/training and am the recipient of multiple federal grants. Thus I am not your average clueless american.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I understand your point...However, I am not too interested in the Ufology gossip, drama, backbiting, and pettiness.

I am interested in an objective assessment of the RADAR data...FLIR1 vidoes....expert testimony from trained pilots...
independent rigorous research from NYT..WASH POST...and Politico.

Please analyze the DATA presented then make an assessment. I think we both agree that the UFO/UAP is a real phenomena...
I am not sure what the issue is.

a reply to: celltypespecific

Stay tuned? Yeh right!

a reply to: mirageman

I'm sorry to hear your not going to see the show. I hope something can be arranged.



Regarding this

Not sure so much the USAF is taking the lead though. The Navy seem to be the go to people for the story telling. I don't think the Air Force have been hands on. Plus McCasland's USAF Bio Page says he retired as of October 01,2013. Yet Tom was talking to him in 2016 according to the dates of the emails when he was no longer an Air Force General.

We know they have a history of getting retired people to deal with the ufo affair.

Going all the way back to Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter in nicap.

Doty was retired when he did a lot of his dirt, as well Green and Puthoff

They seem to use " retired" IC people ion this. Of course, that includes your buddy's FAKE retirement or phantom retirement from Zondo

I think what's important to consider is; whats outside of TTSA has been happening in ufology within the last 18months?

What was the most credible sighting in that period of time?

What stuff have the likes of DARPA been doing in that period of time that should genuinely concern people?

There appears to be a push towards synthetic biology? What's happening there?

What other programs have been underway that have simply gone unnoticed?

I am not suggesting that TTSA is a purposeful distraction, but we may have been distracted in regards to these other things!

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Yeah, that famous affair has Doty all over it as well.

Vallee goes over that affair in FSII I think. The HBO special that supposed to have shown that landing.

I think the Rod Serling documentary was a part of that fiasco.

a reply to: mirageman

I havent forgotten our little wager if this all ends up being true Mr Mirageman

I shall order and provide photos of me wearing;

a reply to: ConfusedBrit



I don't remember those days. But I guess all this hullaballo comes round once every generation or so. I guess in 1974 things were a lot less sophisticated and there was no need to recruit Elvis Presley to head a disclosure project. It probably would have killed him.

ETA the 4 minute mark onwards is interesting though.

a reply to: celltypespecific

I admire your enthusiasm and I hope things work out the way you expect them to.

Some of us have been through this game several times before and our backs are still hurting from when we had the rug pulled out from under us. Every time.

I'm old enough to have lived through the MJ12 and Bob Lazar fiascos as they happened. And that was just the beginning of the shenanigans.

When we see the exact same names popping up again thirty-something years later and we are told that *this* time these guys are here to reveal all, you can imagine we are skeptical. Fool me twenty times, shame on both of us.

a reply to: coursecatalog

Thank-you for your insights.
But I am sure you also agree/intuit that this is different.

The evidence is simply too overwhelming....
Why would Senator Harry Reid taint is legacy to be associated with the "crazy ufo" field if he did not know something tangible. and please don't mention bigalow donors etc.

Why would ACTIVE DUTY Pilots go on the RECORD to discuss this stigmatized topic unless they did indeed encounter with signal intelligence these UAPs....

My point is we should all be able to agree that yes indeed there are UAPs and the pentagon is slowly reveal what they know to the public. I am 100% confident of this....

I don't believe in aliens and the rest of the crazy conspiracy theories ...I do believe is that the US GOV has come across objects that are extremely advanced beyond next generation. Thats's it.

a reply to: celltypespecific

You'll learn.