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Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

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posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 07:25 AM
The rest of the article deals with the Nimitz 2004 case. Which is basically the only case that TTSA have used with any depth of detail to push their agenda.

Do we have a genuine mystery here? For sure.

One of them being why this case (which is now 15 years old) has been the focus when we know AATIP didn't effectively begin until 5 years afterwards. AATIP did not speak to Fravor. TTSA interviewed him in November 2017 to give more 'beef' to their NY Times media exclusive.

The key takeaway here is that if ever there was an opportune time to capture the very best real-world sensor data on a high-performance target in near lab-like controlled settings offered by the restricted airspace off the Baja Coast, this was it. And by intention or chance, this is exactly what happened.

The Drive

And it was lab like conditions. The Nimitz Carrier Group was on exercise and didn't even leave port.

Nimitz CSG Practices the Art of War at Sea - Without Getting Underway

NORTH ISLAND, Calif. (NNS) -- Tactical Training Group Pacific (TACTRAGRUPAC) and four ships of Commander, Carrier Strike Group (CCSG) 11 conducted a virtual exercise Oct. 26-27 via secure wide area network and satellite, while they remained in port at bases in San Diego and Hawaii.....

San Diego-based USS Nimitz (CVN 68), USS Princeton (CG 59) and USS Higgins (DDG 76), and the Hawaii-based USS Chafee (DDG 90) took part in the exercise, along with the staffs of CCSG 11 and Destroyer Squadron 23.

"The San Diego-based ships connected via Link-16, Chafee connected via Link-11, and we all saw the same picture," said Lt. Rob Hauck, the CCSG 11 tactical flag command center officer and a key training leader for the BGIE-WC. "All the ships see radar, video, IFF (Identification Friend or Foe); there's no difference.

You can't see the difference between real world now and what the operators were seeing during the exercise."

The carrier group did leave port and eventually sail together on Nov 20th 2014 according to this report. However there appears to have been some exercise going on where sensor systems "can't see the difference between real world now and what the operators were seeing during the exercise."

So were some of the circumstances surrounding the incident just part of a test?

Against that theory is that Fravor, claims he made visual contact with the tic-tac UFO. Sadly he never thought to switch his cameras on though.

posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 01:23 PM

Confirming that there no real way to report these 'anomalies' to instigate an investigation. So how can they be investigating them?

How can you Identify Advanced Aerospace Threats if it's so difficult to know what's what then?

TTSA are taking the credit for this would be very interesting to get FOIAs or something official to see how the Navy/USAF decided that a better reporting process was needed and of TTSA were indeed involved....!

Recently, unidentified aircraft have entered military-designated airspace as often as multiple times per month, Joseph Gradisher, spokesman for office of the deputy chief of naval operations for information warfare, told The Washington Post on Wednesday.

This hints that there was a previous reporting process, would be nice to know what that was. I would also bet that TTSA have been trying to push themselves to be the entity that these reports are processed by. Which I can't see happening due to the potential for classified operational platforms being sighted and reported to TTSA.....?
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posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 02:17 PM


The US NAVY’s ADMISSION OF UFOs BEING REAL in @politico’s groundbreaking article is a DIRECT RESULT of @tothestarsacademy’s quiet efforts coordinating briefings to the Legislative and Executive Branch. TTSA has been working at the highest levels of the Navy, DOD and other Agencies to help create an architecture for dealing with the reality and National Security issues related to UFOs. Chris Mellon, Chairman of the TTSA ADVISORY BOARD, worked diligently for the greater part of a year on this breakthrough National Security Policy—- And yes, this is an admission by the NAVY that these Unidentified Aerial Vehicles are real. We are appreciative that @POLITICO mentions @tothestarsacademy in the article, but few will know that we initiated the entire effort. Thank you to everyone for believing in us, and there is so much more to come

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posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 02:22 PM
a reply to: pigsy2400

Am watching the show Pigs😉.

posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 03:10 PM
a reply to: pigsy2400

What about the Greek gods and the secret onion he purported to be a part of?

He's full of crap!

It is possible the government was going to do this flimsy disclosure of their ignorance and ineptitude and birthed TTSA just to have their own stooges in place for any "revelations" or more likely disinformation they are going to put out.
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posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 03:29 PM
Another thing to point out is the following. The Navy has its own internal intelligence group, a very powerful and independent--ONI…Office of Naval Intelligence. As far as I know, they have zilch to do with these guys TDL was running around with and he purported to be a part of.

That was the air force, which btw has been probably the most sinister group of disinformation peddlers, along with the CIA, of all these government associated military intelligence groups.

I hope someone contacts the Navy and asks them whether their new policy had anything to do with TTSA’s lobbying?

He offers no proof of his assertions that TTSA is behind the Navy’s new policy.

As I said, maybe they are a part of this but it likely is a policy independent of TTSA. In other words, at best TTSA is a puppet of a government policy of disinformation.

posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 03:49 PM
a reply to: Willtell

He's full of crap! 

Lol. There is Greek God stuff in the Rendlesham affair too. A rather deep mixed up rabbit hole.

posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 06:38 PM
a reply to: mirageman

I think Paul Dean and others have shown that all branches of the US military have been taking any and all reports of unidentified flying aircraft (or objects) dead serious for many years. Reporting procedures have been in place also, but the official stance has been that they are not interested in UFOs.

I guess this is mostly a public relations effort in response to proddings by some figures in the US senate and elsewhere to show they are on the ball, so to speak.

I mean, if a military neglected to pay attention to something flying around their airspace then it would be a gross dereliction of duty, wouldn't it?

Unless, as Mr. Rogoway muses, they know all about it because they caused it to happen one way or the other.

The conundrum is that you can't really pretend you don't know what it is and then also pretend it's no big deal at the same time, which has been the official stance for a while now.

So now we are back to "taking it seriously" and "citing safety concerns" which they have presumably then overlooked since the close of Bluebook.

I do think, however, that someone has caused inconvenient questions to be asked at some fairly high level to elicit this response.

Someone is pushing and the DOD is sluggishly reacting.

Just my take.
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posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 11:06 PM
A lot of this has to do with the era where unlike before the 60’s people no longer accept the government's bs and lies. Watergate, the Vietnam war, 911, and topically well-known and documented ufo-related distortions and lies by the government, and many other government-related notaries acts have made the public on the most part cynical of any idea of anything honest, or legitimate out of the US government, from any field, not just ufology.

Though, the governments( not just US) still lie openly, and unashamedly, and consider us nothing but puppets and will still hoist blatant lies and deception on us in service to what we have all become aware of as the deep state.

An example of this, outside of ufology, is the recent Syrian war tragedy. A clear US/NATO/Israeli/Gulf state—deep state hit job of genocidal proportions on the Syrian people. With clear involvement and control of the US mainstream media with obvious lies and distortions to facilitate this onerous and sinister war on a whole nation of innocent people.

That’s why this TTSA episode is so clearly a fraud in that no US government involvement with any kind or level of “disclosure’ is legitimate ON ANY LEVEL on any topic.

A fading rock musician, and a documented participant in the well-known Serpo hoax, and a clearly ignorant of Ufology—head of security is a particularly appropriate analog to the three stooges if there ever was one.

posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 02:20 AM
Lol the gubment or ttsa philosophy: Its ok to lie to kafirs
a reply to: Willtell

posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 03:42 PM
a reply to: Hyperboles

Thy only issue is who is the real kafr?

posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 02:41 AM

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Hyperboles

Thy only issue is who is the real kafr?
anyone who is not in the gubment or ttsa

posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 07:31 AM
If I was uninterested in say...World War II - Would I, as a viewer of cable / satellite television then would I go out of my way to watch a documentary on World War II? I think its easy to answer that as as a no.

My reason for this question is due to TTSA wanting to reach and deliver their message via a larger audience with their upcoming TV show to be shown on the history channel. The majority of people that are going to watch thier TV Show are more likely to be interested in the subject to start with. This is going to considerably dampen the target audience that TTSA have so often spoken about, of whom their messaging is for!

The question of who TTSA's audience is, still remains unanswered! The UFO community, naturally have taken a very keen interest in their activities, outside of that community? No-one cares....! Don't trust what I say, ask your friends and family if they know who TTSA are? But supposedly its these very people that ARE the target audience of TTSA, including the youth who haven't been through all of the quagmire of stuff that Ufology has across the last few decades.

So with TTSA hedging so many bets on their upcoming TV show, I figured that History Channels demographics must be the same as TTSA's.....surely?

As of February 2015, around 96,149,000 American households (82.6% of households with television) receive the network's flagship channel, History.


Well according to the stats, 1,326,000 people watched the history channel in 2017 in total and History Channel was the 15th most watched network in North America of that year. I don't unfortunately have a breakdown of all of the shows that make up that number.

Here is the breakdown of their demographics however;

History Channel Demographics Source

So the typical viewer of History Channel are over 50 male home owners on $66,000? The average salary in the USA is about $44,564 according to recent statistics.

First Rule Of Marketing; Know your Audience! - So is TTSA's audience as stated above then? I thought it was about; "changing the perception of youth towards the government" - TDL

Makes one wonder if the History Channel was the only network willing to pick up their show?!

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posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 11:15 AM

LaRouche as a KGB front?

posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 12:04 PM
I will also add that it appears very odd to me the differences in approach and how some within "ufology" now see TTSA as compared with before.

Quite simply, I believe that many within "ufology" are being either
1) Co-Opted by TTSA to tow the line - Trading Up
2) Intentionally Discredited Via Proxy - Young Guns / Other Organisations ala Firmage/Dolphin
3) Have neither agreed to work with them BUT have agreed to calm down the negative rhetoric in relation to them for XXX in exchange later on.

Either way, I believe that TTSA know EXACTLY who their audience is and it isn't Joe Blogg's on the street, it IS ufology itself. I also believe that their strategy is to de-construct Ufology as it was and re-brand it into what they want that fits their narrative, they seek control of the narrative - not the "confirmation" or "disclosure" of.

The UFO community has suffered much over the years in terms of disinformation (See Serpo) and other such nonsense that has in my eyes, totally halted any serious investigation into the phenomena itself. Where there is division, there is nothing but fighting. There are more opinions (mine included) than there are real investigations; scientific or otherwise into solving this riddle.

If you want to conquer a nation, you first of all need to get them speaking your language (UAP / Experiancers et al) and then you get them to adopt your religion / beliefs.

It seems that the UFO community has had a free ride for too long and the IC want their narrative back...!

Side; it's quite interesting how vocal the "young guns" of TTSAology are on social media but not a whisper of them on ATS? That might just be the medium/platform though I guess.
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posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 01:44 PM

originally posted by: pigsy2400
I believe that TTSA know EXACTLY who their audience is and it isn't Joe Blogg's on the street, it IS ufology itself.

Excellent summary, Pigsy.

That part in particular chimes with me because I'd always assumed at the beginning of TTSA that an aging punk rocker was deliberately focusing on Joe Bloggs or The Man In The Street, above all else.

How naive I was!

Then again, as another punk rocker, Sid Vicious, once said:

"I've met the Man In The Street, and he's a ****"

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posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 04:18 PM
a reply to: Hyperboles

Actually, Kafir, the name in Islam for the disbeliever or denier, means one who covers up the truth with falsehood. Even though I wouldn’t apply that name to anyone outside of a religious context, ironically, it does fit not the ordinary people, but the government and TTSA themselves in their disinformation schemes.

Though I get your point in that they might apply that word to their detractors.
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posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 04:36 PM
a reply to: pigsy2400

Good post Pigs.

posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 04:40 PM
All good points Pigsy.

We have already talked here about the rather pathetic book sale numbers for the Sekret Machines series.

Which presents another more disturbing scenario to me. Maybe TTSA is just another sideshow meant to tie UFO nuts up in knots.

If the CIA was serious about getting the UFO message to the masses they would be teaming up with Marvel and Disney and not Tom Delonge and the History Channel.

Thinking about the themes of the Avengers and Star Wars series that are ending this year, maybe they already have.

posted on Apr, 29 2019 @ 05:11 PM
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

How naive I was!
Then again, as another punk rocker, Sid Vicious, once said: "I've met the Man In The Street, and he's a ****"

I fully expect TTSA to follow the "Intercourse Handguns" blueprint.

Eventually when all of American popular ufology is under control and George Knapp is the only person allowed to tell it like TTSA order him to tell it. Tom and Zondo will one day walk out on stage just as Sid's band leader once did in a different age.....but the story will be the same.

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