Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

TTSA is a FAKE we all know now thanks to threads like this that has exposed it.

It doesn’t bother me I do my own research and would NEVER depend on people like TTSA to inform me of anything. I listen and watch but have other resources to know about this and not these Ufologists or FAKE Ufologists.

We all need to depend on our own inward and outward resources.

It may take time but you’ll get there. It's a learning process to get the confidence of self-dependence.

Though always be humble and willing to learn from anything and anyone who is legitimately informed and has the right intention.

a reply to: SacredLore

Deary me Doty is still fibbing into his senior years...

I worked in the intelligence service from 1978 until 1988......

My secrecy oath was for a 25 year period. That time frame is over.

Do secrecy oaths for company men end after 25 years?

Never mind. There is a movie planned about Doty (a Dotymentary).....

What is your opinion on the UFO phenomenon? Is there a non-human influence (paranormal, ET or what have you) on our planet? I think this is an important basic question. Because if the answer is YES, then I think TTSA deserves credit for at least trying. If the answer is NO, then of course they deserve all criticism imaginable.

"I don't know".

TTSA should not be given credit or criticism based solely on an opinion. You can have an opinion about a film or music or another form of entertainment....oh I see what you did there!

Seriously- We should only go where the evidence takes us.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

I saw your thread about your sighting. It sounded pretty authentic to me. Id love to see you back in that thread again. I asked a few questions that you never got around to answering about the colour, shape and other behaviour of the ufo you saw. I believe I've seen your same ufo on a few occasions elsewhere.

a reply to: ctj83

I've had a thought.

What if Elizondo isn't short of clothes. Instead, they either filmed it all over one day. Or they shot it out of order, and the same clothes were required for continuity. because of reshoots? We know at least one video was edited and re-uploaded twice.

I mean, that's quite damning in terms of the authenticity of the footage but it seems plausible?

If you recall their "Brokeback to the Future" trailer below?



Zondo declares at the 1 minute mark “I get to drive 18 hours” with the secret materials as he departs for his invite for a bagel, a coffee and of course a loving hug (but not for Big Derek) at the Hoff’s place down in Austin.

However Zondo and Tom also experienced a huge chunk of “missing time” during a journey to and then from Columbus Ohio to Austin, Texas. This is not explained in the video.

Zondo and Tom were in Ohio on June 13th 2018 at 1700 hours and did not reach Austin until June 15th at 1230 hours.

That’s 46 hours 30 minutes. Not 18 hours. More than a whole day is unaccounted for.



Tom does not re-appear at all and Zondo reacts like he was never with him in the first place. Nor did he change his T-shirt or jeans at any point on film (even though they show the dates in the video).



Finally he's left sobbing at a gas station wondering what happened to Tom. Perhaps by then a victim of the Mengele effect (IIRC)?

I recently listened to an interview with Cmdr Fravor, where he is interviewed by another pilot.

It is a very good interview, and you can listen to it at fighterpilotpodcast.com hereand partial summary is here.

Now, one interesting piece of information in this interview is not related to the Nimitz incident but to the two other videos published by TTSA, gimbal and go fast.

Allegedly these videos are from 2015 on the East Coast. I have been unable to find the exact location, but I seem to have read at least something more precise somewhere.

Fravor states in this interview, that encounters with these things were so common around this time that there were actually NOTAMs issued about it for the area. This, to me, is very intriguing, because NOTAMs (Notices To AirMen) are public documents and searchable at the FAA NOTAMS database.

But since we lack a precise time and location going through this is a mammoth task, so if we could refine the search a little it would help a lot.

My question to ATS then, have anyone heard a more precise location for.the 2015 videos? I, for one, would like to see such a NOTAM, just to see how UAPs would be referred to in these documents.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: mirageman

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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: SacredLore

Deary me Doty is still fibbing into his senior years...

I worked in the intelligence service from 1978 until 1988......

My secrecy oath was for a 25 year period. That time frame is over.

Do secrecy oaths for company men end after 25 years?

Never mind. There is a movie planned about Doty (a Dotymentary).....

What is your opinion on the UFO phenomenon? Is there a non-human influence (paranormal, ET or what have you) on our planet? I think this is an important basic question. Because if the answer is YES, then I think TTSA deserves credit for at least trying. If the answer is NO, then of course they deserve all criticism imaginable.

"I don't know".

TTSA should not be given credit or criticism based solely on an opinion. You can have an opinion about a film or music or another form of entertainment....oh I see what you did there!

Seriously- We should only go where the evidence takes us.

Oooh "Doty"...

Here is a little Doty treat for the arty ones😉.

www.garysczerbaniewicz.net...#/richard-c-doty

a reply to: mirageman

Jimmy Saville would wear the same clothes for days whilst on trip. He would turn his underwear inside out. He told this to Louis Theroux.

a reply to: beetee

I'll stop the gags now.

Why do you think TTSA and even AATIP were so hung up on the Fravor tic-tac case?

It occurred before the inception of AATIP by around 4 years but that was the story they chose to lead off with. It also seems to be something BAASS reported on and George Knapp gleefully announced he was putting out there.

Knapp told us;

Elizondo is not authorized to release such information, but the I-Team obtained some of it anyway.

Source : KLAS I-Team News

So obviously George felt that, despite Zondo not having the authority in this case, he was able to release it???? That doesn't sit right with me.

As for the 2015 occurrences. Well I do think these need more study and I hope more information comes to light.

But again it's a year since all this stuff originally came out. TTSA seem unwilling and unable to give full details of where the videos came from and what they show? Instead we get half baked statements and partial stories. It's these vagaries and uncertainties that throw doubt all the time on this strange operation.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: mirageman

Jimmy Saville would wear the same clothes for days whilst on trip. He would turn his underwear inside out. He told this to Louis Theroux.

Now then, now then....

a reply to: mirageman

I agree with all of your points regarding TTSA. I have many doubts.

So, for me at least, it's more about salvaging what babies can be saved as the bathwater sloshes out.

The Nimitz affair and the 2015 encounter are two such babies that should be saved from this.

If there is verifiable information, like in a NOTAM, this would go a way to verify that "something" was going on in 2015 on the East Coast.

Something that could be looked into, at least.

We should not forget that the Nimitz story, and video, was out long before even TTSA.

Maybe this is not the thread for it, but I bet if any such NOTAMs existed they could be found. Unless it is a vague notice of UAP activity or something...

ScaredLore said:

How does Richard Doty fit in here? I thought he was a "disinfo agent" who had the job to convince the world that UFOs are just in our heads and unreal.

He did the complete OPPOSITE to protect military projects and interests, creating fake UFO mythologies that were irrespective of the 'genuine' UFO mystery/question.

These days, Doty has transformed into yet another Greer-style snake-oil merchant who claims to promote genuine UFO mysteries, but whose past professional lies leave him a mistrusted, rather pathetic lost soul.

a reply to: beetee

Plenty of interesting stuff flies around with or without a NOTAM. The really good stuff id imagine you would not put out a notam fo. kinda draws attention to it. .

a reply to: pigsy2400

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Thanks for clearing this up.
So Doty was made to believe the alien story in order to do his job convincingly, namely to make people believe that they saw craft of non-human origin when in fact they observed secret US projects.
Bob Lazar may fall in the same category.
Both until today still believe what was fed to them.
If the government FAKES aliens this really muddies the water.
But even in the Sekret Machines story they mention faked UFOs and aliens.
Duh...

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Plenty of interesting stuff flies around with or without a NOTAM. The really good stuff id imagine you would not put out a notam fo. kinda draws attention to it. .

Yes, I thought it was pretty odd too. But if you listen to the interview, both Fravor and the pilot doing the interview claim this was the case.

And, importantly, such a NOTAM might actually be found from the FAA archive, which has an archive search function. But maybe these are special Military NOTAMs they are referring to? Or are they the same?

I have no doubt a lot of interesting stuff flies around in the US, so I'm pretty envious in that regard.

a reply to: Willtell

Thanks for answering the question!
I find it very likely that the government agencies have difficulties figuring it all out, especially with all that paranormal stuff.
Maybe the purpose of TTSA is to "crowd-source" knowledge from all walks of life to get a better understanding. A secretive CIA unit could probably not do it.

One other explanation is offered in the Sekret Machines books: Maybe the US agencies DID make progress and they DO want to keep it secret and make themselves look like fools. Not so much for us, but for THEM. Preparing in silence.

Glad you liked Cameron :-)

a reply to: mirageman

"I don't know".
Seriously- We should only go where the evidence takes us.

Thanks!
I forgot the obvious... "I don't know" is really the best and most honest answer here.

I have personal beliefs, so that is why I hope TTSA will do fine. But in the end, they are just beliefs (and hopes).

There are members on ATS who had personal experiences and I believe them.
But I very much agree with you that, especially in this subject, objective and reproducible evidence is required.
I appreciate your careful and detailed analysis. There are inconsistencies in the TTSA story and this is an indication that we are not being told everything. What that means remains to be seen, but I will not believe everything they put out blindly just because it aligns well with my view of the world.

My take on these is that all these jokers put together ain't gonna achieve anything significant

a reply to: beetee

If it's of any help there's circumstantial evidence that "Gimbal" and "Go Fast" are likely parts of the same video around 16 minutes apart. This was discussed on various forums and websites around a year ago. Both videos can still be seen directly on TTSA's Youtube Channel

The sensor overlays both show a four digit code [1688 highlighted in the shots below] on the right hand side. It is the PRF code for laser guided munitions specific to an individual aircraft. Something both videos ignore in their explanations. This information supposedly points to it being the same F-18.



Some have even said the pilots voice is the same in both videos...

Someone like BASS might be able to explain this better than me.

a reply to: SacredLore

There are members on ATS who had personal experiences and I believe them. But I very much agree with you that, especially in this subject, objective and reproducible evidence is required.

Of course they do. But the problem is that a fair chunk of these people often say "I know what I saw" and immediately jump to a conclusion that it involved aliens. Yes people have odd and unexplained experiences. But, even if we had solid proof aliens had visited Earth, these experiences remain unexplained until proven.

The TTSA story feels more like "Tom and Lue's Excellent Adventure" or more correctly their "Bogus Journey".

If NASA or any other global space agencies find ET life on Mars or Europa (or anywhere else). They would issue a press release that they had important news. Then the confirmation and proof of what they'd found would be released to the world immediately. They wouldn't string the story out over years with promo videos and documentaries BEFORE any proof is shown.

So my own 'opinion' is that this is something similar to a Studio Six Operation.
Or more recently the Vaccinations Project in Pakistan which eventually led to the end of the world's longest ever game of hide and seek. In other words, people in the shadows sometimes operate in plain sight. They appear to be doing one thing but we have no idea what they are really doing.