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Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

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posted on Jul, 10 2020 @ 05:44 PM
a reply to: mirageman

Your right for the first show.

But it will be interesting to see how they will recycle the same old UFO stories and memes.

They may try to herald themselves as being a catalyst for UFO popularity.

Those scenes I think you mentioned where Zondo visits TDL, and they hug and sit there delusionally talking as if they discovered Mars or something.

I'll watch it for sure but not from the angle of expecting anything new.

With UFOlogy, at this point, there’s nothing new under the sun. Or in this case over the sun either!

posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 01:50 AM
a reply to: Willtell

No idea what the next shows contain, but I liked this from this article about what Zondo said.

He adds, "I’ve made a living assessing people, and as an intelligence officer understanding micro-behaviors and deceptive patterns, these folks are none of those. I could put them on a polygraph tomorrow and they will pass with flying colors. They are real and they are legitimate."

Right said Fred.

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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 07:59 AM
a reply to: Baablacksheep

We'll have to wait and see what transpires. But people who say they saw something they've never seen before aren't lying. If they say it's not of this Earth then they are. Because they can't know that for sure.

Zondo is also quoted in that piece as saying

..."For me, the micro goal is to collect the truth and speak the truth. I present the facts and the data, and the audience is the jury....

Remember his Italy speech about The Washington 1952 UFO flap? There are no photographs and a handful of eye witnesses.But Zondo claimed there were hundreds of witnesses and photographs?

He might believe that. In which case he would pass a polygraph test.

Or he lied.

Either way he got the facts wrong there.

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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 11:02 AM
I watched one of the old ones last night.

Zondo actually said some good things, such as admitting the feds have deceived and lied.

I rarely see things as black and white, and Zondo and even some of the others will do and say positive things as a matter of nature once in a while.

The problem with Zondo and TTSA has been said in this thread many times.

One is that they have no real explanation for the fact that the government has already studied UFOs.

Serious studies and they have concluded this:


Excuse me for the shouting, but it's for emphasis. (Because the above is the great secret the government covers up or just doesn’t admit openly)

So, the very basis of TTSA trying to get the government to do something they’ve already done is phony.

Sure, they may stir up new people and get a congress to initiate a new investigation.
But so, what. They’ll fail again to get a clear, certain, concise explanation for UFOs no matter how obsessive people get, and no matter how many people TTSA jinn up with fear.

posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 11:05 AM
One more thing.

Who else was in ATTIP?

Besides Zondo and that old cigarette machine in the back of that Army base.

posted on Jul, 12 2020 @ 12:39 PM
Unidentified was boring to me. It looks like the plan is to attract willing military experiencers who will tell us about their run-ins with UFOs. It gets kind of redundant.

Not a bad doc but kind of spartan and little excitement because you know what’s coming next.

They’ll sit an ex-military guy down and Zondo will question him about the same tales we’ve heard for 70 years.

posted on Jul, 12 2020 @ 05:26 PM
a reply to: Willtell

I am not sure about AATIP. It seems to have existed in people's imaginations. There's not really much real proof it existed. Harry Reid said he started it. But he's also reluctant to actually prove any of it. He said 80% of the information is already available. But again. No help from Harry as to how to get hold of it. I think George Knapp rustled up a document from his sofa. But that wasn't an official government document.

As for Zondo going around questioning military UFO witnesses. Why?

If he had or hadn't found answers during his time with AATIP then what is the point?

Oh sorry I forgot TTSA is an entertainment company....

posted on Jul, 12 2020 @ 11:40 PM
a reply to: mirageman

Look, is admitting one worked at ATTIP a breaking of their security clearance?
Obviously not unless Zondo has broken his.
Therefore its odd that we don’t know any others who had worked in ATTIP.

Why haven’t they come forward and said.
“Hey, yeah we worked along with Zondo in ATTIP.”

A hole in his narrative IMO
Now he’s getting the gung-ho ex-military guys who have had experiences to come on his show.

As for Zondo going around questioning military UFO witnesses. Why?
If he had or hadn't found answers during his time with AATIP then what is the point?
Oh sorry I forgot TTSA is an entertainment company....
Well on that number one, he’s got to have something to fill up an hour.

As for his finding something in ATTIP, I doubt he did any better or any different than what he’s doing now, getting a few folks who have had run-of-the-mill experiences with supposed UFOs.
“ Oh, it was going so fast and turning so fast," gee whiz...gee whiz...they can kick our ass; can kick ous ass."

Donald Keyhoe had the same material (just different witnesses in a different era) 73 years ago.

And we all have the same response as they did 73 years ago. Scratch our heads and say," oh yeah its a UFO but we can't explain it. Show me the next one, my head still itching."

And there is always and probably always will be someone complaining about

"Hey, what's the military and government doing? this may be a threat."


Like Gordon Gekko said in Wall Street:

Come on, tell us something I(we) don't know, it's my (our) birthday."

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