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Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

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posted on Dec, 25 2019 @ 03:58 AM
a reply to: Phage

I am serious about this, Somebody who was trained in radar devices was not able to identify a radar reflector according to a witness who changed his statements over the years?

Edit: I am not an "ET disciple" and open to every explanation for Roswell, but some of the crown witness of the "skeptics" like Cavitt, Moore and Newton were as unreliable as witnesses as some on the ET side .
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posted on Dec, 25 2019 @ 11:39 AM
a reply to: TheMadScientist2

It's common to say Marcel attended a "radar school" or a "radar course." Actually he attended a radar INTELLIGENCE OFFICER school. His handsome diploma, suitable for framing, is printed in _The Roswell Legacy_, and here it is, courtesy of Google Books:

What's a radar intelligence officer?

"Here, in outline, is what the radar intelligence officer does:

1. Studies, digests, and correlates available [radar] scope and optical photographs of routes and targets with navigational charts of the same areas.

2. Where available scope photographs are lacking in either quality or quantity, plans reconnaissance missions over the indicated areas.

3. Plans the radar phases of bombing missions and incorporates the results in the radar-approach and target charts of the target folder.

4. Prepares radar briefing and instructional material and performs the usual pre- and post-mission functions of air intelligence officers: briefing, interrogation, mission reporting, and target study."

- Radar Observers' Bombardment Information File, USAAF, July 1945.

See anything in there about radar targets? Me neither. The whole ROBIF is available here or you can scroll down and just look at Chapter 7, the radar intelligence one. Course and book deal with the then-new airborne bombing radars; the radar targets blamed for Roswell worked with SCR-584's, ground-bound tracking radars. His having attended this school isn't evidence that he'd ever seen a radar target in his life, intact or scattered around a debris field.

The next obvious question is "How could all these people be fooled by balsa and foil?" All that was necessary for matters to proceed as they did was for Marcel to be not quite sure what he had -- which is possible due to his lack of qualifications; he wasn't even within yelling distance of being a technical intelligence whiz capable of identifying "anything that flies" by its wreckage -- and kicking it upstairs, which is what he was supposed to have done. Upstairs may have looked at this buck that Marcel passed them and decided to pass it on to Wright. Leave out that press release and the whole business would have passed off with a few red faces and sheepish grins.

And as somebody else has said, if we're going to kick Roswell to death again, do we need to do it here?

posted on Dec, 25 2019 @ 07:37 PM
a reply to: jimmy121

thanks for posting this, calls indeed of a reevaluation of the statement that Marcel was by his training informed about a rawin sonde.

Although some parts of the text is pretty vague regarding "predictive devices" (which may include a rawin sonde)and the curriculum ("radar is a field, where is al ot to learn..") .
And the book " The Army Air force in World war 2 " mentions that especially for radar adaption for air operations Rawin sonde was used to determine wind velocity and direction of high altitude as an alternative for optical tracking .
So rawin sonde maybe indeed part of the "predictive devices".
But I leave that discussion for the experts.

posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 11:00 AM
It may have been posted in thread after Contact in the Desert in June, but we all drivel on so I can't remember

Here is Levanda's synopsis of the three books and explains why TTSA have the people they have involved. It's an easy summary for anyone who doesn't want to read the three books.

He does say something along the lines of TTSA won't reveal the actual nature of UFOs just yet, implying a genuine belief they are the authority. An interesting watch to get glimpses of mindset of how they promote "UFO's" are a deliberate threat to our sovereignty.

Polish your cyborgian implant eyeball and tune in your antennae

posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 01:24 PM
a reply to: zazzafrazz

Levenda almost immediately addresses his audience in terms of aliens being already here, which immediately sets alarm bells ringing, ie this isn't an investigation of a potential ET reality, rather we need to simply accept his word on it as FACT, Greer/Lear-style.

And if not his word for it, then historical words taken out of context and severely abridged. A random example is the slide he presents of MacArthur's 1962 quote at 1:13:

We deal now, not with things of this world alone. We deal now with the ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy.

Levenda obviously thinks we're too gullible and stupid to do a little research and find the entire quote...

We deal now, not with things of this world alone, but with the illimitable distances and as yet unfathomed mysteries of the universe. We are reaching out for a new and boundless frontier. We speak in strange terms of harnessing the cosmic energy, of making winds and tides work for us, of creating unheard of synthetic materials to supplement or even replace our old standard basics; to purify sea water for our drink; of mining ocean floors for new fields of wealth and food; of disease preventatives to expand life into the hundred of years; of controlling the weather for a more equitable distribution of heat and cold, of rain and shine; of spaceships to the moon; of the primary target in war, no longer limited to the armed forces of an enemy, but instead to include his civil populations; of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy; of such dreams and fantasies as to make life the most exciting of all times.

Not so sexy now, huh, Pete? Ya sneaky little snake in the grass.

posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 01:46 PM
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Not so sexy now, huh, Pete? Ya sneaky little snake in the grass.

Say it as it is CB.

posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 01:56 PM
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

TTSA is so much like the “Ancient Alien theorists” they hear or read something that might suggest the remote possibility of ET and they jump on it and embellish it.
Their more believers than objective scientists.

This Macarthur quote I’ve read 100 times but wasn’t aware it was refuted and MacArthur your link guy claims never gave a speech at West Point that year.

Ufology of this sort is like politics

Where one side only looks at the other side from a negative never positive perspective.

These types of so-called ufologists are similar, only expressing the positive possibilities of any supposed Alien/Ufo scenario.

Confirmation bias ufologists

posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 01:57 PM
Hello Dear Friends, I hope you all had a wonderful Holiday

According to the great researcher Keith Basterfield....

AATIP did indeed study UFOs...excellent research Keith!

A former Marine Corps Senior Officer, Douglas Kurth, joined BAASS before BAASS was even registered with the State of Nevada in January 2008; and nine months before the DIA AASWAP contract was awarded to BAASS. Kurth was a witness to the 2004 Tic Tac event.
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posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 05:43 PM
Merry Christmas:

As of today congress (Rep Mark Walker) making aggressive steps to elucidate the mystery of the UAPs:

posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 06:01 PM
a reply to: celltypespecific

It's like this hasn't been reported on before and even as recently as last month we brought up the subject of Douglas Kurth and his position with BAASS shortly after being a witness to the "Nimitz Incident". Maybe he's another creaming off the taxpayer funded company for services rendered.

Keith is a great researcher. But he's taking Harry Reid's word for it that UFOs were part of the AAWSAP or AATIP studies.

How's Harry Reid's track record on honesty? Hmmm....

....Lastly, but most importantly, former Senator Harry Reid, who instigated the AATIP/AAWSAP says that AATIP studied UFOs. In a tweet dated 8 December 2019, Las Vegas journalist George Knapp cited former Senator Harry Reid as recently stating:

"AATIP was my program. One can say whatever, but the truth is it was for only one purpose - to study UFOs."

....Either BAASS was simultaneously running with the AAWSAP contract, and also conducting its own UAP investigations; or the AAWSAP work did indeed involve researching UAP. On the basis of what I have learned, I suggest that the latter is true, which is contrary to recent statements from Pentagon spokesperson Susan L Gough.

So we can go with Harry Reid's word or we can't. His own lack of transparency and unwillingness to back up his words with solid proof is telling. He won't clarify things with bonafide documentation (like TTSA) and chooses George Knapp as his mouthpiece (like TTSA).

Zondo is supposed to have been point man for UFO reports as Program Director Program Element Manager of AATIP. George Knapp even then leaked a document that said Zondo was a Special Agent [not a Program Director of AATIP]. All it proved was that he was copied into a letter that claimed AATIP was an "unclassified nickname" if the document is even genuine.

We have yet to see anything beyond the TTSA stage managed Nimitz story and the 3 debatable videos released either legally or not. Reid said 80% of the information is freely available on his pet project. But again didn't tell anyone where to find it. Why do they make big claims and release very little to confirm anything? This is not the actions or a legitimate bonafide company. Are they just in it for entertainment and to see how many people can be manipulated by social media and sound bites?

Why people trust any of this bunch of goons and/or the Pentagon spokespeople I don't know?

It's a long time since Tom claimed a general told him

"....we found a life form".....

Not one journalist has ever delved further into this since Dec 2017.

posted on Dec, 27 2019 @ 06:16 PM
a reply to: ConfusedBrit


Levanda sees the phenomena through occult tinted glasses, they haven't moved on much from what the Nazis did.

Scientists, Rock stars and writers attempting a new hipper version of Thelmaturgy...trying to effectuate ritual. Isn't looking for a UFO manifestation from another dimension the same thing as looking for an angel from another dimension to manifest a miracle?

He bangs on about not being about Ancient Aliens, but then he is all about Ancient Aliens

posted on Dec, 28 2019 @ 03:18 PM
One thing that convinces me that TTSA is another government FAKE ufo group is the fact that they like many others aren’t doing the work necessary to actually investigate UFOs.

They are fantasizing about the SCI-FI technology of warp drives and antigravity travel, rather than gathering the research tools necessary to investigate the phenomenon.

But clearly, they aren’t a ufo investigatory group and nobody thought they were.

Remember TTSA was supposed to be a disclosure group. ("we saw a life form")

The reality is that any ufo investigatory group needs a lot of money. Ask Bigelow about that. How he was fleeced in the NIDS era.

The only real hope with TTSA was that it was going to disclose some secrets. Not reinvent ufology.

As of now, unless there is merit to the Hillary Clinton/ John Podesta conspiracy, the disclosure idea is dead.

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posted on Dec, 29 2019 @ 08:18 PM
Excellent critique of TTSA by a Young Gun:

The biggest issue I’ve found is the lack of scientific evidence being provided, and that it is inversely proportional to the kinds of claims being made by almost everyone in the group.

What I mean by that is this: you have the CEO talking about how a high ranking general told him that we found an alien body during the cold war. You also have one of the top scientists who worked for TTSA’s partner company Earth Tech Intl, Dr. Eric Davis, discussing how Atlantis may be real and that Philip Corso’s claims checks out according to his personal investigations.

Further, I recently released ~80% of a scientific report that was done on TTSA’s bismuth magnesium metal alloys which were conducted 7 years ago. Neither Dr. Puthoff or Dr. Davis have ever acknowledged this report or the scientist that Dr. Puthoff had given the metals to for analysis
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posted on Dec, 29 2019 @ 08:30 PM
Tic Tac.....?

posted on Dec, 29 2019 @ 08:32 PM
Hmmm... interesting scary if true....

posted on Dec, 29 2019 @ 09:28 PM
ascender 175 is V shaped ala Phoenix Lights shape, not tic tac

posted on Dec, 29 2019 @ 10:39 PM
Young Gun Critique:

Unfortunately, they have produced no hard science of any kind and have produced only entertainment, which UFOlogy is already saturated with. If TTSA is serious about reaching the widest possible audience, they will become darlings of the science world who currently guard the majority of the world’s world-views.

posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 01:03 PM
a reply to: celltypespecific

That tweet is gone with the wind.

Since her return to Twitter, Pasulka has taken to deleting her tweets a la DeLonge - a total bull# move that has destroyed her credibility in my eyes. And I was once a big fan of hers.

Games, games and more games.

posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 05:43 PM

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: celltypespecific

That tweet is gone with the wind.

Since her return to Twitter, Pasulka has taken to deleting her tweets a la DeLonge - a total bull# move that has destroyed her credibility in my eyes. And I was once a big fan of hers.

Games, games and more games.

Tweet and delete, post then it's toast.....

Seems to be a recurrent theme with certain people.

Meanwhile, speaking metaphorically, we still don't even know if Captain Pugwash was really in charge of the Black Pig. Whilst the Young Guns have only blanks left to fire.

I wonder what 2020 vision will bring us?

posted on Dec, 30 2019 @ 05:47 PM
a reply to: mirageman

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