Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

The big question is whether TDL from Jump Street planned this caper for his own financial schemes or does he legitimately have an interest in the subject.

And why did the secret boys hook up with him

Of course, my old conspiracy theory revolves around these same old characters, Puthoff, Green, et al and the new Richard Doty-- Zondo, are and still exist to besmirch UFOlogy. Delonge’s just is another person they are using to further this angle.

Of course, then one has to give TDL a little cred since he is as cynical as they are in that he merges his scheme with their sinister long going scheme of disinformation.

One dirty hand washes the other

a reply to: Willtell

I hear ya, dude.

IMO, Tom is a useful idiot. The Travis Barker interview on Rogan’s podcast tells it all about TDL.

@MM: It’s no secret I’m one of your fanboys, having said that, damn, you put in some work with this 2.0 thread and I really hope everyone participating reminds you of how baller you are.

Dude, with all sincerity, you are a really ringer of a researcher. Altruism is a fallacy, but I’ll be damned if this research isn’t something approaching it... *beef, stops rimming, MM*

Keep on, keeping on

Yes, great work yet again from Mirageman, who could not be further away from 'mirage men' like Dick Doty - who Zondo does indeed seem to be using as a role-model.

The Truth isn't Out There, it's In Here. And if Zondo & Co are reading it - which they most certainly will be - hopefully it will serve as the grand kick in the vitals they need to shape-up and make 2019 a year of their own survival with at least "something" to offer the masses other than announcements of forthcoming announcements of forthcoming announcements of forthcoming announcements of forthcoming announcements... and bad pulp sci-fi from their 'Entertainment' sector.

But then the whole enterprise is officially an Entertainment. Tickets for the Skinwalker Fairground Ride may soon be on sale, too.

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

Absolutely, mm should get the UFO prize that DeLonge got for the threads here for exposing with facts TTSA's fraud

a reply to: mirageman

Nicely done.

However, it was pretty evident from the start that this whole endeavor had BS written all over it. It was disappointing to see certain people go to bat for Delonge with this bs.

posted on Oct, 16 2017 @ 09:51 AM


I'm not sure why anyone is expecting anything to come from this besides a money grab?

Secondly, A clear sign of a scam is Hype followed by big announcements that never materialize. Instead the big announcements turn out to be an announcement about needing money.

Quickly from the top of my head before I head out the door:
1. Why the hype:

If you have proof about Alien visitation you don't need any hype whatsoever, zilch . All you have todo is put it on youtube at no cost to you and it will spread like wild fire. Tom has it even easier since he has access to the media and important people. If he came out and said here is the proof, even ISIS would be paying attention. Proof of Alien visitation or their existence would be the biggest announcement ever in humanities existence. It requires no hype.

The only time you require hype is when you don't have the good, as has been demonstrated

2. Business endeavor:
Tom is not setting up a non profit organization as far as I know, he is setting up businesses. As a business he is looking to make money. Nothing wrong with that , but that is what it is. You don't start a business to help other you start a business to make money. If you want to help others or better mankind do a non for profit.

His published books and expected movies and documentaries to come are all business endeavors and not non profit organizations. Again nothing wrong with starting a business to make money.

3. Non of his business endeavors are needed for disclosure:
We have this thing called the INTERNET. He could have published all his materials and proof on the INTERNET for very little money if not for free. Heck he could have even made money by ad revenue or click revenue from just traffic to his site. So he could have made some money on his part with just giving away his material. However that is not as lucrative as book deals,movie deals, and documentaries.

Again these are all business endeavors on his part. It is clear he is not looking to give away any information for free. Nothing wrong with that, but don't mislead people or suggest its a way to recoup his expenses when in this day an age. It not only cost you nothing to publish, but you could actually make some money by giving away the information for free as well. No book deals , movies, or documentaries are required for disclosure.

4. Financing.
I have owned a business and understand how much work and money it takes to start an endeavor. So I have no problem with raising capital.

However, he is not being forthcoming about selling his endeavors as purely businesses. He has no product to sell but hope ,with not enough data for you to do your due diligence with a no money back guarantee.

5. Contact with key personnel:
Greer had contact with key people and actually convinced them to come forward to congress at no cost to anyone.

In addition, unlike Greer TD is famous and his reach to powerful people is just a call away.
In my opinion he hasn't even done as much as Greer to date.



6. ATS ramblings and Social Media:
He has done no service in adding credibility to himself during his AMA here or with his Social media accounts by posting known hoaxes.

7. He has money.
Why? Enough money is relative. He is no where near Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Larry Ellison , etc when it comes to money and yet they are all still doing things to make more money. Also TD had stated in an early interview before all this UFO stuff about having the aspiration to be a Mogul.

I can go on but I see nothing to get excited about with any of his endeavors to date. All I see is Business.

Actually I see the same methods used by other UFO charlatans before him. In my opinion the Best case scenario is that he is unaware that he is getting played.

Checked in on the old thread and ending up here...left a note because I can’t find the ‘subscribe’ button.

I'm put to shame by all the research and effort MM does in these threads -- I don't even put that much effort into my job!

TTSA have not (as they promised) come out with anything new since their initial unveiling and tic tac video. If they had anything else, I'd think it would be revealed long before now to try and keep that cash flow/stock raising effort going. I was hopeful, but now don't expect anything new. You can only dangle the carrot for a certain amount of time before it's realized the carrot leads to...nothing. It's just a carrot.

I have the utmost respect for George Knapp, but even so him saying he knows all this stuff but "can't talk about it" is frustrating.

I've always been blunt and straightforward in my communication and have little patience for games or beating around the bush. I just can't fathom the secrecy and convoluted way many in the UFO field approach the topic. Just come out and friggin' tell what you know, or just shut up!

a reply to: vlawde

I have the utmost respect for George Knapp, but even so him saying he knows all this stuff but "can't talk about it" is frustrating.

I really used to respect George Knapp as a straight shooting investigative journalist, but his association with Coast 2 Coast and George Noory soured it for me.

George Noory is the biggest donk ever. I can't respect anyone connected with that charalatan.

Revisiting on of MMs posts from the previous thread that didnt really get much traction but was still very interesting was a comment that Zondo made at the MUFON symposium;

Quotes from Jason Colavito;

The piece concluded with Elizondo saying that he saw Ukrainians at a MUFON conference he attended. He concluded that they must be connected to Ukraine’s archenemy, Russia, and therefore Russian intelligence operatives spying on him to gain his UFO secrets. Even taking his claim at face value, there is a long history of the Russian and Soviet governments, as well as the U.S. government, examining UFO reports for insights into the other country’s advanced military and space programs, since both used UFO reports as a convenient cover for test flights and to obscure failures.

Source

Now this is interesting of course in terms of spying etc etc etc, but I think the answer to all this nonsense actually lies in the last paragraph of that quote.

It does from Zondo's perspective, make me wonder why he mentioned it at all, if not to just add more "gravitas" to what he was saying and how much fun / danger being a super secret agent is.

a reply to: olaru12

I still like and respect George Knapp. He is a professional journalist and a good interviewer and I give him a lot of kudos for making crazy stories like UFOs a bit more acceptable in the mainstream.

But this past year or so he's been getting some flack from those outside of the TTSA appreciation group for signing NDAs and sitting on information for years. Sure a journalist protects his sources but not information. Not for years on end anyway. Of course his involvement with TTSA goes back years when DeLonge was speaking to him and asking for advice. Whilst he may not be linked to TTSA in any kind of official capacity he has become a media publicist for them. The problem is that this is being presented as news.

Let's not forget the early days when Tom told George - "we found a lifeform"....



That all changed once the world of TTS & AAS, ASS WAP and of course Commander Sex Favors entered the story.

a reply to: mirageman

I've had a thought.

What if Elizondo isn't short of clothes. Instead, they either filmed it all over one day. Or they shot it out of order, and the same clothes were required for continuity. because of reshoots? We know at least one video was edited and re-uploaded twice.

I mean, that's quite damning in terms of the authenticity of the footage but it seems plausible?

a reply to: ctj83

Ahh, a misrepresentation of the timeliness then, rather than a joke about his clothes? Interesting...

Or he's just an old military guy thay has a wardrobe full of the same coloured stuff in a row....military people can be like that..

Interesting really if you look at all the groups, TTSA, Nolan & Vallee, Firmage etc etc etc..

It's almost like a fight between the different hypotheses ; IDH,ETH and the EDH that some of these groups possibly represent or actually believe in.

Will be interesting to see what comes of Kaviats law suit if anything too..

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: ctj83

Ahh, a misrepresentation of the timeliness then, rather than a joke about his clothes? Interesting...

Or he's just an old military guy thay has a wardrobe full of the same coloured stuff in a row....military people can be like that..

The Men Who Stare at Coats?

How does Richard Doty fit in here?

I thought he was a "disinfo agent" who had the job to convince the world that UFOs are just in our heads and unreal.

But now he makes these statements:

Interview

The USG had a special program to hide the most secretive research program of the USAF. During that time period, the USAF was developing extremely advanced aircraft. The USG sometimes released information from a third party to hint the secretive aircraft observed was possibly a UFO. That was part of a disinformation program.

The Roswell incident of 1947 involved two ET crafts. Both apparently collided with each other above the skies of New Mexico during a lightning storm in June 1947. One craft broke up. Part of that craft landed northwest of Roswell. Other parts of the craft landed near Corona, NM. The second craft landed above Horse Mesa, west of Magdalena, NM. The first craft was found in early July 1947. One live Alien was recovered from that craft. The second craft wasn’t found until 1949 because of the remoteness of the location.

I was never briefed into all the information on this subject. I just knew we recovered one live alien from the Corona crash site. It lived until 1952. The Alien was named Ebe for Extra biological Entity. The Alien was from a planet in the Zeta Reticuli, Star System.

I worked in the intelligence service from 1978 until 1988. I was trained to conduct counterintelligence and counterespionage operations. I followed orders and did my job. One of my jobs was to develop assets within the news media. We recruited news personnel to provide the intelligence community with information about local air force bases. We sometimes paid those assets to provide information.

We are on course for a disclosure. However, there are many obstacles in the way. Mainly, the USG past secrecy of the UFO program that muddy the waters in a release operation.

My secrecy oath was for a 25 year period. That time frame is over.


@mirageman
What is your opinion on the UFO phenomenon? Is there a non-human influence (paranormal, ET or what have you) on our planet?
I think this is an important basic question. Because if the answer is YES, then I think TTSA deserves credit for at least trying. If the answer is NO, then of course they deserve all criticism imaginable.

TTSA seems to be about to deliver more food for discussion: Recently, Tom DeLonge on Instagram

I find they are doing quite well in the entertainment department so far. Following them and all the ensuing discussions is quite fascinating :-)

And I am adding the following from another thread, because in my opinion it is the best take on TTSA.
Grant Cameron explains what "plausible deniability" is in the context of TTSA:

a reply to: mirageman

From Kal Korff in the Young Guns Facebook group:

BREAKING NEWS! Famed TV Producer and Investigative Journalist Robert Kiviat's LAWSUIT against CIA Scientist Disinfo Specialist Ron Pandolfi, Joe Firmage and others HAS BEEN FILED IN Orange County, California and WILL BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SHORTLY. BOB KIVIAT WILL JOIN ME ON MY RADIO SHOW TONIGHT, KAL'S KORNER, ON XZBN.net, FOR EXCLUSIVE INFORMATION. I will post the link as soon as I have it! Developing...

a reply to: SacredLore

Short answer? He doesn't...

He is just an example of some some of the old guard and or cast characters from older ufology that's struggling to remain relevant, which is why they pop up every so often regurgitating the same old BUT with something you've never heard before!!!!!! All nonsense of course..

The truth in that statement is that of course the USG would use or hang on to an alien story to hide classified projects and have done. This is where ufology trips itself up. Ufology demands the end of the cover up and disclosure of "alienz" when in fact the "alienz" are mostly the cover story for something else, classified projects / testing etc.

Ufology does a much better job of covering ups stuff for the USG than it realises, due to the insane illness and need to want to believe,ironic huh!

a reply to: mirageman

It's hard to take DeLonge seriously, this is a man who made a underage sex joke on stage, asking a girl for a permission slip from her mom.

It's all about the money. I don't buy into these financial ventures when it comes to UFO's, I saw my first one Tuesday night and I didn't go running to CNN and say "I saw a UFO I want ten large for my story."

Ufology should be a learning experience, not an exploit.

a reply to: SacredLore

What is your opinion on the UFO phenomenon? Is there a non-human influence (paranormal, ET or what have you) on our planet? I think this is an important basic question. Because if the answer is YES, then I think TTSA deserves credit for at least trying. If the answer is NO, then of course they deserve all criticism imaginable.

If I may answer

Of course mm will give you his own answer

The answer is yes there is a paranormal-(IDH LIKELY )Presence but the government doesn’t know anything. They can’t do anything about it. The UFOs are too elusive.

TTSA is a harmless sideshow and will likely not get any legitimate information because they don’t have the resources to do it. If the government doesn’t and can’t figure it out how is TTSA going to do that


BTW...Thanks for the Cameron link