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Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


Indeed, we have to determine the conspiracy of men versus the reality of conditioning responses or maybe what we can term nature running its perverted course...Pavlov's dog, fallen man syndrome.

That’s not easy to do




posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

I suppose it doesn't matter if it's myth or not, it's whether it's believed that's more important and that's probably the whole point.

Social engineering at its finest...



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
What has this to do with UFOs? ... so vaguely on topic.


But the film did have a moon buggy.

Celty = Lue? Well Celty sure does advertise for TTSA. And doesn't the following sound like something Lue would say:


originally posted by: celltypespecific

Excellent point...it has to do with the fact that revealing the high definition version of the original Tic Tac would reveal classified info to Russia or China as to the operation of the Radar/ FLIR1 camera that capture the video.

But yes...
There is indeed several versions of the Tic-Tac video longer and higher definition.



originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
if I hear the name "Nimitz" again, I may well projectile-vomit.


Now Brit, for the serious part...

Is David Fravor lying about the existing "tic tac" video being all the footage that was taken?

Do you think David Fravor is telling the truth when he says the "gimbal" UAP is rotating?
Or do you think he is a liar?



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: spiritualarchitect




Speaking of personal issues... someone said Celty posted a comment and suddenly The Final Theory showed up. So would you still throw up if you knew that Celty was actually Lue?


Yes. And then I would lobby for an SEC investigation of TTSA.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 05:19 PM
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Yep this guy certainly fits the perfect profile for what TTSA want in a supporter. Tweets all day about them. Has a great Euro sounding name too instead of using his real name Andrew F. Stool.

Even if that shot is a good one of Lue from a toilet ad.



Here's what someone else says about these guys.....




posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 09:29 PM
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Be careful my dear friends and please don't fall prey to QAnon....



QAnon and UFO Conspiracies Are Merging




QAnon conspiracy theorists think UFO believers are easy marks, and, in the absence of new Q posts, some of its followers have turned to UFOs.




Disinformation experts say that the intersection of conspiracy theories is common, and can be particularly dangerous.





www.vice.com...

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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 10:54 PM
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Be careful my dear friends and please don't fall prey to QAnon...



You don’t have to worry about none of us, my friend.


All this is, ironically, done by the deep state itself to make any idea of a deep state ridiculous just as TTSA is doing to ufology.

The true deep state is doing a Michael Corleone as he did in Godfather I by taking out ALL their enemies in one fell swoop: Ufology and the conspiracy theorists of the left and right.

One had to look closely and see how around the time of Trump's advent many of the conspiracy sites went right over to racist propaganda and alt-right dogma. Alex Jones, for instance, Red Ice creations for another. What were they before that: both deep state conspiracy sites.

And then the left started to hate Russia and the right started to love Russia.

Just a glimpse of what’s really going on. I won’t go too far here at this time.

Anyway...As for Q and ufos, that was predictable since the idea is to destroy both ideologies for all time: ufology and deep state conspiracy ideas.

One, deep state conspiracy, litter it with right-wing garbage, and the other littered with all kinds of garbage including TTSA.

Boy, what a job well done.



posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 11:02 PM
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originally posted by: celltypespecific
Be careful my dear friends and please don't fall prey to QAnon....



QAnon and UFO Conspiracies Are Merging




QAnon conspiracy theorists think UFO believers are easy marks, and, in the absence of new Q posts, some of its followers have turned to UFOs.




Disinformation experts say that the intersection of conspiracy theories is common, and can be particularly dangerous.





www.vice.com...


Thanks for the heads up on the Dumb Guns latest desperate attempt to smear anyone not in their propaganda cult.
No one here cares about Q, the 'old bums' don't care about their obvious and lame attempt at trying stain us with Q lol...

PS/ lmfao at TDL "we aren't a UFO group" what an epic joke he really is.

Maybe he read my post 6 months ago about having a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders to stop selling UFO bull# or they'll end up in a white collar cell. They fell back on (as I predicted) 'we are entertainment and we are gonna get all snuggled up all cuddly wuddly with the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX'. How utterly badass rocker rebel of him that back peddling statement was.
He is clearly compromised and and an asset with no voice. Silenced.

Disclosure? lolololol

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posted on Oct, 29 2019 @ 11:19 PM
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Anyone want to watch the 'ol classic Black and White version of this Agency project? Was their project, still is their project.




It was CIA's responsibility by statute to coordinate the intelligence effort required to solve the problem. Smith also wanted to know what use could be made of the UFO phenomenon in connection with US psychological warfare efforts.

www.cia.gov...

1952
Elliptical tic tac UFO's on film - check
Released by the Airforce after pinching some frames stating 'we aren't saying it's ufo's 90% are explainable but this falls into that 10% of unidentified' - check
Presented to Congress - check
Presented to the CIA enquiry in to UFOs - check
Classified as a potential threat and considered part of psychological warfare - check

Nick Mariana UFO Footage - Great Falls, Montana - 1950 and UTAH


OH look what the Agency and Airforce said back in 1952....


Agency officials accepted the Air Force's conclusions about UFO reports, although they concluded that "since there is a remote possibility that they may be interplanetary aircraft, it is necessary to investigate each sighting."
Wait was that disclosure before TTSA? Whaaaat?

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posted on Oct, 30 2019 @ 12:57 AM
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Hey everyone, just came outside my bunker after 2 weeks of eating boiled squirrels and binge watching every bear grylls and doomsday preppers episode out there, Because the world would blow as tdl said.

Alas my toilet paper finished and i came out to buy some sandpaper. So the world didnt end? Where is the prophet tdl? What did i miss?



TTsa narrative will at some point throw out there that these things are demonic,Will the # hit the fan then or what. Btw at some point they will have to deliver aswell. Will they soon?or will the movement fizzle before that?



posted on Oct, 30 2019 @ 04:26 AM
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a reply to: IMSAM

Don't worry they can spin this out for years with more clickbait and foreshadowing announcements INVEST NOW.

A few more hollow contracts to come yet too, I'm sure.



posted on Oct, 30 2019 @ 08:30 AM
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This is the exact blueprint Zazz. They even made their own movie called "The UFO"....



They did exactly the same thing. It featured filmed interviews with witnesses.



They would also put them on the talk radio shows of the time. Unfortunately even back then you could bring an irritating friend along.



They also found bits that fell off UFOs...



posted on Oct, 30 2019 @ 12:52 PM
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The entertainment aspect of TTSA is interesting. Is it a smokescreen, or is it just a money-making part of the “consortium”?

Or maybe both. I have posted that any serious research effort to study UFOs will not be served well by an entertainment branch of any group, and I still believe that.

I mean what does that mean? Is Zondo and others going to start tap dancing?

Are they going to make another singing group, maybe called the UFOs? Oh, excuse me, the UAPs.


As for the legal issues, probably in the small writing lawyer's makeup when investors sent their money and have to sign, we don’t know what they signed on for, so I doubt they may have any legal ramifications, but you never know one of the investors can sue them.


MM and zazz I believe are refuting TTSA or TDLs hype about they got the armed services to fess up that there are ufos, something that was done decades ago.

TDL so much reminds me of someone else and their hype machine.



posted on Oct, 30 2019 @ 12:57 PM
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HiFire;



Hypersonic International Flight Research Experimentation Program - "HiFire" for short - is a collaboration between the USAF Research Labs and the Defence Science Technology Organisation out of Austrailia.
They are essentially doing R&D into Hypersonic flight and testing phases of different sorts of technology.

Whats interesting is that one of the three islands which is near the original Nimitz sighting - that the carrier group travelled through the middle of; that I have covered in some detail in previous pages and posts is used to launch experimental drones.

San Nicholas Island is the main island where these sorts of experiments take place and where these drones and experimental technologies are launched from. HiFire 6 is actually quite an interesting platform, its long, white, minty, travelled at Mach 8 and has wing-lets on it too...



However The dates don't match up though and the platform would have only been airborne for a number of minutes before crashing into the ocean, as it was test launched from SAN NICHOLAS ISLAND in late 2016. The point here is that it may not account for the sightings and videos of the Nimitz. What should not be discounted is that there are tests such as this in that specific area, so its a prime example here of a location that has tested such platforms for a long time. If any of that Pro TTSA group that plan to go out that way and "record" UAP's in the sky, they will probably get something on camera all things considered.

There are other documented examples where similar experimental technologies have been launched and tracked by US Naval ships. Most notably the USS Monterey and USS Ramage back in 2011.
Source

HiFire 6 2015 Status Update

Slideshow of the program and its overview#
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posted on Oct, 30 2019 @ 01:15 PM
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Excellent research, Pigsy.



originally posted by: mirageman
They also found bits that fell off UFOs...


Now we're just left with bits that fell off TDL's brain.

I re-watched the 2017 Rogan interview with Tom "whip my dick out" DeLonge - wow... it's so excruciating and painful to watch that I'm surprised this massive TTSA turkey survived Xmas 2017.


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posted on Oct, 30 2019 @ 01:21 PM
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TDL so much reminds me of someone else and their hype machine.


Like who, a Neanderthal with charcoal drawings of a tic-tac on the commoners wall of shadows?

This story is so old, what a frustrating ride. Which is why it's a good thing we have this therapy of sorts up and running strong.

Let's keep demanding more!




posted on Oct, 30 2019 @ 01:43 PM
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Its instances such as these that I wish some of the pro's from the aircraft forum here on ATS would chime in and contribute. But those guys are mostly aircraft only and I can understand why they don't venture into this "lair", hardly surprising really.

I recently listened back to the TDL Rogan interview and it really does make sense as to why Doorbell is with Fravor and Lazar in their separate interviews...looks like he's their minder to me as you could understand why they wouldn't want a repeat performance of TDL.



posted on Oct, 30 2019 @ 06:30 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
The entertainment aspect of TTSA is interesting. Is it a smokescreen, or is it just a money-making part of the “consortium”?

Or maybe both.

Neither.



posted on Oct, 30 2019 @ 08:25 PM
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I did not really speak about my experiences for many years, decades.. having sightings long before my military experience.. even whole town when i was a teen. but, somehow i always knew it was not e.t.

People don't want to even talk about this side of it, that it could just be evil.. it is like you are labeled a quack and flamed right away, no matter your real experiences... they don't want to hear it.. lol.. it is crazy...

it is like trying to explain to people the technology we really have and that they could have free energy tomorrow if the powers that be wanted to give it up, but we all know that is never going to happen, ever...

Or to talk about the fact governments and even C church have hidden evidence, actual bones of Giant's all around the world for hundreds of years, why... simple.. you can't have genetically different tribes of giant's around the world in the evolutionary chain, it literally disproves evolution and proves the biblical narrative...

They will never let these things be known... ever.... same with bigfoot, all these things are tied together... they control the narrative... if you think that video saw the light of day and they did not want it released i have some swamp land to sell you lol....

My statement before is more valid than you realize... they are all disinfo bs... why, none of them disclose or even acknowledge we have had a crash recovery protocol in place for decades and they should know that and if you are sincere about disclosing things that would be the lead off... why, because there are thousands of us in military that were caught up in this protocol...



posted on Oct, 30 2019 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: dlbott
I did not really speak about my experiences for many years, decades.. having sightings long before my military experience.. even whole town when i was a teen. but, somehow i always knew it was not e.t.

People don't want to even talk about this side of it, that it could just be evil.. it is like you are labeled a quack and flamed right away, no matter your real experiences... they don't want to hear it.. lol.. it is crazy...

it is like trying to explain to people the technology we really have and that they could have free energy tomorrow if the powers that be wanted to give it up, but we all know that is never going to happen, ever...

Or to talk about the fact governments and even C church have hidden evidence, actual bones of Giant's all around the world for hundreds of years, why... simple.. you can't have genetically different tribes of giant's around the world in the evolutionary chain, it literally disproves evolution and proves the biblical narrative...

They will never let these things be known... ever.... same with bigfoot, all these things are tied together... they control the narrative... if you think that video saw the light of day and they did not want it released i have some swamp land to sell you lol....

My statement before is more valid than you realize... they are all disinfo bs... why, none of them disclose or even acknowledge we have had a crash recovery protocol in place for decades and they should know that and if you are sincere about disclosing things that would be the lead off... why, because there are thousands of us in military that were caught up in this protocol...

Oh for **** sakes. Now we’ve got bible thumpers clogging up the thread.
Just when it was getting interesting again with the idea they’ve done this disinformation campaign before...and will do it again.




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