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Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

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posted on Oct, 21 2019 @ 10:53 PM
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A perfect response to this likely disinformation operation( TTSA) to smear ufology into the ground of disrepute.


One of my early speculations was that TTSA was an operation to make ufology look stupid, dishonest, and FAKE. You know sort of like our present president.


TTSA here at the same time as he will cement this disrepute into the minds of the people for all time.

TRUMP ERA= TTSA

It operates on a layer of the mind or consciousness that is not apparent.


Perfect body blow to the ongoing government smear campaign on Ufology.




posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 07:49 AM
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So the story so far on these meta-materials.....

In 2017 Bigelow was building a warehouse to keep these materials in. But then.....

Last year Zondo went on a road trip eventually delivering something to Hoff where he locked them away in a cabinet near his office window.

TTSA paid the Hoff's company $35k to test the magic meta-materials in Oct 2018. So far no results published. Did they get a refund?

Because then Tom DeLonge paid himself $35k for materials which weren't his in the first place but were given to Art Bell who gave them to Linda Moulten Howe. Who we assume gave them to Tom..Or maybe this is different material?

Now TTSA have announced they are in a partnership with the Army to test material...with "...no public funding going to the group[TTSA]..."

Bloomberg have a statement from the Pentagon...


The Army research relationship came about through Luis Elizondo....Elizondo was a military intelligence officer who claims to have been involved with the Defense Intelligence Agency’s secretive Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.

The Pentagon said Monday he was a supervisory intelligence specialist in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence from 2008 to 2017, when he resigned. But Elizondo had no assigned responsibilities in the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program and was not assigned or detailed to the Defense intelligence Agency, Pentagon spokeswoman Sue Gough wrote in an email statement.



So in conclusion. We have a company who appear to not really know what they are doing? They sell mugs, T-shirts, books and CDs. They also test materials that no one is really sure what they are and they have a head of Global Security who lied on his CV about his previous job.

Invest now.



posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

I'll also add that regarding the materials that are banded around now, particularly the images do not look anything like the arts parts pieces, that I can recall.

Whats interesting is that TDL on Joe Rogan stated that it "wasn't the piece from arts parts" that loses its mass if bombarded with THZ, this was a separate piece that was from a crash in 1948.

Which contradicts (surprise) all the hoohaa at the moment. The arts parts has always been nonsense and I think purpose misdirection by TTSA.

TDL believes "the 1948 piece" was German tech launched from Argentina based on alien technology and the Germans were 100 years ahead of anyone else.

I mean, I've just remortgaged the house to invest lol



posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: celltypespecific

Show me the analysis of this with the isotopic ratios... With no data it's heresay.. It's like me saying, "Cellty, your kit green or a student of" without evidence, data or facts, it's merely hearsay, conjecture, opinion, rumor and innuendo.

All you are doing here and in other threads is regurgitating headlines and TTSAs marketing drivel, which also has no substance, evidence or data to backup anything they have claimed.

Some Challenges for you...

1) what's your opinion?
So, you tell people to be critical thinkers right? Do some critical thinking, formulate your own opinion and put it on the table.

2) what do you believe is the best piece if evidence thay TTSA has put forward and why?

3) If you don't want to answer, why not?
It's really time to go hard or go home on this topic as you will ultimately end up here jist talking to yourself...


Pigsy.....

You can't argue with facts, you seem rather perturbed that TTSA is making progress.

FACT:
1. US NAVY has declared videos displayed by TTSA are indeed UFOs
2. US ARMY has signed a legally binding cooperative agreement with TTSA
3. US Senators and Congressmen have been briefed on UFOs/UAPs
4. US NAVY has formally updated their UAP/UFO reporting guidelines

My opinion as I have stated on multiple occasions is I believe Fravor's testimony about the Tic-Tac, I do believe that UAPs are indeed real. That's as far as I can go on the subject.

The best piece of evidence that TTSA has bought forward are eyewitness accounts from ACTIVE DUTY FIGHTER PILOTS:
1. Lt. Graves
2. Lt. Accoin
3. Eight other Fighter Pilots from Nimtz including Commander Fravor
4. Gimbal, Go fast, and Flir1 videos

The reason why I can't simply dismiss TTSA and claim "conspiracy...gobbament psyops" and all the other nonsense is:

1. Steve Justice
2. Chris Mellon

The other characters (Putoff, Semivan) are questionable.

Welcome to Phase 2 of The Disclosure Project lets all work together for more transparency.

Its such a beautiful day



posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: celltypespecific

Why does the presence of Mellon and Justice make you think this is not a government psyop?

And your list supporting progress is laughable.

1. No one ever disputed that there are unidentified objects in U.S. airspace. No one. Ever. Not even the most hardcore skeptic.

2. This is nothing but a vague marketing agreement.

3. You have absolutely no idea what went on in these briefings. They could have been detailed explanations that UAPs are top secret government projects. Or everything about UFOs have been a smokescreen to root out foreign spies. You have no idea.

4. These guidelines were updated several years back before TTSA existed. This was a tweaking of those updates. TTSA had very little to do with this.

Even if all four of your spurious assertions were true this would be the lamest set of accomplishments to brag about. Hardly a great leap forward in Disclosure. All of it pales in comparison to even that nutjob Greer's achievements.
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posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: coursecatalog


All of it pales in comparison to even that nutjob Greer's achievements. 


Greer is a strange one , but then this is UFOland. Anything goes!

Cellty is a jolly one.😁


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posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 09:48 AM
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‘The potential damage to the US Army’s reputation if TTSA can’t deliver anything is significant, so they must be very, very sure that there’s something to all this.

Therefore, the significance of this research and development agreement cannot be overstated.’



metro.co.uk...



posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: celltypespecific

Dr Sarfatti is busy with all this stuff too. Am sure a lot of vines are buzzing.




posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: pigsy2400


Whats interesting is that TDL on Joe Rogan stated that it "wasn't the piece from arts parts" that loses its mass if bombarded with THZ, this was a separate piece that was from a crash in 1948. Which contradicts (surprise) all the hoohaa at the moment. The arts parts has always been nonsense and I think purpose misdirection by TTSA. TDL believes "the 1948 piece" was German tech launched from Argentina based on alien technology and the Germans were 100 years ahead of anyone else.


EXCELLENT WORK PIGSY2400....!!!! I am impressed someone is actually paying attention!!!
Your analysis is 100% correct.



posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: celltypespecific

I am not perturbed at all...a misrepresentation of facts portrayed by anyone to fit their own narrative and or agenda however does.

Objects flying around that are not identified is nothing new. Just because the US Navy admitting that the objects in the video are unknowns doesn't automatically give credibility to TTSA or indeed ufology in general.

The US Army agreement is on the surface a very interesting development until you look further into what that agreement actually means. Do you own your own company? If you do, you too can apply through the SBIR.

They may be in possession of something interesting (or sneaked out of skunkworks, which is highly more likely than "da alienz") but again, this doesn't give it credibility until scientific data is presented.

Which briefings are we talking about? They have happened over the course of the last few years BEFORE and AFTER TTSAs inception... The last episode of Unidentified was clearly a hackjob of editing to get the Bro hugging in there, if you know anything about editing a TV series and how it goes to the broadcasting partners it's obvious considering the timelines.

The Navy guidelines were due for renewal anyway and had indeed been drafted a while ago, in fact that long ago that TTSA cannot take credit for it as it was before they existed.

Eye witness testimony is indeed interesting and I'll admit the most interesting part of all of this. But again, there are issues with this also...ask Kevin Day who now by all accounts is the new member of the X Men franchise.

If your Basing disclosure on videos of "blobs" then you'll need to do better. Speaking of Chris Mellon, why didn't he get/bring the satellite data from the other organisation he was involved in with Leslie keane...?

Stating you can't say mote or state your opinion is also laughable. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and no-ones arsehole is classified.



posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 10:23 AM
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Why does the presence of Mellon and Justice make you think this is not a government psyop?

The answer to your question is self-evident.




1. No one ever disputed that there are unidentified objects in U.S. airspace. No one. Ever. Not even the most hardcore skeptic.


Ask avg. Joe if UFO exist....he/she would laugh in your face...

So yes my Dear Courecatolog it was imperative for avg. joe to hear from a source of "authority" that UFOs do indeed exist.
I should not have to explain such a mundane point to you.




2. This is nothing but a vague marketing agreement.


So why is it that not every Tom Dick and Harry waving around their CRADA's....please don't be silly... you know better.





3. You have absolutely no idea what went on in these briefings. They could have been detailed explanations that UAPs are top secret government projects. Or everything about UFOs have been a smokescreen to root out foreign spies. You have no idea.


Actually I do know....and will leave it at that


And its such a wonderful day


WELCOME TO PHASE 2 OF THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT
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posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: pigsy2400




Just because the US Navy admitting that the objects in the video are unknowns doesn't automatically give credibility to TTSA or indeed ufology in general.


Yes it does.... remember Dear Pigsy24000 the target audience is not ATSers...or Ufologist....its Avg. Joe/Janet....
You have to view the current unfolding through different lens/filter... TTSA does not care about Ufology... They want to connect to the youth and mainstream public....thus US Navy proclaiming UFOs are real gets PICKED UP by mainstream media...

Do you understand...?



The US Army agreement is on the surface a very interesting development until you look further into what that agreement actually means. Do you own your own company? If you do, you too can apply through the SBIR.


This is actually the biggest news of the TTSA drama.
1. Independent confirmation/rejection of claimed meta-materials
2. Yes I know the process of applying for grants...trust me if I were a small start up I would love to have access to resources, equipment to perform validation.
3. I work with the gov. they would not go through this process if TTSA did not have strong supporting data.


As a researcher it's ok to re-evaluate your position and course-correct based on new data which is what most individuals on this thread refuse to do.




They may be in possession of something interesting (or sneaked out of skunkworks, which is highly more likely than "da alienz") but again, this doesn't give it credibility until scientific data is presented.


I agree... I don't believe in "alienz" also its not from skunkworks...the analysis would reveal skunkworks "fingerprints"..




Which briefings are we talking about? They have happened over the course of the last few years BEFORE and AFTER TTSAs inception... The last episode of Unidentified was clearly a hackjob of editing to get the Bro hugging in there, if you know anything about editing a TV series and how it goes to the broadcasting partners it's obvious considering the timelines.


A majority of the briefings occurred after the inception of TTSA this is a FACT.




The Navy guidelines were due for renewal anyway and had indeed been drafted a while ago, in fact that long ago that TTSA cannot take credit for it as it was before they existed.

Please provide a source for this claim...I have never heard this...





Eye witness testimony is indeed interesting and I'll admit the most interesting part of all of this. But again, there are issues with this also...ask Kevin Day who now by all accounts is the new member of the X Men franchise.


I don't take Kevin Day seriously... I am basing my analysis on Lt. Commander David Fravor, Lt. Accoin, and Lt. Graves....




If your Basing disclosure on videos of "blobs" then you'll need to do better


The "Blobs" that the US NAVY announce to be UFOs/UAPs..... you should know better than this Pigsy




Speaking of Chris Mellon, why didn't he get/bring the satellite data from the other organisation he was involved in with Leslie keane...?


How do you know that he didn't..? Stay tuned....




Stating you can't say mote or state your opinion is also laughable.


That's the problem with the world today....everyone has ill-formed, fantasy based opinions.....

Its such a wonderful day

Welcome to Phase 2 of The Disclosure Project



posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: celltypespecific


Actually I do know....and will leave it at that


Ok.




posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 11:57 AM
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If they are not from "alienz" and not from black projects then what are they exactly?



posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: celltypespecific

If they are not from "alienz" and not from black projects then what are they exactly?


I need more data before I can form an opinion....



posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: celltypespecific

So yes my Dear Courecatolog it was imperative for avg. joe to hear from a source of "authority" that UFOs do indeed exist.
I should not have to explain such a mundane point to you.


From patronisation to...




And its such a wonderful day


Okaaay.... ***shakes head***



I don't believe in "alienz"



So what IS your point, then? And why are you jumping up and down like a schoolgirl? What is the point of ANY of this?



Actually I do know....and will leave it at that.



Who ARE you??? Why do you keep spamming multiple threads?

It sometimes feels like multiple people are using your account.



posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: celltypespecific

Yes the crash in 1948...that was a hoax, proven to be a hoax and people were tried for fraud, Silas M. Newton and Leo A. Gebauer to be precise. They were trying to sell "alien technology" that would help find gold and oil!

They even had "alien materials", fancy that! Oh it was aluminium... You see a cycle repeating here?

Joe public may have been TTSAs audience, but so far I think it's evidenced that no-one outside of ufology actually cares and I mean no-one gives a #. Considering most of the board members are disconnected from reality, they probably foresaw them being heralded as heroes for what they were to tell the world....

Reality check; that didn't happen and the selling of non existant stock didn't raise the money needed, so maybe the USG will pay instead.



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posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I think Cellty is having fun, he sure is a happy one
.



posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 12:56 PM
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Who ARE you??? Why do you keep spamming multiple threads? It sometimes feels like multiple people are using your account


He/she/they swing wildly from hyperactive fanboy five year old to cynical condescending supervillain. Sometimes in the same post.



posted on Oct, 22 2019 @ 01:53 PM
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35 Thousand? Really!

That’s where the TTSA stock money went to.

That seems very questionable. Giving a person on what amounts to be their board of directors that kind of money smells bad to me.

And what has he produced?


Let’s say the chairman of Apple gave a contract to someone on his board of directors. Would that be kosher?

I don’t know


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