Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

None of us really know unless one had direct experience. And not just the sighting of a UFO.

We can’t KNOW from others experience. We can believe or disbelieve.

We’ll argue until the cow mutilations come home. PUN INTENDED

As I said I’m of the Vallee, John Keel school of thought.

There are enough legitimate “ufo” experientially related events to have a reasonable belief in a genuine paranormal phenomenon going on.

It’s really no big thing IMO

I’ve seen UFOs but they didn’t tell me a thing about aliens.

Someone might want to create an argument thread and discuss this from a proof or no proof debate.

One other comment on the Rabbit hole syndrome.

IN EVERY field of human endeavor, from economics, religion, science, medicine, occult, sports, whatever, there are larcenous, FAKE, insane, stupid, lying, deceiving humans who will concoct, distort, steal, lie, prevaricate and all manner of depravity

And there are perfectly honest, reliable, noble, truthful, kind and all that goodie good stuff in many people and of course people in between.

In a field like ufology just like religion and occultism and even mundane fields you'll have nefarious people. Ufology is not unique.

In all fields, humans will distort things. It’s expected

This is not philosophy or religion or opinion but an empirical FACT

BREAKING NEWS....as predicted by Bryan Bender From Politico...

I told you I was psychic!!

"Navy withholding data on UFO sightings, congressman says"
BREAKING NEWS


Also UPDATE FROM LESLIE KEAN on AATIP 9/6/19

Leslie Kean UPDATE

Recently released "UAPLetter" to the pentagon from Congressman Mark Walker

Thanks for the update.

Apparently, the ‘secret briefings’ of Senators not only included the usual threat mongering, but also hinted at alleged investments by China in ‘aerospace technologies like the recorded UAP encounters’ – a perfect mix to scare the Government into throwing money to companies like LM.

Together with the TTSA history thus far, it paints a consistent picture of people hijacking the UFO phenomenon to make money.

Can you imagine that some people in the UFO community are upset by this? It distorts and ignores six decades of investigations into the UFO phenomenon.

Six decades of investigations that put the Nimitz and Roosevelt encounters in a completely different perspective: It puts them in a list of 1300 similar pilot sightings collected over 70+ years.

a reply to: mirageman

I don't think NASA is the biggest space agency at this point, especially with regards to funding.

- An estimated 854,000 people hold top-secret security clearances.
- The publicly announced cost of the U.S. intelligence system is "$75 billion, 2½ times the size it was on Sept. 10, 2001. But the figure doesn't include many military activities or domestic counterterrorism programs."

Top Secret America

And I am still under the impression TTSA wants to bring some of those projects into the light, limited hangouts like that would be feasible in combination with the promotion of an alien threat.
The term UAV might be a hint for us, and I'm not sure it was thrown in the open without any intention at all.

Yesterday at the International UFO Congress they named Jeremy Corbell as UFO Researcher of the Year and gave George Knapp a lifetime achievement award.

This tells you all you need to know about the state of UFO research.

The Table of Contents from the second book in the non-fiction Gods, Man, War series by Tom Delonge and Peter Levenda (as leaked onto Twitter by people who paid extra for the limited edition early deluxe version)

a reply to: coursecatalog

Yesterday at the International UFO Congress they named Jeremy Corbell as UFO Researcher of the Year and gave George Knapp a lifetime achievement award. This tells you all you need to know about the state of UFO research.

Well done! Two stalwarts of a field. Their impeccable research stands alongside the giants like Meier, Greer, Wilcox and Howe. After DeLonge won it last year (or the year before) I can't think of two more deserving people.

a reply to: coursecatalog

As for the book. Seems like a bunch of new age belief systems are being touted in those chapter headings. I hope you didn't waste your cash.

Looks like they're tackling Viagra in chapter 7

originally posted by: coursecatalog
Yesterday at the International UFO Congress they named Jeremy Corbell as UFO Researcher of the Year and gave George Knapp a lifetime achievement award.

This tells you all you need to know about the state of UFO research.

One wonders what they base this award on?

Apparently they don’t base this on any degree of credible real research ability or results.

They base it on who gets the most publicity in UFOlogy. This one is worse than the TDL one.


I would imagine this UFO congress is run by ex-CIA agents or possibly ex- clowns and circus people or a combination of both.

a reply to: Willtell

George Knapp's whole career should not be judged on recent events.

His collusion with TTSA or his NDAs with Bigelow place doubt for sure. For those who have claimed there is no connection between Skinwalker Ranch and how it suddenly became registered as an entertainment franchise and TTSA which is also registered as an entertainment franchise. Then George Knapp provides that link too. There is no doubt about it. His judgement for allowing Jeremy Corbell to retell the same stories he'd told decades before seems like a foolish error with hindsight. But surely his 40 years of loyalty to KLAS TV speaks for itself. He never had ambition to go elsewhere. Obviously because he wanted to delve into the off-beat subjects he loves?

As for Corbell. Well, he got lazy and didn't do much investigation once he got his hands on Knapp's old tapes and became Bob Lazar's minder. Has Bob Lazar ever given an interview without a "minder" since 1990?

The much hyped Skinwalker movie totally flatlined because there was no new evidence. Knapp himself declared ....

... ranch in Utah, known for decades as the site of bizarre encounters, became a living lab for the study.

LasVegasNow

But Jeremy gave us nothing new. Maybe George was still under NDA and was seeing how dumb Jeremy would be? Who knows?

Should investigative journalists sign NDAs? That's another question.

As for the Bob Lazar movie. Well I think it really got under a lot of people's skin there....

Here's just one example...



It's at the 16:20 in the above.

Go to direct point in show

But it opened up the Bob Lazar story to a whole bunch of new people who might believe it.

a reply to: mirageman

As for the book. Seems like a bunch of new age belief systems are being touted in those chapter headings. I hope you didn't waste your cash.

Certainly not. Fool me once. I enjoyed Levenda's Sinister Forces series so bought the first one (Gods). It was a struggle to finish.

a reply to: mirageman


Your right, this is an entertainment deal for all of these characters. What they do has NOTHING to do with UFO research.

They're going to make a buck, not a lot of money but some money.

I keep saying TTSA is going to destroy what’s left of Ufology. And the way they can do it apparently is making it an entertainment ONLY venue.

There are no serious research possibilities anymore if there ever were any. TTSA will make sure of that

Thanks for the link

a reply to: Willtell


Levenda never was a ufology specialist. His specialty is occultism and spiritual topics tinged with social conspiracies and Nazism. None of that equals a ufology specialty. In those veins, he has written some good books. Here Levenda seems to be going through the motions with standard occult-religious topics not hardly even related to Ufology. I mean Golems and Greys?

Of course, he’s scholarly enough to have the basic knowledge of ufology, and not embarrass himself, unlike Zondo who made little effort to even fake it properly and revealed his base ignorance in the topic, probably on purpose.

TTSA tried to get Joe Farrell but he smartly declined.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: coursecatalog

Yesterday at the International UFO Congress they named Jeremy Corbell as UFO Researcher of the Year and gave George Knapp a lifetime achievement award. This tells you all you need to know about the state of UFO research.

How prestigious are these awards anyway?

I mean, is it on a par with Best Porno Actor at the Adult Film Association Of America Awards ceremony?

Or a notch lower?

originally posted by: coursecatalog
Yesterday at the International UFO Congress they named Jeremy Corbell as UFO Researcher of the Year and gave George Knapp a lifetime achievement award.

This tells you all you need to know about the state of UFO research.

Well, at least we still have the upcoming Ufology World Congress in Barcelona, where at least one scientist (Dr Michio Kaku) will give a lecture and TTSA is blissfully absent.

(Lots of woo there as well, though …)

I like Michio Kaku’s vision on the subject. Nick Pope recently gave a similar opinion in one of his interviews:

I want to impress on people how statistically unlikely it is that in a 14 billion-year-old universe, the first alien civilization we meet will happen to be at around about our level of technological sophistication.

Given the age of the universe, there could be civilizations out there with millions or even billions of years head-start on us. Their power would be indistinguishable from the power of the gods that religious people worship, and their technology would truly be indistinguishable from magic.

This mistaken idea that aliens would be only slightly more advanced than us leads to a related misperception about UFOs. People imagine them as being like our own aircraft, but just a little bit faster and more manoeuvrable. In reality, if UFOs are extraterrestrial vehicles, as many believe, they’d probably be beyond our conception.

originally posted by: Guest101

originally posted by: coursecatalog
Yesterday at the International UFO Congress they named Jeremy Corbell as UFO Researcher of the Year and gave George Knapp a lifetime achievement award.

This tells you all you need to know about the state of UFO research.

Well, at least we still have the upcoming Ufology World Congress in Barcelona, where at least one scientist (Dr Michio Kaku) will give a lecture and TTSA is blissfully absent.

(Lots of woo there as well, though …)

I like Michio Kaku’s vision on the subject. Nick Pope recently gave a similar opinion in one of his interviews:

I want to impress on people how statistically unlikely it is that in a 14 billion-year-old universe, the first alien civilization we meet will happen to be at around about our level of technological sophistication.

Given the age of the universe, there could be civilizations out there with millions or even billions of years head-start on us. Their power would be indistinguishable from the power of the gods that religious people worship, and their technology would truly be indistinguishable from magic.

This mistaken idea that aliens would be only slightly more advanced than us leads to a related misperception about UFOs. People imagine them as being like our own aircraft, but just a little bit faster and more manoeuvrable. In reality, if UFOs are extraterrestrial vehicles, as many believe, they’d probably be beyond our conception.

For the first time in Europe, UWC is pleased to bring and present the greatest scientific disseminator of our planet, the Dr MICHIO KAKU. It will be the first time in his entire career that Dr. Michio Kaku will be presented at a Congress on the Study of Extraterrestrial Life. Dr. Michio Kaku will make a unique presentation in Europe this year, which will be UNREPETIBLE. This paper will undoubtedly become part of our story.

Is he one of the closet UFOlogists? I thought he wasn't a wooster and didn't work the UFO circuit? Also theres totally a replication crisis joke to be made if its a 'UNREPETIBLE' paper.

a reply to: 1ofthe9

But as mother used to say...if you have nothing nice to say about someone then I probably ought not say it...so I won't.

originally posted by: mirageman
As for the Bob Lazar movie. Well I think it really got under a lot of people's skin there....

Here's just one example...

Rich Giordano brags about his critical thinking skills and talks very bluntly about Lazar and Corbell so I started to think maybe his critical thinking skills aren't so bad since he's skeptical enough about them, but then he had to ruin my impression of him at 50 minutes by saying this:

Our government sprays people with Chemtrails, it's a fact. Everybody knows it.

I always thought the people with critical thinking skills couldn't find good evidence of that, so he lost me there. But I do believe the governments have done some strange and sometimes evil things to people which they eventually admitted to, maybe he should have stuck to one of those examples instead of the chemtrail example which isn't a fact. He was saying that to try to raise the question if Lazar had been manipulated somehow in some kind of government experiment.

I suppose I can't rule that out but it's not my first take on the case. I think I've been able to piece together a fair estimate of the reality of his experience without invoking that idea. I didn't know about Bob's wife coincidentally dying soon after he married another woman, that was an eerie revelation I might check out, though it's not directly related to UFOlogy but it could speak to Bob's character.