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Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

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posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 05:49 PM

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: beetee

Looks like Tyler was scooped a while back by Linda Moulton Howe! ndly-e-t-s/

LMH was scooped by

who were scooped by the Patent scientist himself Salvatore Cezar Pais in '17

Actual perusing their technical papers is kinda cool.

posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 05:59 PM
a reply to: zazzafrazz

Yes, but Linda had the exclusive that some of these patents were gifted to us by the aliens who obviously do not believe in royalties.

posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 06:03 PM

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: Sublant

Funny enough.....I actually recall TFT back in the original 2007 thread mentioning that he saw Sonar tracks!
Either on the powerpoint or while he was downloading the files from the server...
Let me look into this. Does someone have the link to the original thread..

Depending on what they are and resolution, a lot can be interpreted from them. If the do exist. Of course real analysis requires sound, graphic representation and area conditions.

If someone has this in some format, I would like to take a look at it.

posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 06:06 PM
a reply to: coursecatalog

Which ones?

Ya know I was thunkin' it's kinda weird this possible top secret black project stuff is "out there in the open" ?
I know patents no longer have to prove work ability, but it is weird it went under public filing owned by the Navy rather than deep black.
Something Odd about it. Geo-politics no doubt.

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posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 06:26 PM
a reply to: Sublant

Well TDL has gone quiet on the whole Greek/Atlantis stuff for a while hasn't he.

Sure he spoke of subs trapping a USO on the coast once too for a week or so, something else he we t quiet on.

I agree with you also, hard data in terms of sonar data would be interesting to look at.

posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 06:30 PM
a reply to: zazzafrazz
Linda was told the patent for shooting down asteroids was a gift to help humanity avoid destruction.

It's unclear if Mr. Pais is an alien or just friends with them.

Does Mr. Pais really exist?

posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 06:31 PM
a reply to: zazzafrazz

Interesting loop back to the discussion on 'Threat"

Senator Blumenthal:

"The most important facts for us and the American people to understand are the facts that haven’t been said today. And the reason why they haven’t been said is that they are largely classified. And the reason that’s important is that the American people have no idea, really no idea about the immensity of the threat in space. And I’ve made this comment in a classified setting that I wish the American people could be present in this room, because our adversaries know what they are doing, but the American people have no idea. And so this discussion and debate will have very little interest in the American public carried on in a level, forgive me, bureaucratic language that most Americans would have trouble seeing an immediacy in their daily lives, but if they were privy to what we hear and you know it much better than we do because you live it, I think they would be pretty alarmed. You are living with structures of what is classified and now, but I think we have a real obligation to explain to the American people why space is a domain that matters. Why the threats there are real and urgent, why they are growing in importance."

The American people have no idea, really no idea about the immensity of the threat in space

posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 06:38 PM
a reply to: celltypespecific

So your theory is this is advanced tech and not alien?

So who has this advanced tech? Russia? China?

Wouldn't that be a pretty wet blanket revelation by this TTSA iniative?

posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 06:39 PM

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: zazzafrazz

Yes, but Linda had the exclusive that some of these patents were gifted to us by the aliens who obviously do not believe in royalties.

Wait what? her exclusive isn't the patents but that aliens gave them to us? lol.
Someone just save me from these people, I feel like I'm trapped in a never ending early 80s disco every time LMH, Lazar, Von Daniken, Walton, Warren etc get wheeled out.

posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 06:41 PM
a reply to: coursecatalog

Also if anyone does indeed believe that the GOV has participated in the development of this tech. I would start to investigate any evidence of a "Manhattan" like project for research/development into this tech (UAPs/UFOs). For this kind of development to occur the fingerprints should be there...
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posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 06:42 PM
a reply to: zazzafrazz

The information came with the suggestion that this extraordinary patent for U. S. government use “without payment of any royalties thereon or therefor” is actually information from a friendly non-human intelligence that interacts with Earth and our solar system

posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 06:59 PM

originally posted by: The GUT
Given that his background includes being a "Clear" in Scientology...

So The Hoff, according to Scientology, achieved the state of "a being who no longer has his own reactive mind, the hidden source of irrational behavior". And this state of pure rationality led to him believing the Roswell story, and possibly Adamski, Meier etc?

Which means others must be "irrational" for believing they're all debunked trash?

It's rarely mentioned but I still believe Hoff's ex boss's 1954 pulp novel did inspire Delonge (with perhaps a bit of nudging from Hoff) to name his academy:

We were deprived of a film adaption of 'To The Stars' spearheaded by John Travolta when the movie 'Battlefield Earth' (2000) crashed and burned with total ineptness and ridicule. Even Hubbard-Woo colleague Tom Cruise must have shaken his head in disbelief.

And Tarantino was probably shouting at Travolta, "HEY! I didn't bring you back from the dead in 'Pulp Fiction' to do THIS kind of pulp sh#!"

posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 07:36 PM
For those following the TTSA/ UFO patent story below is a patent lawyer explanation as how this was published:

Being a patent lawyer, I had to dig a little deeper because there is a record behind every patent. As you some of you already know, the patent office does not freely give patents for impossible devices. No perpetual motion machines, no magic invisibility cloaks, nothing that an ordinary person in the relevant art could not build after reading the patent. This is a doctrine called “enablement”—the patent, plus what is already known in the art, must be enough to enable one to build a working device without undue experimentation. This is the quid pro quo of the patent system: to get ownership of the invention for 20 years, you must tell everyone enough about it to build it themselves. This patent almost suffered the fate of non-enablement at the patent office. What led to its issuance is the interesting part because patent examiner tried and tried to reject this patent as not “enabling” the invention. Yet it issued anyways. I cannot link directly to the patent prosecution documents, but the files are public and you can find them at the USPTO database[0] by searching for the patent's application number 15/141,270. The patent was filed in April 2016. The first action by the USPTO was in November 2017 with the usual delay and it rejected all claims as not enabling the invention. Simply put the examiner said: “You’re claiming a perpetual motion machine, good-bye.” The patent examiner and the applicant held an interview in January 2018, which is an ordinary event to try to convince the examiner is wrong. The examiner pointed out “that he still felt there were enablement issues.” The applicant disagreed. No agreement was reached. A few days later, the applicant filed his formal response to the rejection. He attached a published article under his authorship in AIAA Space Forum[1]. He also cited other publications on how to “generate extremely high EM flux intensities.” Basically, he's saying I'm peer-reviewed here is some other peer-reviewed articles, and it being peer-reviewed that's all you need to know. But most interestingly, he attached a letter from Dr. James Sheehy, Chief Technical Officer of the Naval Systems Air Command, indicating that the amount of magnetic field and electricity described as being required by the patent “can be created, and thus the invention is enabled.” Dr. James Sheehy is a real dude, with that real title and corresponding resume.[2] Dr. Sheehy’s letter is fascinating. It asserts that the applicant is currently one year into a project to demonstrate the feasibility of high EM field-energy and flux and has begun experimenting with associated propulsion systems. Dr. Sheehy says he believes the research shows the invention will be a reality. Then he says (seriously, he says) “China is already investing significantly in this area and I would prefer we hold the patent opposed to paying forever more to use this revolutionary technology.” The examiner at the patent office (who is typically kind of knowledgeable in the field) nevertheless called B.S. Peer-reviewed, shmear-reviewed. He rejected the application again finally in March 2018. He pointed out "for a high energy electromagnetic field to polarize a quantum vacuum as claimed it would take 10^9 teslas and 10^18 V/m." He said "these levels are not feasible with current technology so how would someone of ordinary skill be able to know how to create this craft? The largest magnetic field ever created is 10^3 teslas and a neutron star is 10^ teslas so how are you using a microwave emitter that produces a magnetic field that is three orders of magnitude greater than a neutron star?" And so on... Basically, the examiner said this is bull#. As is often done in this situation, the applicant filed an appeal from the patent examiner’s rejection. This is usually a procedure that is next addressed by a board of patent judges, with more briefing, typically oral argument, and takes months to years. But the appeal was never picked up after it was lodged, and it is unclear why. Two months after the appeal was filed, on October 31, 2018, the examiner (for no reason apparent in the file) allowed the patent to issue without comment and on the same day the government paid the fees it owed. The patent was issued in due course. Whether or not the named inventor was a crank, and whether or not the invention was equally frivolous, this was a patent prosecuted by a Navy attorney, vouched for by the Navy CTO, and pushed through under atypical circumstances, in a public forum. What's even more intriguing is that, if the Navy wanted, it could obtain the patent under a secrecy order that would keep it from the public's eyes until it was declassified. Knowing all this, now ask yourself why this impossible sounding patent issued in a public forum with high-level brass support under tax payer dollars. [0] [1] [2]

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posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 08:44 PM

originally posted by: celltypespecific

...What's even more intriguing is that, if the Navy wanted, it could obtain the patent under a secrecy order that would keep it from the public's eyes until it was declassified. Knowing all this, now ask yourself why this impossible sounding patent issued in a public forum with high-level brass support under tax payer dollars.


Top Secret spy-psy-op in progress. All ur belief systems r belong to us. Shhhhhh...

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posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 08:52 PM
a reply to: coursecatalog

Well da doncha know Martians downloaded to Tesla?

Jokes aside, hoping someone smarter than me (look sideways at Arbi) can explain if the Patents relate at all to some of Tesla's experimental work in waves. His work on electro-propulsion technology is said to have gone missing (Trump's uncle picked it up for the govt) when he died a few months before Roswell.

“Tesla performed an experiment in which he applied high-voltage high-frequency alternating current to a pair of parallel metal plates. He found that the ‘space’ between the plates became what he described as “solid-state” exhibiting the attributes of mass, inertia and momentum. That is, the area transformed into a state against which a mechanical push could be exerted. This implied that, using this technique, it should be possible to produce a spaceship drive anywhere in space, if the mechanism for thrusting against the ‘solid-state’ space could be determined. Further experiments convinced Tesla that powerful electromagnetic waves could be used to push against (and pull against) what appears to be ’empty space’. The drive principle is based on the Hall-effect used in semiconductor magnetic sensors, and is called the magnetohydrodynamic (“MHD”) effect.

These type of patents aren't new, we have talked many times on ATS about TTSA's several BETA versions, one which was gravwave LLC whose cast of characters included to name a few Buzz Aldrin, Eric Davis and Dr Baker, the latter whose patent for a gravitational wave generator interestingly expires this year

Dr Baker worked with the Chinese on this tech....BigFatFurryTexan if he is reading along might jump in, I think he emailed him about a 5-10 years ago about the China thing? EDIT:It wasnt Dr Baker ije emailed Dr. Ron Koczor see below note

The ripples from the late 1940s, geopolitically for 'exotic tech' between the US/CHINA/RUSSIA and the newly created CIA in 47 are still being felt today. The Chinese are out, and so are the team who worked on this tech with them it seems, but the Chinese are making noise that they are moving forward with it... New patents, new team? Well someones gotta get those funding dollars.

Ooee found BFFT's emails to Dr. Ron Koczor about the Chinese
Scroll down on that page for his correspondence

His research (as part of Gravwave, LLC) is closely tied to the current Chinese efforts. Keep in mind, he is associated with Lockheed Martin (listing Buzz Aldrin as a business partner on his website, as well as a professor, running the preeminent HGFW research department in American (and possibly world) academia at UCal - Berkely. The below video is a 16 minute presentation (I believe you can find the .ppt in an .mht format on his website) discussing the China endeavor. He shows a lab in China, stating "the amount of money that they are willing to spend on this research is staggering".

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posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 09:16 PM
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

People might think the Gut and I are ever so slightly bonkers when we go on about Occultist v the Catho's v the Commies v the Nazi's v the Bankers v the Alpahbets, but man that quote is just saying something huh.

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posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 09:26 PM
a reply to: zazzafrazz

The timeline from 1947 is extremely fascinating. It brings your statement to life, Zazz! They might have missed Crowley's passing on this particular compilation:

What Happened In 1947

posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 09:49 PM

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Sublant

The name of the program had the word "Threat" in the title, the program of which has been used as the foundation for TTSA - considering its members and their work in this government program.

Luis Elizondo on all his TV interviews uses the word threat continuously; admittedly in relation to if it cannot be identified it is classed as a threat until its intentions or origins are known.

Tom De Longe has stated that a UFO shooting down a helicopter will be featured in the TV show! If that kind of a statement isnt reinforcing a threat angle I don't know what is.

Unidentified Episode 3;
"Elizondo believed the threat was so great"

Luis Elizondo at SCU;

Anthony Lappe;

Hal Puthoff;

Jeremy Corbell;

Chris Mellon
"potential high-level strategic threat of unknown origin"

This took me 7 mins to put together and a few quick scans of articles, still don't think there is a threat potential being presented? This is not me talking either, these are the members of TTSA or those closely associated...

I will let their words do the talking...
I starred your post. All those threats make me feel skeered, how much more defense spending is needed to make me feel safe again?

If the US spending increases from more than the next 7 countries combined, to more than the next 10 countries combined, will that be enough to make me feel safe again?

Seriously though, I think that's possibly one angle, to try to make people more supportive of more military spending by posing these UAPS as "threats" when spending is probably too much already in the US as that graph suggests to me. It's probably not the only angle though. The intelligence community isn't going to come out and announce their real goals, so the best we can do is see what they've done in the past and try to figure out why they've done that, and figure their meddling is probably still going on for a variety of reasons.

originally posted by: Jukiodone
......has that particular claim about levels of classification of medical records ever been evidenced by an independent source?

That's a good question! Two people that I know of have corroborated the difficulty of obtaining Burroughs' medical records, Senator John McCain's assistant and Kit Green, so that they were classified is confirmed to my satisfaction. However many other claims related to the records are not confirmed such as the classification being related to Rendlesham forest. There are claims floating around such as a statement from Burroughs' lawyer saying Burroughs winning his case against the VA proves UFO reality or something, but it does nothing of the sort. Read what Kit Green has to say about the classification of Burroughs records, that the classification doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Rendlesham forest:

Christopher “Kit” Green, M. D., Ph.D., FAAFS: This is a reply to the entire thread… and will only address two issues that are common throughout many comments on this thread.

They are: Q # 1 … How can it be true that medical records such as John Burroughs’ could have been classified…Is this true? Is it sensible? What are the reasons? And, Q # 2 … What caused his injuries (and several others present over the encounter) with the odd Air Form that emitted the Broad Band NIEMR?

It is true, his records…about a thousand pages, and to this day, still many hundreds, were in fact legally classified. In my 46 year career as a Medical Officer and physician with CIA [including as Staff Officer, Chief of Medical Intelligence/ Life Sciences Division, and Assistant National Intelligence Officer for Science and Technology]…I had, until a year or so ago…only seen a handful of truly ‘classified’ medical records: those of Adolph Hitler, John Kennedy’s Autopsy, and recently … John Burroughs.

The reasons were different. When I was denied these records after many requests (even though I have continuously held TS/SCI clearances for almost 50 years), I was able to quickly determine that the reasons were quite simple…medical records are not usually digital and are easily sequestered in multiple location…and almost impossible to find (these were and remain except for recent years in hard copy, scanned, and separated from FOIA access…and even mine.) The reasons are (I was told by current DoD and VA Records staffs) that “inside the doctors notes, the nursing notes, the specialist’s note are a myriad of references to Special Access Projects and the names of OTHER “adjacent and ancillary Programs and projects that can not be disentangled, and which could uncover active and recent projects unrelated to Rendlesham. The reasons are not necessarily related to Rendlesham…and not all the connections relate to Rendlesham.

So when he says that "could uncover active and recent projects unrelated to Rendlesham" and "The reasons are not necessarily related to Rendlesham", I think people are jumping to conclusions saying they are related. We don't really know if they are related or not but those statements to me infer that at least some reasons for classification are unrelated to Rendlesham.

originally posted by: Willtell
It's important to see what TTSA will do other than the videos.

I never intuitively believed in the integrity of these videos and didn’t make any attempt to even bother with verifying their legitimacy. Part of this op is to get people to waste time verifying these questionable materials. I accidentally came upon this analysis which I think is valid.

According to this analysis, my intuition was correct. It shouldn't be called GO FAST but GO SLOW!

Again, this episode may be the bust and demonstrate the reality of TTSA and help expose them.

So the three videos TTSA released just show what's probably two jets and a balloon and TTSA's analysis of them as "threats" is either based on lies or complete incompetence? Thanks, I don't feel as skeered now.

posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 09:55 PM
They quoted me on unidentified!

Straight out of a post here

I’ll give them some credit they are trying to come clean.
So they asked Zondo whether he was a new Richard Doty?

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posted on Jun, 28 2019 @ 10:54 PM
This is older. My apologies if it's been posted before. Interesting for a few reasons.

“…What makes this material so special? Now, in some cases, this material… was told it’s special. Through analysis…guess what? Not so special. Some of it is absolutely special. I won’t point out which ones on that slide but there are some that are absolutely special and have been briefed to some very, very senior levels of this government, and they do remarkable and extraordinary things and they’re built in such a way that to this day we still can’t replicate them…to this day. So, that should be very telling. Material science is a critical piece of this. You can’t just sit there and say, ‘Ah ha! I told you so.’ That’s not what this is about. This is not…this effort is not about satisfying the natural curiosity of people who want to know right now and I sad before, there’s a difference in giving information right and giving it right now.”
Lue Elizondo states that AATIP, or the same program but maybe with a different name, is currently ongoing:

“…later, my director who preceded me, unfortunately, was run out of the U.S. government because of this very caustic portfolio…a lot of stigma. And so, people like Hal and others who we had to rely upon after that director…and I took it over… they’re really…they’re the real heroes of this scenario. I was just kind of the guy that kind of can keep everybody protected and could keep it running, but at the end of the day they were the ones doing the hard work. So, if there’s anybody to thank in this scenario…is a handful of people…my former director, I can’t say his name ’cause I promised I would never…he has to make that decision if he wants to come out, but he’s certainly one of those heroes.

Hal Puthoff is certainly one of those heroes. Another guy named Kit Green is one of those heroes. Another guy that I can’t mention his name is one of those heroes, because he is still fighting the fight in Washington, right now, today, today this moment running parts of this program. So, that’s encouraging, it’s alive and well. Now, is it called AATIP? I don’t know. I’d probably change the name, frankly, but other than that, it’s the same thing. It’s exactly the same… you can call it a Lincoln or Ford, it’s made in the same plant, it’s the same car, different batch.


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