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Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

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posted on Jun, 22 2019 @ 07:54 PM
a reply to: pigsy2400

That's pretty cute.

posted on Jun, 22 2019 @ 09:30 PM

originally posted by: coursecatalog
Someone tweeted the link to this bizarre column today. Does it look familiar to anyone? Seems like it might have originally appeared somewhere else. All kinds of odd stuff about Mitchell, Swann, Putoff, Vallee and Alexander and psychic alien 9/11 predictions.


I just noticed that the guy who tweeted the link is the author of the article:


"John Alexander is a lizard" Ha, does anyone actually like JA?

That was a WILD READ. Interesting how the author brings up all the people we’re talking about in the various threads dealing with this situation.

Almost surely bumpkin and BS, but it does raise some questions.

posted on Jun, 22 2019 @ 10:24 PM
a reply to: celltypespecific

As I’ve said before THE ONLY interesting thing about TTSA is the positive media coverage that surrounds them. That is something unique but as far as what they have outputted so far, it remains very ordinary.

You want them to be successful? In terms of what? They don’t have any special sauce( save what I mentioned above about MSM coverage) so what can they contribute but this pedestrian, run-of-the-mill, drab, reality show documentary that is only a repeat of the many other ones, with testimonies of redundant material no different or new than now hundreds, or thousands of similar kind.

Wait and see if that changes. We're all open-minded but we see empirical reality for what it is and note it as such without prejudice.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.

posted on Jun, 22 2019 @ 11:22 PM

Jacques Vallee: Another aspect of your question is that for a long time the ufologists have been blind to the fact that the phenomenon can be manipulated. In particular it can be manipulated by the government, by various intelligence groups or by different cults with their own agenda. I published over ten years ago in Messengers of Deception my conclusion that many of the UFO organizations had been infiltrated.

That book got me in a lot of trouble with my friends in the UFO community who refused to look at that particular problem. 

Since then, of course, this observation has been vindicated. One government informant has even come forward to reveal that he, in fact, had been recruited to befriend various UFOlogists and to write psychological profiles of them.

Every UFO organization is monitored by government informers. 

On the board of the National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomena, which was one of the major organizations in this country in the ’50s and ’60s, were three people who were among the founders of psychological warfare. They were people with strong ties to the government and intelligence community. I’m not saying it’s necessarily illegal or wrong, but it should be recognized.

One of the recommendations of the 1953 Robertson Panel, convened by the CIA and the Air Force to review the UFO problem, was that UFO organizations be watched. That report was classified at the time. That recommendation was in fact implemented. The civilian UFO groups were being watched and infiltrated as early as the fifties. They still are. 

I think this aspect has many remarkable consequences.

To what extent were some well-known UFO sightings actually simulations that were staged for the benefit of someone who wanted to do social engineering research or psychological warfare research? Perhaps to see what kind of stimuli it would take to make people change their belief systems, for example.

posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 03:48 AM
So, credit where credit is due.

Unidentified is very well done, as I have said before.
It is, in fact, exactly what I have hoped for all these years I have been interested in this phenomenon.

Footage (a bit lacklustre, but still) with sterling witnesses, congressional involvement and even a push to get the people working their elected officials.

So, why is it that in stead of feeling giddy with excitement I feel this gnawing sense of foreboding? Why is it that in this beautiful concerto of 'disclosure' I cannot quite enjoy it because there is this eerie false note squeaking in the background?

Is it, as some say, because I am such a grumpy old bastard, burnt to many times to ever feel giddy again? Or is it because I have heard the same piece played so many times now I can recognize the violins of falsehood when they pipe up?

This far into the series they have not put a foot wrong. It is exactly what I would have done.

So why, dear friends, do I dread where this might be going next?

Such are the questions with which I struggle.
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posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 05:11 AM

posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 05:17 AM
a reply to: beetee

I guess you used the same methods to access the series?

Having read Eric Davis' wonderful document on teleportation which cost the US DoD $25k in 2004 and was then repackaged and sold to them again as part of Hoff Con in 2008 and the DIRD papers I think we've cracked it.

Big Eric said quite clearly....

...moving yourself from location to location through mind powers, is "quite real and can be controlled.

I haven't used mind powers. But I was able to move myself to see this latest episode.

Yes it's very well put together and the production values are good. Although Zondo is by far the best 'actor' compared to the rest of the crew.

It seems odd that no one in an official government capacity is interviewed in the series. We are even told that the Pentagon refused to comment about the Roosevelt incidents in 2015. But we are also led to believe that Zondo and Mellon with his connections (like he didn't have them before?) are now influencing these people to change policy? Is this another illusion?

Did AATIP actually do any investigation into UAPs as claimed? Zondo with his huge backpack goes trekking around the USA as if he's never done any previous investigation at all. Not until he became a TV star at least.

There's something else that's bugging me but I'll come to that later.

posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 06:24 AM
a reply to: mirageman

I guess you used the same methods to access the series? 

Well, as teleporting in the fashion of nuns is as yet beyond me, I too had to rely on the work of DARPA to access them. A little irony in that, perhaps.

Mr. Elizondo is a surprisingly capable actor. I thought that the little exchange between him and Justice about how contrived it all felt since they knew so much more than what they were allowed to reveal was poignant.

Mellon is no slouch either.

Then there are these others, for now firmly in the background, yet hovering like tic-tacs, or indeed quite invisible. Where is Mr Semivan, one might wonder?

I find myself cheering for Elizondo and Mellon. Well done! Too bad it's all scripted, but with a little suspense of disbelief, well it is very riveting.

I guess I'm going to be sporting an Elizondo T-shirt before long. It will go well with my tinfoil papal helmet.

posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 06:25 AM
I think some sublimal advertising is going on during the show.

Whilst we know Zondo has strict rules around his selection of T-Shirts he's certainly got an excellent collection of headgear. He changes hats in every scene.

posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 07:22 AM

originally posted by: beetee
So, why is it that in stead of feeling giddy with excitement I feel this gnawing sense of foreboding? Why is it that in this beautiful concerto of 'disclosure' I cannot quite enjoy it because there is this eerie false note squeaking in the background?

It’s the nagging feeling that nothing fundamentally changed since Ruppelt wrote these words in 1954:

My own opinion is that either the saucers are interplanetary or they do not exist. I do not believe that there is enough evidence at hand to choose between these alternatives.

We had no evidence whatever that the saucers are some supersecret U.S. development. Ordinary horse sense is against this theory. If the U.S. had flying saucers that can perform the way saucer-sighters describe them, why would the government be pouring billions of dollars into conventional – and inferior – planes?

We also had no evidence that the saucers are of foreign manufacture. Again, logic opposes such a belief.

What is the argument that they are nonexistent? It has some stubborn facts on its side.

First, the residue of unknowns shows no common characteristics. Their shapes, performances, times of appearance, colors, locations showed the same bewildering variety as the 80 percent that we were able to explain. The 434 unknowns included little lights, big lights, multicolored lights, disks seen by day, cigar shapes, orbs and dots of lights.

Secondly, there were no bursts of unknowns.

Thirdly, in the seven years there has been no physical evidence of the existence of saucers. The Air Force has found no evidence that a saucer has ever crashed or landed. It has seen no photographic evidence that it can credit. It has seen no "hardware" that it cannot explain as man-made.

Against those arguments stands the testimony of hundreds of people. They include hard-bitten airmen familiar with all the hallucinations of flying, sober scientists who applied every natural explanation – and stubbornly insisted, "It was something else."

Among these sightings have been a small number that have been confirmed by radar. Whatever the object was, it was not a hallucination. And frequently, it outperformed any craft known on earth.

The Air Force has never ruled out the possibility that we are being visited from outer space. It says only that it has no evidence to support this possibility.


65 years have passed since then and still no hard, irrefutable data …

posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 07:30 AM
a reply to: Guest101

Yes, you nailed it I think.

posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:24 AM
Hello ladies and gentlemen,

So after reading Tyler Rogaway's new piece (see below) and reconsidering some evidence put forth by Mick West on metabunk. I have to recalibrate my belief that what we are experiencing is disclosure. My calculations that the likely hood of:

UAP/UFO of E.T. Origin= 5%

UAPs/UFOs miss ID because of Black Military Project= 80%

I am a man that's open minded and willing to analyze data in a rational non-conspiratoral manner, the situation very fluid and its important that we are able to adjust our beliefs base on data presented at the time. New data was recently provided by Tyler Rogaway.

I truly want to believe that we are experiencing disclosure but I am beginning to become doubtful the burden of proof is on TTSA.

Ultimately...extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

The three videos provided by TTSA are not extraordinary....they are interesting/peculiar ....but no mind blowing for the claim that is being made.

I believe TTSA has other videos that can explain away the radar reflector, balloon, bird, another aircraft hypothesis.
I still believe that the pilots did witness a Tic-Tac, but people see 'UFOS' all the time. It will be critical for additional videos and radar data to be provided by the pentagon.

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

Radar Reflectors
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posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:51 AM

Barkeep, another round. She said she'd give me everything y'know. I should have seen it coming. A fresh face. A new body of evidence. I thought this was the one. Not like Blue Book or Emenegger or Majestic or Santilli or Serpo or Condign. I thought this would be different. I thought this was the real thing. I did everything she wanted. I bought the t-shirt. Even watched Tucker Carlson for Christ's sake. But there's always some young gun waiting out there when your back is turned. You know, Lorca once wrote "To burn with desire and keep quiet about it is the greatest punishment we can bring on ourselves." I guess I'll learn my lesson one day. Keep 'em coming pal. Tonight it'll just be me, Johnny Walker Black and a stack of Jacques Vallee books to keep me warm.

posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 10:39 AM

originally posted by: beetee
So, credit where credit is due.

Unidentified is very well done, as I have said before.
It is, in fact, exactly what I have hoped for all these years I have been interested in this phenomenon.

Yeah, it's exceptional. 10 years ago I wouldn't have stood a chance. It's so good I experience some off & on guilt for giving these guys such a rough time. At some points I have to talk myself down because of the legitimate contradictions that most here know and that are hard to get around.

I'm sure Lue was pretty effective in establishing and maintaining his "cover" throughout his career. Which basically means he can lie with a straight face and exhibit the proper situational emotions.

That was true of Ted Bundy too...but Ted wasn't doing it for his country so there's that.

In other news, related news I think, I'm finding Vallee's Forbidden Science III full of clues to be gleaned and an excellent history of 20th Century phenomenology. Juicy tidbits about various personalities abound. Looking up any unfamiliar names and any companies or projects associated with them is a deeper education all by itself.

As in FS II he's continued to throw various subtle aspersions at Kit Green whereas Puthoff continues to get a pass.

Round and round we go, where it stops nobody knows.
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posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 11:14 AM
Most here will remember when this broke a few years ago. Might be time to reconsider its relevancy to current events. I think it also gives a little clarity to the enduring connection between the two black arts: Espionage & Magick. Are they even different? I think the Manly Hall quote at the bottom nails it.

From Mirage Men author Mark Pilkington's Blog:

A Powerpoint presentation made available on journalist Glenn Greenwald’s web site,, may just have revealed the Mirage Men – or at least one branch of their operations.

The presentation is called The Art of Deception, Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations and was given by GCHQ’s Human Science Operation Cell (HSOC), linked to the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group (JTRIG),

...we can infer from the slides that the powerpoint outlines applied techniques for deploying psychology, deception, illusion, dissimulation, magic, religion and belief in their intelligence and counter-intelligence operations.

And, sure enough, scroll down to pages 35 to 37  in Strand 2: Influence and Information Operations and you will find three slides
of UFO photographs…

If you’ve made it to this blog in the first place, then you don’t need me to explain why, but it’s clear that they consider the UFO subject, its attendant beliefs, and the vocal  community surrounding it, to be a useful field of operations for their activities.

This might have implications relating to the SERPO ”extraterrestrial exchange” documents that were circulated in 2005 and, indeed, for almost any other online dissemination point for UFO information …

He mentions SERPO. Sounds vaguely familiar. Psyops, social engineering, etc...birds of a feather. Here's a few slides from the leaked document:

Pg 7 - We want to build Cyber Magicians

Here's a bit about magician and CIA operative John Mullholland from the slide above. He's the guy the fine folk who brought us MK-ULTRA took poor Frank Olson to right before he was suicided:

While in New York, Olson also met with John Mullholland, a CIA-employed magician. When Mullholland attempted to hypnotize Olson, the latter grew upset. He pleaded with them all to “just let me disappear.” Unfortunately, that wasn’t any kind of magic trick that John Mullholland could perform. The CIA had an entirely different trick up its sleeve and shortly thereafter, Frank Olson plunged to his death from his hotel window.

It truly is the essence of black magic. Manly P. Hall on Science as Black Magic

The most dangerous form of black magic is the scientific perversion of occult power for the gratification of personal desire. Its less complex and more universal form is human selfishness, for selfishness is the fundamental cause of all worldly evil.

A man will barter his eternal soul for temporal power, and down through the ages a mysterious process has been evolved which actually enables him to make this exchange. In its various branches the black art includes nearly all forms of ceremonial magic, necromancy, witchcraft, sorcery, and vampirism. Under the same general heading are also included mesmerism and hypnotism, except when used solely for medical purposes, and even then there is an element of risk for all concerned.

Though the demonism of the Middle Ages seems to have disappeared, there is abundant evidence that in many forms of modern thought--especially the so-called “prosperity” psychology, “willpower-building” metaphysics, and systems of “high-pressure” salesmanship--black magic has merely passed through a metamorphosis, and although its name be changed its nature remains the same.

---from Ceremonial Magick and Sorcery


The Art of Deception Slideshow on SCRIBD
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posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 11:44 AM
One or two folk have brought up the JFK/UFO theory. The following is a pretty scholarly treatise on that subject and more history as regards our cast of characters and the longstanding IC deception in ufology. It's somewhat long but fascinating and, I think, a must read when attempting to understand what we are seeing with TTSA.

The Layout of the Essay

Students of the JFK case, like my self have largely ignored the comings and goings on of those inhabiting Zeta Reticuli, and dare I say most of the time, with very good reason. But with regards to this ongoing JFK-MJ-12 mess we really shouldn’t have. This foreword serves to provide something of a backdrop to the madness herein. It’ll give a series of brief and not so brief looks into the current explosion of JFK-MJ-12 hype, the leeches that have fed off it, the origins of said documents, and a clarification of where I stand on the issue of UFOs. More specifically, I shall adress this topic in the following sections:

Preamble I and II seek to provide a backdrop to Scientist Leon Davidson, who made a number of alarming accusations against the CIA’s whipping up UFO mania. In turn, he created a powerful cultural phenomena--picked up by other agencies who know a good thing when they see it--that is to hide, subvert and confuse all manner of issues within and outside of the government. I would like to point out that I am well aware that there is much conjecture on the topics I bring up. I have tried as best I could to provide some antecedent or give a relevant example to any points made. I hope that the reader will appreciate my honesty in this regard as far too many individuals covering this ground mistake their own fantasies and musings for reality (I hope Richard Dolan and Joseph Farrell read this). All I aspire to is that in putting this out there to provide a template to work from or to debate.

Part I - Majestic Documents & Marilyn deals with how the current craze has started and who has cashed in on it. But primarily it deals with the Wood’s family’s Majestic Documents group, their use of the bogus documentation surrounding Marilyn Monroe, and their attempts to link her death to Kennedy and UFOs and vice versa.

Part II - Kennedy Killed Over UFOs (and Other Lies) deals with the recent assault on the senses concerning dubious evidence concerning Kennedy’s murder being enacted for sticking his nose in and around the UFO issue. In so doing, I rationally (a key word here) discuss what Kennedy’s interests in the phenomena likely was.

Part III - Lunacy, Loyalty and Failed Lie Detectors returns to the Woods, focussing on denials of Tim Cooper’s wrongdoing in the face of strong evidence to the contrary.

Part IV - Tweedle Dee Rob Meets Tweedle Dee Linda discusses Wood Sr. and his lack of knowledge concerning the basics of Cold War intelligence initiatives, with resident UFO/JFK ‘expert’ Linda Moulton Howe. What’s important about this section is that aside from giving the abdominal muscles a good work out from reading this clueless duo is that (depending on one’s prerogative) it also expands upon some issues pertaining to the MJ-12 stuff mentioned in parts II & III.

(Parts V and VI of this essay embark from a more solid and factual basis established in Parts I to IV, becoming more speculative due to the dodgy nature of the subject and the people involved.)

Part V - A Very Sad Attempt At Making a Rabbit Hole in effect discusses how people unprepared to confront the fact that just because someone is a ‘con’ and has a history of being one, doesn’t mean they aren’t intelligence agency material. In fact it often makes them prime candidates for being so and they are thus particularly effective in disinformation campaigns. There seems to be a total and utter failure in UFO circles to acknowledge that counter intelligence is in itself designed to mislead and misrepresent. Once one realizes that intelligence agencies like to ‘cut it both ways’ then looking over scraps from them loses its lustre. It's not a rabbit hole after all, the hole doesn’t even exist, but well you fell into it anyhow. Nevertheless, it discusses the extremely dubious company the originator of the documents has kept. Not too, mention how one well-known figure in the MJ-12 drama has absurdly escaped a great deal of scrutiny.

Part VI - Gus Russo, Phone Home! is effectively a continuation of Part V and discusses how outcasts from the JFK scene like Gus Russo have made homes for themselves in a field all to willing to be taken in by the ‘next bright thing’. In many ways it’s also the most important chapter of this study as it examines why the JFK community ignored the MJ-12 palaver, but more importantly it explores why ‘truth seekers’ and ‘crank busters’ like Russo and others avoided the JFK-MJ-12 issue altogether and gives an outline of one of the potential targets of this disinformation.

Part VII - The Conclusion is a summary of all that has been covered, in the essay and essentially the bookend to this foreword.

JFK and the Majestic Papers: The History of a Hoax, Introduction

posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 11:53 AM
a reply to: The GUT
Ever read this book?

Dar k Star Rising by Gary Lachman

It sent me off on some crazy tangents, I'll tell you.

posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 01:00 PM

originally posted by: beetee

So why, dear friends, do I dread where this might be going next?

You mean their new ownership of the Rendlesham Forest story?

I feel as if I know Rendlesham inside out, certainly more than any of the other 'big budget' UFO epics since 1947, so I'm also a bit twitchy about how Zondomania will re-package the whole thing.

Was that the back view of a female RFI witness that Zondo was interviewing in the 'Next Time' trailer?

If we're talking about the main Three Nights, what are the chances it was Bonnie Tamplin from Night Two? Was her ethnicity on show? Can't remember. Or was it "Cookie" - Mad Lazza's ex-squeeze and alleged witness to strange events that seemed almost like a parallel-universe version of the RFI?

Or was it Lori Rehfeldt yet again (witness of a much earlier sighting) with a new hair-do?

posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 01:00 PM
A somewhat scathing video from dark journalist on how ttsa is a cia op,first time i ve seen this guy on my yt feed.Anyone know him?

posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 01:27 PM
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I'm indeed a bit curious about the next episode, I must admit. I certainly think there will be some informative posts on it from you guys who have picked over it for years, here on ATS and elsewhere.

To be honest my underlying sense of worry stems more from where they want to go with this in the long run.
If, indeed, there is a long run, that is.

If this is not disclosure by November, something I have come to doubt, then what they are doing (and doing very well) is building a foundation. Of credibility with those interested, of credibility with the mainstream and also perhaps with some people in government positions.

Once you have a foundation to build from, and I might add the vocal opposition has either fallen in line or been dismissed to the fringe, what do you do next? Now you can build on your handiwork and steer the ship were you want it to make landfall.

Will it be Disneyland? Will it be Magonia? Or are we to be steered into as yet uncharted waters?

I'm pretty sure, however, that someone has a course plotted out, and we are surely gathering momentum.
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