Here is what Happens in a Socialist Economy.

originally posted by: ClovenSky
So we supposedly have the greatest system in the world, free markets / capitalism. If we have the greatest system in the world, why are there so many people looking towards socialism? Is it simple education? Is it self hate or something like a sadist? We have it so good today that people are looking for a little challenge?

If free markets / capitalism are so good, why are so many people upset and looking for change?

The enemy of America understands they cannot damage or attack the u.s. in traditional manners using military and weapons

They think of out of the box methods to cripple and weaken the country.

They want to change everything that made the country a success

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The first thing they do is ban guns so they can take your stuff without getting shot.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Marxism wasn't a thing until communism adopted it as it's 'doctrine'.

What you are describing is Communism. Marxism is just the critique and predictions of capitalism and that it's failure is seeding within' itself.

Lenin said that communism was the goal of socialism. Indeed both Lenin and Marx said that socialism was a bridge between capitalism and communism. Socialism is communism lite.
Now we have Agenda 21 or Agenda 2030 and make no mistake The Green New Deal is Agenda 21. Rosa Koire says that Agenda 21 “communitarianism” is the new communism.
Whatever ism we want to use .... the plan of the Elites is to run the entire planet using Agenda 21 planning and totalitarian control and income redistribution. It’s not a good thing no
Matter how much they try to cloak it with nice sounding platitudes like Sustainable development and “Green New Deal”.

I disagree. The green new deal came from diem25 in Europe, and it’s a movement started and supported by yanis varoufakis, chris hedges, Michael Hudson and others who are very much anti establishment. They formed in opposition the the growing fascist groups who are sweeping many countries with actual nazi parties and have already taken over many governments such as Italy, France, Austria, etc, started by Steve bannon who went to Europe after trump let him go here.

I forgot to add Noam Chomsky to the list of diem25 supporters.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

capitalist charity! that makes me laugh

hahahaha , every charity in the west just makes money of the suffering of others
take a look at the expense scandals of some of the childrens charities in the UK and things like comic relief or such like

they basically skim off the top like the mafia !

Of course there are some good charities out there that do real charity work. Where as the majority are simply out to make a buck off the kindness and compassion of others.

not all socialist ideas are bad , such as the NHS which has saved many lives in the UK

I believe everything is about balance , so to balance out all that runaway capitalist pig wealth creation and hoarding
you need some socially orientated policies to keep that balance.

however under capitalism its likley we will kill ourselves off , the greed of a few generations of humanity deny the continued existence of the future generations because of wealth acquisition and hoarding.

Of course it doesnt help when for the last 50+ years the American government actively spent millions trying to convince everyone socialism was bad because of the cold war!

That is not true. There are numbers of Christian charities which don’t behave like the Clintons did on Haiti or like the Red Cross or the March of Dimes or other large non religious charities. I met a Christian man who started his own private charities in Cambodia.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

That doesn’t negate what he said. He even stated that there are some good charities that do good work. But by and large the majority of the charities ran by the massive capitalist groups are similar to our social programs and aid to other countries, or mega churches, ie subverted to create massive wealth for the people running them first and foremost, with any social good accomplished being nothing more than a secondary and unnecessary side effect, if it happens at all.

a reply to: pexx421
Well the key here is the difference between “massive capitalist” charities and smaller private Christian charities. But again the attack from Socialists is on capitalism and free enterprise as for some reason they believe that government run enterprises are better and more efficient and somehow less greedy and corrupt. I say that is an entirely erroneous concept pushed by Socialists themselves. Also, the fact that he’s used terms like “runaway capitalist wealth pigs” just screams that he’s a Marxist who hates all things capitalist and loves government forced redistribution of wealth. Very transparent.

They’re not attacking capitalism or free enterprise. How could they? Those things do not exist. They are attacking socially necessary services that exploit people in desperate need for massive profit with a totally opaque billing system. A health care system that cost many times what other people pay, but you can’t see what it will cost you until afterwards and you can’t shop around? Criminal. They are also attacking systems that are monopolistic and oligarchy controlled. I don’t see them going after gas stations, construction companies, or small businesses. Their critiques are all on banks, isps, telecoms, healthcare, and other such businesses that use their accumulated wealth to create barriers to competitors. They have never once mentioned issues with private ownership of land or other resources, and their stances are far from actual socialist.

Free enterprise would be nice, but only if it’s equally free from capitalist (corporatist) control. Otherwise it’s just a question of a market controlled by a group that is influenced by the public to a small degree vs one not answering to the public at all. And keep in mind, the very corporations you support ruling here (by freeing the market from the few small government restraints we do have) are the very ones currently assassinating labor leaders in other nations, using sweat shop labor and child labor in other nations, and destroying working class people’s ability to make a living from Honduras to Greece to Africa and India.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Yeh Im not saying that all charities are bad or have been co-opted by capitalist money hungry people!

but the majority of big charities do nothing but make money from the suffering of others !

It’s legal plunder. A group if ideologues and technocrats believe they know what’s best for you. All they need is your money.

originally posted by: pexx421
They’re not attacking capitalism or free enterprise. How could they? Those things do not exist. They are attacking socially necessary services that exploit people in desperate need for massive profit with a totally opaque billing system. A health care system that cost many times what other people pay, but you can’t see what it will cost you until afterwards and you can’t shop around? Criminal. They are also attacking systems that are monopolistic and oligarchy controlled. I don’t see them going after gas stations, construction companies, or small businesses. Their critiques are all on banks, isps, telecoms, healthcare, and other such businesses that use their accumulated wealth to create barriers to competitors. They have never once mentioned issues with private ownership of land or other resources, and their stances are far from actual socialist.

Free enterprise would be nice, but only if it’s equally free from capitalist (corporatist) control. Otherwise it’s just a question of a market controlled by a group that is influenced by the public to a small degree vs one not answering to the public at all. And keep in mind, the very corporations you support ruling here (by freeing the market from the few small government restraints we do have) are the very ones currently assassinating labor leaders in other nations, using sweat shop labor and child labor in other nations, and destroying working class people’s ability to make a living from Honduras to Greece to Africa and India.

You mean this part ?

I believe everything is about balance , so to balance out all that runaway capitalist pig wealth creation and hoarding you need some socially orientated policies to keep that balance.

originally posted by: pexx421
I disagree. The green new deal came from diem25 in Europe, and it’s a movement started and supported by yanis varoufakis, chris hedges, Michael Hudson and others who are very much anti establishment. They formed in opposition the the growing fascist groups who are sweeping many countries with actual nazi parties and have already taken over many governments such as Italy, France, Austria, etc, started by Steve bannon who went to Europe after trump let him go here.

It is not anti establishment to engage in government forcing people to stop eating meat because they believe that eating cows is killing the planet. No matter how you slice and dice it, the Green New Deal is an ignorant anti scientific method of controlling what everybody eats what cars the drive what they live in and how much heat they can have in their homes. And it will be enforced by the UN. Please research more. canadafreepress.com...
And here it is right in the UNs own documents sustainabledevelopment.un.org...

Here is what Happens in a Socialist Economy.

a reply to: pexx421

I had to
Look up diem25. Honestly it just sounds like more leftist rhetoric but it has the same ringtone as all the Democrat radicals in Washington trying to convince us that “democratic socialism” is the best.
Throwing around the term democracy a lot. It is mostly socialists who throw that word around so
much. They have just gotten smarter in cloaking it do it doesn’t sound so anti capitalist because even they know they cannot exist without capitalist wealth. Oh brother ... it’s just the Green Party in Europe... gee I wonder who they could be working for.

If you knew any of the people I listed you would know they don’t work for anyone but the people. At any rate, where in the socialist bible does it state there can’t be a market, profit, or wealth?

originally posted by: pexx421
If you knew any of the people I listed you would know they don’t work for anyone but the people. At any rate, where in the socialist bible does it state there can’t be a market, profit, or wealth?

The Communist Manifesto states explicitly that there should be an abolishment is private property. Socialism is a redistribution of income, which implies that a person does not even own that which he or she has rightfully worked to earn.
The Communist Manifesto is all about punishing the wealthy. Socialism punished the wealthy and those who work for what they get.
So do you know any of those people personally ?

See and here we have equating communism and socialism, as well as doublespeak explaining socialism as the opposite of what it really is. Capitalism is the system whereby an individual or group of owners own the profit that thousands of others work to earn. Socialism explicitly states that the workers are to own the product of their labor, and the method of production. Nowhere in socialism does it say to punish the wealthy and those who work for what they get. It says to punish monopolists, and those who use what they get to exploit, or steal the surplus profit from, the actual workers.

originally posted by: pexx421
See and here we have equating communism and socialism, as well as doublespeak explaining socialism as the opposite of what it really is. Capitalism is the system whereby an individual or group of owners own the profit that thousands of others work to earn. Socialism explicitly states that the workers are to own the product of their labor, and the method of production. Nowhere in socialism does it say to punish the wealthy and those who work for what they get. It says to punish monopolists, and those who use what they get to exploit, or steal the surplus profit from, the actual workers.

Capitalism is where people own the product of their own labor. In socialism, the product of your labor is owned by the workers, just like the rest of your property.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Honest question for anyone who knows...

If the powers that be (i.e. the rich business owners) are so powerful... is a full on socialist agenda/policy really much of a threat just because a few politicians and sheeple voters are pushing for it?

I mean... take Buffet... is he just gonna give up his BNSF railways for socialism/communism?

Just not sure how any of this would ACTUALLY happen. How exactly would politicians that take money from corporations suddenly over-throw those corporations and make then acquiesce to a new regime and give up their power?

Is this something that could be voted for? Is there a precedent where a country "switched"?