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Here is what Happens in a Socialist Economy.

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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:19 PM
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Is there no middle ground here? Is there no way to assure some type of freedom of enterprise with self determination while still maintaining morals.

Maybe if our fiat money wasn't becoming worth less and less every passing year due to 0s & 1s being created out of thin air, people could afford health care out of pocket. Maybe the push for socialism is because people are feeling so helpless anymore that they can't ever imagine attaining self sufficiency on their own.

What if it is our unbridled capitalism that is leading directly to socialism?




posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

I don't have "opinions", i showed FACTS. Does capitalism work for everyone? no, but socialism and communism are worse.

I was born in Cuba, lived there and experienced a socialist economy, and a communist regime. You haven't. I still have two sisters, a grandmother, cousins, uncles, aunts, living as regular Cubans in the island. You don't.

In 1999, when Chavez took control of Venezuela, there were about 30,000 Venezuelans registered as living outside of Venezuela, since then there are over 2 million, some numbers say even 3 million, Venezuelans have had to escape from socialism/communism.

In Cuba it was the same thing.

Cuba and Venezuela had problems before socialism/communism took over, but those problems became much worse because people like you wanted more.

Cuba and Venezuela were some of the most advanced, and rich countries in Latin America. Before socialism/communism Cuba was known as the "Jewel of the Caribbean." Meanwhile many households in the U.S. still didn't have a tv, most households in Cuba had a tv, people could buy good food, and were able to afford it. There were a myriad of different jobs you could apply for which paid living wages.

If you think "liberals/democrats," who love socialism will do wonders to the U.S. why is it that California has the highest poverty rate of the whole nation?...

Why is it that Detroit, New York, and cities or states controlled by democrats/liberals, who love socialism, have the worst problems in poverty, crime, etc, etc?...


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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: ClovenSky

I agree that nothing is perfect in capitalism, but the constraints indicative to socialism, impose too much on personal liberty



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




Because for decades socialists and communists have been brainwashing these young people, and these days the "socialist agenda" is part of most Colleges and Universities in the U.S.


Then why in Gods name are there so many business schools at Univ. offering MBAs and so many students wanting to attend the better business schools, so they can be Capitalist in the System that is the American economy.


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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:25 PM
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originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: dfnj2015


People start business's from the ground up every day. Some fail, some succeed. It is all about supply and demand, and the determination of the individual. It happens more often in a capitalistic society, where people have the opportunity to thrive.


Nobody making the median worker's wage can compete with Home Depot, Walmart, or Amazon. I think competition sounds great it's just free markets just don't exist. Regulations written by lobbyists are designed to create cartels and monopolies eliminating competition. Non-profit hospitals and public works have all been outsourced to for-profit monopolies with the worst possible service at the highest possible profit.

Honestly, do you think the healthcare cartel is serving the American people or the American people are slaves to the cartel?

Money talks, everything the people posting words like "communism" and "socialism" is just BS. There are laws that enslave men. There are laws that set them free. The only laws getting passed today are written by the lobbyists who serve the billionaire fat cats. Sorry, the American people are screwed.



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:25 PM
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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

The more interesting question is why is the government allowing students to be gouged by so much debt?

The system is rigged. And I am the one who is labeled a "communist"



There's a reason why we will always be in debt. We will never get out of debt. The economy is rigged for exploitation from the currency on up.


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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

excellent contribution Yawn.



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:32 PM
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originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: toysforadults

excellent contribution Yawn.


Agreed. Money talks, everything else is BS. This thread and everything on TV about politics is a waste of time.



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: BlueJacket

I know. I also highly believe the only way to live is through self determination, self sufficiency and self accountability. I think capitalism is the perfect religion in the perfect world. Do we have a perfect world? Why are the young minds so easily corrupted with thoughts and promises of socialism?

What are the current examples of free markets? I dare say they are not all that impressive. I like to believe there is a very small resurgence of the soul for our younger generations. I hope they are looking at our current system with the eyes of a soul and not the eyes of the lazy, just looking for a free handout.

I think the answer will be tough, very tough. No one will get what they want and both sides will need to come together. Compromise against the greater harm, our true natures. Or at least what we have been brainwashed into for this era.

I can kind of glimpse what the compromise could be and it is going to be UGLY. So wonderfully ugly it will provide eons of entertainment.



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015




The more interesting question is why is the government allowing students to be gouged by so much debt?


Because higher education like medical care is a Capitalistic enterprise to make profit for the fat cats in control.

Something that escapes the right wing that see a communist/socialist around every corner.



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Do you have any disclosure to offer?
Is your source of income threatened by Socialism?
Is Socialism a threat to you, or your loved-ones lives, or lifestyle?
Do you receive any sort of compensation for trumpeting Capitalism, and/or vilifying Socialism?

So what is the real, deep-down reason for your complaint against Socialism?


Because UNLIKE YOU, i lived it and know full well what the people of Venezuela , Cuba, etc, are going through.

UNLIKE YOU i lived as a regular Cuban under a socialist economy, and a communist dictatorship.

I don't get paid for posting this. That is as idiotic a claim as those "left-wingers" who claim that the millions of Cubans, and Venezuelans who have escaped socialism/communism "must be working for the CIA..." Or that the millions of Venezuelans who have been protesting the socialist dictatorship of Chavez/Maduro "must be working for the CIA.

I have seen"left-wingers living in Capitalist nations" bash at Venezuelans, and Cubans like myself who have been posting the truth about socialism and communism.

Does "implementing socialism in the U.S. will affect me?" YES, it will affect everyone, and unlike "left-wingers" like yourself I know by experience full well what socialism and communism will do if they were ever implemented in the U.S.






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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:40 PM
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Just to ask, in your opinion, how much of the system failure in those places is directly tied to the will and morals of the populace itself? On a local level, how much was bribing public officials for favors accepted? How much was a dishonest gained fiat buck applauded?

Is there any possibility the system is the way it is because of the citizens themselves?



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: dfnj2015


People start business's from the ground up every day. Some fail, some succeed. It is all about supply and demand, and the determination of the individual. It happens more often in a capitalistic society, where people have the opportunity to thrive.


Nobody making the median worker's wage can compete with Home Depot, Walmart, or Amazon. I think competition sounds great it's just free markets just don't exist. Regulations written by lobbyists are designed to create cartels and monopolies eliminating competition. Non-profit hospitals and public works have all been outsourced to for-profit monopolies with the worst possible service at the highest possible profit.

Honestly, do you think the healthcare cartel is serving the American people or the American people are slaves to the cartel?

Money talks, everything the people posting words like "communism" and "socialism" is just BS. There are laws that enslave men. There are laws that set them free. The only laws getting passed today are written by the lobbyists who serve the billionaire fat cats. Sorry, the American people are screwed.


But we do have socialism in the U.S. Welfare.

Are there any good lobbyist's?



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: ClovenSky
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Is there any possibility the system is the way it is because of the citizens themselves?


No. socialism and communism as economic and political system always fail because they try to make every human being "a collective robot." They fail because they take away individual rights.

ALL human rights start with "individual rights." If a nation gets rid of "individual rights for the good of the collective," that nation gets rids of all "human rights."

Intrinsically the policies of socialism and communism try to take away "individualism" out of the human equation. As such these systems seek to oppress all forms of individualism.

As humans we are all different, we are "individuals" and as "individuals" we have different ideas, and views. In socialism, or communism there can be no different ideas and views.


The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism. Karl Marx

Read more at: www.brainyquote.com...

As individuals, millions of people in the U.S. will oppose "socialism," and as Marx himself said "opposition to socialism cannot exist if peace is to exist." Because of this billions of people, over the whole world, under socialism and communism are oppressed, tortured and/or brainwashed in "re-education centers." You have ANY idea, or view that is against the principles of socialism or communism and you are the opposition.


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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:50 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Do you have any disclosure to offer?
Is your source of income threatened by Socialism?
Is Socialism a threat to you, or your loved-ones lives, or lifestyle?
Do you receive any sort of compensation for trumpeting Capitalism, and/or vilifying Socialism?

So what is the real, deep-down reason for your complaint against Socialism?


Because UNLIKE YOU, i lived it and know full well what the people of Venezuela , Cuba, etc, are going through.

UNLIKE YOU i lived as a regular Cuban under a socialist economy, and a communist dictatorship.

I don't get paid for posting this. That is as idiotic a claim as those "left-wingers" who claim that the millions of Cubans, and Venezuelans who have escaped socialism/communism "must be working for the CIA..." Or that the millions of Venezuelans who have been protesting the socialist dictatorship of Chavez/Maduro "must be working for the CIA.

I have seen"left-wingers living in Capitalist nations" bash at Venezuelans, and Cubans like myself who have been posting the truth about socialism and communism.

Does "implementing socialism in the U.S. will affect me?" YES, it will affect everyone, and unlike "left-wingers" like yourself I know by experience full well what socialism and communism will do if they were ever implemented in the U.S.


You don't have 'truth', you have opinion.
You don't know anything about me, or my circumstances.
You are merely railing-on about your opinions.

You seem to have gone from communism to Capitalism, and somehow feel to need to crap all over anyone whom doesn't agree with you.

How far along are you to bringing all of your poor family to come and rejoice in your newfound riches?



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse




Does "implementing socialism in the U.S. will affect me?" YES, it will affect everyone, and unlike "left-wingers" like yourself I know by experience full well what socialism and communism will do if they were ever implemented in the U.S.


Can you even see your disconnect? Even "left Wingers" own businesses, hire employees or are employed by corporation who's sole purpose is to make a profit for the stock holders in a capitalistic system. The US isn't Cuba or Venezuela and never will be....give it a rest, amigo.


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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
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There's a reason why we will always be in debt. We will never get out of debt. The economy is rigged for exploitation from the currency on up.



Who caused that?... PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS who in 1913, and with the help of Woodrow Wilson, gave the power of the economy to the Federal Reserve. They were the same people who introduced the "progressive taxes" which have "enslaved people in the U.S.," as you say...

Yet you want to claim that PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS/SOCIALISTS will make things better?...

If you look at the websites of those "rich people" you are complaining about, such as the Rockerfellers, you will find that they are espousing the same ideas and "changes" that left-wingers/socialists/communists want...

www.facebook.com...




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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Thank you for the response. Peace to you and here is to hoping we can reach a compromise before it is too late.




posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: Nothin

You don't have 'truth', you have opinion.


Wrong, I have facts from experience and from the millions of Cubans and Venezuelans who disagree with you.


originally posted by: Nothin
You don't know anything about me, or my circumstances.


Whatever your "circumstances" you are better off than most people living under socialism, and/or communism.


originally posted by: Nothin
You are merely railing-on about your opinions.


Wrong again, those "railing-on about their opinions" are people like you who haven't lived under socialism or communism.


originally posted by: Nothin
You seem to have gone from communism to Capitalism, and somehow feel to need to crap all over anyone whom doesn't agree with you.


You are living better than most people under socialism and communism, but you want do dismiss and ignored those who actually have experienced socialism and/or communism.


originally posted by: Nothin
How far along are you to bringing all of your poor family to come and rejoice in your newfound riches?


Democrats made sure that Cubans have no chance to escape from the dictatorship anymore thanks to Bill Clinton who introduced "wet feet/dry feet," meanwhile he used the U.S. Coast Guard (military) to enforce immigration laws. Then Obama who shut down "wet feet/dry feet" which was the last policy that allowed Cubans to seek asylum in the U.S.



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