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Here is what Happens in a Socialist Economy.

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posted on Mar, 6 2019 @ 01:05 AM

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You are actually referring to fascism


Yep, a very progressive idea from a socialist...

Yikes indeed.

Yet their ideologies were rooted in specific philosophical ideas—ideas which had many respectable adherents in their day.

One person who understands this is Jonah Goldberg, author of the 2007 book Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning. Ten years on, the book still holds up. Goldberg argues, provocatively, that fascism shared roots in common with what we call modern liberalism or progressivism. People often argue over whether Hitler and Mussolini were “right wing” or “left wing.” More to the point is that both men's ideologies had roots in the Progressive movement of the turn of the 20th century.

The Progressive movement was closely tied to the philosophy of Pragmatism: the belief that thought is a tool for action and change. In contrast to the ancient and medieval philosophers, for whom philosophy was the contemplation of reality, the Progressives were animated by the desire to mold reality and to harness knowledge for social betterment. Many in the vanguard of progressive thought initially were enamored of Mussolini and even Hitler, considering their dictatorships a usefulsocial experiment.

H.G. Wells, the popular science fiction writer, was one. In a number of speeches and books he praised the militaristic social mobilization in the new fascist regimes: [size=4an entire society moving as a single unit under the rule of a Nietzschean superman. Complete state control of all aspects of life was seen as highly pragmatic and scientific by many. Nationalism and militarism—elements commonly associated with the Right—were actually key components of the Progressive Era, flourishing in particular under President Woodrow Wilson, as Goldberg documents.

Popular wisdom holds that Fascism and Communism were diametrical opposites. Actually, the two ideologies were (and are) so similar that they had to define themselves in opposition to each other in order to survive. At the very least, both were socialistic in origin: Mussolini was immersed in socialism by his father, and the name of Hitler's party—National Socialist German Workers' Party—speaks for itself.

These regimes fostered hostility to traditional religious beliefs and morality (both men despised Christianity), “salvation by science” (as shown, for example, in the Nazi's racist eugenics movement), and state-controlled health and environmental projects (as shown in a Nazi slogan,Nutrition is not a private matter!”).

As matter of fact, and in case you didn't know Hitler didn't murder or incarcerated all socialists, or communists. He in fact advocated for the recruitment of socialists and communists to his own version of socialism, and to his cause.

Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant
Quotes attributed to Adolf Hitler in Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant, (1978)

New Haven and London, Yale University Press, 1985

Only then will it be possible to work jointly to find and travel the road from individualism to socialism without revolution, without the destruction of the most precious treasures, without annihilation of irreplaceable lives, and without regression to a lower level of civilization and culture as well as a lower standard of living and life in general.
p. 14
Here you see the difference between the former age of individualism and the socialism that is on the horizon.

p. 16
In socialism of the future…what counts is the whole, the community of the Volk. The individual and his life play only a subsidiary role. He can be sacrificed—he is prepared to sacrifice himself should the whole demand it, should the commonwealth call for it.

p. 16
But that's precisely the problem we have set out to solve: to convert the German Volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists, without destruction of property and values,

p. 17
We are living in an age of great radical change, as I have said before—an evolution from individualism to socialism, from self-interest to the public interest, from the ‘I’ to the ‘we.’
p. 23

But we National Socialists wish precisely to attract all socialists, even the Communists; we wish to win them over from their international camp to the national one.
p. 26

Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant

Every time a leftist claims "militarism and nationalism are right-wing" i have to chuckle. Was Gandhi right-wing?... He was after all a National Socialist.

And as to "militarization"... Countries like India are socialist, and are very militaristic. What about North Korea, China, the former U.S.S.R., Cuba, Vietnam, etc... Weren't/aren't they all militaristic as well?...

Nationalism and militarism are found in socialist and communist regimes, so this claim by the "denialists" in left-wing circles is simply false.

Stalin himself was a nationalist but also a communist. In socialism and communism there are two main camps. Those who are nationalist, and those who are internationalists.

Sucks to admit the truth doesn't it?...

edit on 6-3-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment and correct link and excerpt.

posted on Mar, 7 2019 @ 02:44 PM

Really?... Mussolini, a lifelong socialist who created his own version of SOCIALISM employed the help of corporations to help with his version of socialism..

The Progressive Roots of Fascism

Not to mention the fact that the socialists at the UN want to implement a global socialist system derived from corporate governance.

Democratising Global Governance:

The Challenges of the World Social Forum


Francesca Beausang


This paper sums up the debate that took place during the two round tables organized by UNESCO within the first World Social Forum in Porto Alegre (25/30 January 2001). It starts with a discussion of national processes, by examining democracy and then governance at the national level. It first states a case for a "joint" governance based on a combination of stakeholder theory, which is derived from corporate governance, and of UNESCO's priorities in the field of governance. As an example, the paper investigates how governance can deviate from democracy in the East Asian model. Subsequently, the global dimension of the debate on democracy and governance is examined, first by identification of the characteristics and agents of democracy in the global setting, and then by allusion to the difficulties of transposing governance to the global level.

So your claim that in socialism there can't be no corporations is false.

Complete NONSENSE! You are NOT referring to economic socialism. The US is NOT becoming economically socialist like Venezuela. The comparison is completely irrational. You are fear mongering here, plain and simple. It's the big evil S word trying create fake outrage among conservatives. Having universal healthcare or cheaper higher education DOES NOT make the US economically socialist. The government DOES NOT control production of goods and most services. There is exactly a 0% chance that the US becomes full blown socialist. Some people have no clue.

Economic socialism =/= democratic socialism. Stop the nonsense already. The republican party is on the verge of collapse, so all you people have left is to create fake fear over the horrible evil liberals looking to turn us into Soviet Russia. Grow up.

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posted on Mar, 7 2019 @ 03:23 PM
a reply to: Barcs

I gave you a star, I wonder how many others will...of course it's nonsense, but you have plenty on the right believing must be coordinated because I saw the letters to the editor in our own newspaper with right-wingers saying the same thing....I think FOX NEWS, and RUSH LIMBAUGH, are the only entities these people believe. any hint of bi-partisanship, and the right-wing media goes apes**t.

posted on Mar, 9 2019 @ 10:38 AM
a reply to: jimmyx

Very true. People just follow their mantras. It seems like conservatives are in desperation mode, so they continue to straw man democratic socialism.

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