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Pros and Cons of abortion.....

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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: Bloodworth

in 2014, approximately 19% of US pregnancies ended in abortion.
89% of abortions occur in the first trimester.

abort73.com...

seems to me that you aren't gonna eliminate the number of abortions (which have been going down consistently for years) without restricting the first trimester abortions, which seems to be rather unpopular to the public. they would rather focus on that around 1% that occur in the last trimester which already regulated and often can't be obtained without certain conditions being present..




posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: Bloodworth
she should have been wearing a pair of overly tight jeans, everyone knows that you can't rape a women wearing overly tight jeans!!
/sarc



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:06 AM
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I see abortion as a death penalty for a child for simply being inconvenient. If you want to talk death penalty for adults I am ready to talk about it.



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: Nickn3
I see abortion as a death penalty for a child for simply being inconvenient. If you want to talk death penalty for adults I am ready to talk about it.


Yes we been though that.

But should a women who was raped be forced to go through the pregnancy even if each stage triggers hardcore trauma?

I don't know....how is late term abortion or even out of the womb abortion even considered in healthy circumstances?

Why do the rules seem all over the place



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: Bloodworth

pray tell, what is out of womb abortion?? once born, the fetus is an infant. there are laws against infanticide.



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Bloodworth

pray tell, what is out of womb abortion?? once born, the fetus is an infant. there are laws against infanticide.




I just saw on TV a lady say there are no limits..I believe she wrote the bill.
Some guy then doubled down and said it's possible for a baby to be born, placed aside comfortably and that a dr and women can have a discussion about to keep the child or not? Could that be accurate?



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: Nickn3
I see abortion as a death penalty for a child for simply being inconvenient. If you want to talk death penalty for adults I am ready to talk about it.


Yes we been though that.

But should a women who was raped be forced to go through the pregnancy even if each stage triggers hardcore trauma?

I don't know....how is late term abortion or even out of the womb abortion even considered in healthy circumstances?

Why do the rules seem all over the place


The number of people ignoring your direct question in favor of saying things like "let's talk about the death penalty!" is pretty telling.

Pros:
-In cases of non-viability it can ease the suffering of EVERYONE involved (child included)
-Can help save the life of the mother if a medical emergency comes up during pregnancy
-Can ease the suffering of rape victims
-Can ease the lifelong burden of raising a kid in poverty
-If the mother is mentally unfit to raise a child, it's an option
-The "best" way (least amount of suffering) to prevent a birth into a terrible situation (kid born to drug addict, who in turn sells child's body for drugs, i.e. child prostitution)
-If the parent can't afford a kid and it would be destined for a life of homelessness/etc, it is a potential way to prevent the suffering of the child. (To everyone that says "just put it up for adoption", are you then in favor of SOCIALIST programs that pay for the health and well-being of the child? If not, are you going to pay for it yourself?)

Cons:
-Stops the chance of the embryo growing up to be a good member of society (cure cancer, etc)
-Some mothers regret it later

Bottom line, abortion is medically required sometimes. It should in no way be made illegal. Obviously this crap about "after-birth" abortions is insane, but normal abortion should continue to be legal.

Rapes happen, unfortunately. No rape victim should have to carry her attacker's child to term.

Accidents happen. "Just don't have sex" is the stupidest solution possible. We're humans. Humans are biologically wired to have sex, abstinence just doesn't work. Condoms break, birth control fails, etc etc etc.

If a 13 year old girl gets pregnant by her 15 year old boyfriend because the condom broke, you think that child should be legally required to carry the baby to term, then raise it and care for it's every need? Talk about government intervention (I thought we were for less government?). How is she going to do that in this country, where the cost of living is going up yearly, without some sort of education? She certainly won't be able to flipping burgers or any other minimum wage job. Raising a kid is a full-time job, and going to school (trade school, college, etc) is also a full time job. Without placing undo burden on her entire family, it wouldn't work. Plus, there are medical implications to think about for such a young/small girl giving birth.
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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: Bloodworth
infanticide is illegal and a law passed in 2002 I believe it was declares that a child who survives abortion is just as much an infant, and should be treated as an infant in all laws, regulations, ect.
so, no, no doctor is killing babies legally, and if they are doing it illegally, well, ain't no changes to the law is gonna change that, prosecuting the doctor or at least taking his license away would.
but, anyone who thinks that they are talking about healthy babies here is kind of nutty I think. they are talking about children with severe birth defects, nonviable births, babies that aren't gonna survive without intense medical intervention. such babies can be born natural and is probably more common than any that are born live via abortion. and any person who has a loved one that has deteriorated to the point where they cannot live without life support and there is no reasonable believe that there will be improvement will be given the option of removing that life support and allowing the patient, their loved one, to pass in peace. that includes babies born nonviable, never will be viable if they are born naturally and by the federal law of 2002, I kind of think that the law requires that parents of those who survived abortion...somehow...be given the same opportunity to decide just how they want their baby to pass on!



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: Bloodworth
When does the father have a say?


I dont know of any cases where the woman will terminate IF she is with

the father..... but I am sure that there will be some men who if the

relationship is over and there is a pregnancy will move hell and high

water to try and make the woman keep the baby....... Its a form of

control.



And if it's down to the person whose body it is, is it acceptable to allow women use abortion as a form of birth control.


NO .... but no form of contraceptive is 100%.



And finally how late? Is it still a womens choice because it's her body to terminate a completely healthy child a few hours before giving birth?



Ideally 12 to 16 weeks gestation should be long enough but the law allows 20 weeks



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: Plotus

hamper · hinder · obstruct · impede · check · cramp · inhibit · restrict · limit · constrain · restrain · bog down · retard · slow · slow down · stall · delay · inconvenienceOK.......Is that what YOU were ? An Encumbrance ???



Thats what I would have been had I not been wanted.



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: Nickn3
I see abortion as a death penalty for a child for simply being inconvenient. If you want to talk death penalty for adults I am ready to talk about it.


Using the word child along with death penalty is deliberately emotive.

It is a fetus that is terminated not a child.



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Nickn3
I see abortion as a death penalty for a child for simply being inconvenient. If you want to talk death penalty for adults I am ready to talk about it.


Using the word child along with death penalty is deliberately emotive.

It is a fetus that is terminated not a child.

That is eternally sad..... that life would be considered of so little importance. It is the way of the world never the less, and will always be. We are not new in this practice, we have only pushed, or attempted to push it to the absolute extremes. So much love exterminated... Love so divided. Instant gratification generation getting their Kicks.
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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: Plotus
That is eternally sad..... that life would be considered of so little importance. It is the way of the world never the less, and will always be.


It is an assumption of a life, and always looked on through rose coloured

spectacles. But life throws a hard ball sometimes, not always rainbows

unicorns and sunshine.

How often have I heard Oh it could have been an Einstein or Michelangelo

never a Jeffry Dahmer or Ted Bundy




We are not new in this practice, we have only pushed, or attempted to push it to the absolute extremes. So much love exterminated...


Save your pity and sadness for the poor souls born to be abused by those

who have only self love to be able to do the dredful things they do to those

having been born.



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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What the flip was I thinking making this thread....

Are there many people out there that believe in late term abortion of a healthy fetus and mother?

The only case I could think of the people getting abortions for convenience rather then health is that they are the losers of the world and we shouldn't want loser offspring?



posted on Mar, 1 2019 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: Nickn3
I see abortion as a death penalty for a child for simply being inconvenient. If you want to talk death penalty for adults I am ready to talk about it.

What do you think convalescent homes are for? To get rid of people who are no longer convenient for society. Oh, but those people are old and not cute little babies so I guess to hell with them right?

If you're going to be anti-abortion, you better be putting just as much energy into giving actual adults in long-term care facilities the dignity and attention they deserve.

Society kills people all the time. Always has. That's part of the price you pay to live in it.



posted on Mar, 2 2019 @ 09:14 AM
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ya know what, I think it's time for those who keep bringing up these late term abortions "for convenience sake" to do a little research themselves, and look and see just how many states haven't banned them! most states have placed restrictions as to the circumstances where they will be allowed. and, it's the supreme court decisions that there has to be exceptions for the life and health (mental health as well as general health) of the mother.




The current U.S. Supreme Court standard holds that states may prohibit abortion after fetal viability so long as there are exceptions for the life and health (both physical and mental) of the woman. Under this legal standard, viability—which can range from 24 to 28 weeks after the start of the woman’s last menstrual period (LMP) —must be determined on an individual basis, and determinations of both fetal viability and the woman’s health are at the discretion of the patient’s physician. In addition, states may not require that additional physicians confirm an attending physician’s judgment that the woman’s life or health is at risk in cases of medical emergency.

www.guttmacher.org...


the other two usual exceptions are rape/incest and severe fetal abnormalities (of which, if severe enough one could argue would mean that the fetus will never be a viable fetus!!)

and ya know what, it's rather insane to think that a women is gonna go through 2/3 of her "inconvenient pregnancy" and then suddenly opt to abort that late when it is so much more expensive!!! I am not saying that it might not occasionally happen but it is far being the norm and shouldn't be portrayed as being the norm!!

if yous want to go after those abortions for convenience then you need to go after the abortions that are occuring in the earlier state of pregnancy, if you just want to increase the pain and misery in the world, well, ya, keep going after the late terms that are already regulated by most states, or go gripe at those states that aren't regulating them I guess. both NY and Virginia have bans with exceptions by the way.




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