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Science WILL eventually prove the existence of God

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posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 06:14 PM
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As an atheist I really don't like saying this but I'm curious where the flaws in my thinking are.

The idea that we are living in a simulation seems to be perfectly accepted as a valid theory (or hypothesis for you nerds).
We are not there yet, but when we can make a simulation that is indistinguishable from reality we will make another.
Then another, then another...

If it's indistinguishable from reality then once the first one is created then the chances you are in reality is 50%, after the 2nd one is made it drops to 33.3%, after the 99th you're down to a 1% chance that you were not created by an interdimensional being that lives outside time.

Even if you're lucky enough to be in reality #1, there will be a point when you're a fool if you believed that to be the case.
Maybe not at 1%, what about 0.1%, or 0.00000001%.

Is it possible that we've been born into a world without a god and have the potential to make it a mathematical certainty?




posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
As an atheist I really don't like saying this but I'm curious where the flaws in my thinking are.

The idea that we are living in a simulation seems to be perfectly accepted as a valid theory (or hypothesis for you nerds).
We are not there yet, but when we can make a simulation that is indistinguishable from reality we will make another.
Then another, then another...

If it's indistinguishable from reality then once the first one is created then the chances you are in reality is 50%, after the 2nd one is made it drops to 33.3%, after the 99th you're down to a 1% chance that you were not created by an interdimensional being that lives outside time.

Even if you're lucky enough to be in reality #1, there will be a point when you're a fool if you believed that to be the case.
Maybe not at 1%, what about 0.1%, or 0.00000001%.

Is it possible that we've been born into a world without a god and have the potential to make it a mathematical certainty?


We cannot live in a simulation; we could only believe we are living in a simulation. Even if you were plugged into a simulation that is indistinguishable from reality, you'd still be in reality.



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

The second coming will probably occur first.

Science will never prove that God exists, they can only point to such ideas as intelligent design.

Of course, proving that anything does not exist is not in the realm of science since the negative can never be proven.

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posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: MadLad
We cannot live in a simulation; we could only believe we are living in a simulation. Even if you were plugged into a simulation that is indistinguishable from reality, you'd still be in reality.


That's assuming you're the star of the simulation.
Another mathematical unlikelihood.



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: MadLad
We cannot live in a simulation; we could only believe we are living in a simulation. Even if you were plugged into a simulation that is indistinguishable from reality, you'd still be in reality.


That's assuming you're the star of the simulation.
Another mathematical unlikelihood.


What I am assuming is something like the Matrix, with our minds in one reality and our bodies in another. Unless we're able to travel, body and all, to these other simulations?



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Throughout history we have made gods though.

This god, that god, those gods.

We do that in an attempt to describe something that we cannot at this point fathom.

As far as a simulation we are living in, that in my opinion is a partial truth.

The problem I think is that our material conscious "awake" and "alive" world is just a small part of the picture.

So the idea that we are living in a simulation is just the latest attempt to explain the rest of the equation that we are only given glimpses of.

Is there what we would define as a "higher power" out there, beyond what we call reality now?

Of course there is.

Is it the Christian God, the Nordic Gods, the Gods and Goddesses worshiped by who knows how many lost religions?

Of course it isn't.

All it really boils down to is that it is a sum greater than its parts.

And we are all just a part of it.




posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 06:52 PM
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a reply to: MadLad

I'm thinking more Sims.



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 06:52 PM
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posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
Throughout history we have made gods though.


Absolutely, the point is that we have the potential to make it a mathematical certainty in the future.

There still won't be a god, but atheists will no longer having science backing them up.



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 07:02 PM
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Science will never prove that God exists, they can only point to such ideas as intelligent design.



Nor will science ever prove that jinns/demons exist. Yet I (and many other people) know with absolute certainty they do exist. (Through personal encounters). Somethings simply can not be explained through science. That certainly includes God.



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 07:07 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: Lumenari
Throughout history we have made gods though.


Absolutely, the point is that we have the potential to make it a mathematical certainty in the future.

There still won't be a god, but atheists will no longer having science backing them up.


Not exactly true, since the existence of a higher power is because of people's belief in a higher power, for lack of a better term.

Sorry, my primary language is not a written one and sometimes translating the concept to English isn't easy.

We are all parts of something much larger than the sum of the parts.

Quantum physics is the addition and subtraction phase of what we need to learn.

Once we are a few more steps beyond quantum physics, then we will be able to flesh out what reality actually is.

Once there, we will be able to make our own realities.

Although some peoples that have no understanding of math beyond "over ten is many many" have already accomplished this.

So your idea is on the right track.

Kinda.




posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 07:09 PM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Science doesn't prove anything. It's based on falsification. It disproves a lot but doesn't ever conclusively prove anything. That's the point...



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Gödel's incompleteness theorems say basically that there will always be something missing in an axiomatic system which can never fully define its own consistency.

This means that there will always be some doubt.

Science is such an axiomatic system and as such will never define a truly complete description of itself.

So there will always be room for the supernatural to be outside of definitions by naturalistic explanations.



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 07:40 PM
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originally posted by: dug88
Science doesn't prove anything. It's based on falsification. It disproves a lot but doesn't ever conclusively prove anything. That's the point...


OK, you've got me on a technicality then.
Although proved or 99.9999999% likely doesn't really hurt my point.



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: dug88
Science doesn't prove anything. It's based on falsification. It disproves a lot but doesn't ever conclusively prove anything. That's the point...


OK, you've got me on a technicality then.
Although proved or 99.9999999% likely doesn't really hurt my point.


No honestly the rest of your actual op was just a bunch of incoherent nonsense...



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 07:50 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: MadLad

I'm thinking more Sims.



It seems god would be about as likely to live in a simulation as we do, wouldn’t it? I’m aware of the theory, but it seems infinitely regressive.



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: MadLad
It seems god would be about as likely to live in a simulation as we do, wouldn’t it? I’m aware of the theory, but it seems infinitely regressive.


Not really, by definition god needs the ability to be outside it.
But you're right it's infinitely regressive.

It's the infinite regression which makes it infinitely more likely that there is a being outside which created us than it is that we are the top of the pyramid.



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 08:07 PM
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originally posted by: dug88
No honestly the rest of your actual op was just a bunch of incoherent nonsense...


hahahahahaha Nice!!!

Unfortunately this is the internet,
I think you're too stupid to read it properly and you think I'm too stupid to write it properly.

Classic stalemate.



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 08:37 PM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

We are God we are everything and everything is us we are a collective . Imagine the tiny cells in our blood or the bacteria that lives within us . We are its Universe.
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posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 08:49 PM
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I am currently researching science and have opened a new theory of something I call a "Stynth", here are three Stynths I found using mathematics and the Periodic Table of the Elements.



Everything about the Stynth reaches out to the supernatural aka higher living, we use Harmonics, and Psionic is the higher order.

Here is a potential higher being:




Feel free to visit my thread on Stynth science!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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