The rise of Socialism and it's appeal to young people is troubling

originally posted by: MadLad
I don't think these figures account for economic mobility. The number of millionaires, especially in the US, is increasing exponentially year by year.

The millionaires stat is kind of a bogus thing to go off of.

My first million....I went to bed one night, woke up the next morning. That was it. Property values had gone gang-busters in my area, overnight. In some areas, values tripled...overnight.

Now, did this make me wealthier, poorer, or unchanged?

a reply to: MadLad

No, I'll give you that. Those stats don't really touch the subject, and I am not particularly well-versed. That said, I've seen some evidence that some indicators of economic mobility growth is down.


This is an article from Forbes, but of course take it with a grain of salt.

Blame star trek.

A future without money and everything coming out of a machine tit.

a reply to: neoholographic



I saw a lot of mind programming to this degree in 'comedy' shows like SNL where there are skits talking about how the Boomers 'ruined' the economy and 'we younger people deserve to have their wealth.' I am not a boomer so I don't have a personal axe to grind, but yes it's very prevalent.

a reply to: UncleTomahawk

Good ole star trek.

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
Blame star trek.

A future without money and everything coming out of a machine tit.

Except in Star Trek people are worth the value they bring to their societies. SO most of these people here today wanting socialism would still be worthless in the Star Trek universe too (hell the BORG probably wouldn't even assimilate them)

a reply to: VoiceOfTheEmperor

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Like I said, society is more decentralized because of technology but many lazy young people want a Behemoth, centralized Government that will give them cradle to the grave "free" stuff.

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: neoholographic

A socialism movement seems to be the legacy of unbridled capitalism. When 1% of the world holds 50% or more of the world's wealth and student debt is piling up, with no end in sight...coupled with the polluting of the world and the destruction of natural resources...well, what do you expect? Do you expect them to embrace the status quo?

Ok first off do you understand how and why student debt became a problem - because it is a pretty recent phenomenon that has a very simple solution.

It became a problem when student debt became ineligible to be discharged in bankruptcy. What this meant is lendors had almost nothing to fear in loaning huge amounts to young people, because they had very good odds of eventually getting paid back - which led colleges to up their tuition 100's of percent higher for no other reason than they could get away with it.

The simple- dead simple plan for high student debt and unaffordable college tuition is just to make student debt dischargable again. That one simple change to the law will make the problem go away, and is a 10,000 times better solution than paying outrageous tutions to colleges from taxpayers. All we need is a true free market again and the problem goes away. By the way healthcare can be solved the same way.

Second - we don't have a problem with natural resources. We are only a few short years away from being able to mine asteroids, the moon and other planets in our solar system, and the world population is expected to begin decreasing in just a few decades.

Third, pollution and greener solutions are already being developed by the private sector at an extremely fast rate. There is already a ton of demand for such solutions, and billions and billions are being invested to meet that demand. The only defensible government money that may provide good results would be funding for nuclear research. 4th/5th gen nuclear fission and nuclear fusion are by far the best forms of energy generation and are lagging a bit - primarily due to the existing regulations which are outdated.

originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: MadLad
I don't think these figures account for economic mobility. The number of millionaires, especially in the US, is increasing exponentially year by year.

The millionaires stat is kind of a bogus thing to go off of.

My first million....I went to bed one night, woke up the next morning. That was it. Property values had gone gang-busters in my area, overnight. In some areas, values tripled...overnight.

Now, did this make me wealthier, poorer, or unchanged?

That's essentially my point, and what I mean by economic mobility. It's just not the case that the people in the 1% and the 99% are always in those percentiles.

"It turns out that 12 percent of the population will find themselves in the top 1 percent of the income distribution for at least one year. What’s more, 39 percent of Americans will spend a year in the top 5 percent of the income distribution, 56 percent will find themselves in the top 10 percent, and a whopping 73 percent will spend a year in the top 20 percent of the income distribution."

www.nytimes.com...

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: neoholographic



I saw a lot of mind programming to this degree in 'comedy' shows like SNL where there are skits talking about how the Boomers 'ruined' the economy and 'we younger people deserve to have their wealth.' I am not a boomer so I don't have a personal axe to grind, but yes it's very prevalent.

Yep, that's the mentality!

a reply to: Guyfriday

!!!

The borg was the bad kind of socialism!

The Federation was the good kind of socialism!

originally posted by: Guyfriday

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
Blame star trek.

A future without money and everything coming out of a machine tit.

Except in Star Trek people are worth the value they bring to their societies. SO most of these people here today wanting socialism would still be worthless in the Star Trek universe too (hell the BORG probably wouldn't even assimilate them)

I dunno....

If i were commander i would still find a good use for aoc.

a reply to: headorheart

That's because very few of the degrees on offer at most universities are worth what you have to pay to get them.

And you again go back to government getting involved to make college "affordable" for everyone. There is no barrier to taking out whatever loan you need to get whatever degree you want. Do you want to study underwater basket weaving? Sure! The government guarantees you can borrow whatever you need to take 6+ years to do it. Of course, no one will hire you at anything like the salary you would need in order to pay off those loans, but the government will make your college years "afforadable" for you anyhow.

And the colleges know this and there is no incentive at all at any stage for them to either trim their trash degree programs like underwater basket weaving (at least some starving academic has to make a living with that degree) or to hold down any of their rates of tuition for anything. So they've repeatedly hiked tuition far in excess of the rate of inflation, and why shouldn't they? The government has deep pockets. It will keep handing over loans to kids too stupid to think about what they're doing.

And then you become a loan payment and tax slave for the rest of your life.

a reply to: neoholographic

Believe whatever you want. Nothing wrong with learning code, sure. That said, you sure seem to know a lot about young people.

originally posted by: MadLad
That's essentially my point, and what I mean by economic mobility. It's just not the case that the people in the 1% and the 99% are always in those percentiles.

My assets and liabilities increased, but my cash flow remained the same. My economic mobility decreased from this, it did not increase.

originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: MadLad
That's essentially my point, and what I mean by economic mobility. It's just not the case that the people in the 1% and the 99% are always in those percentiles.

My assets and liabilities increased, but my cash flow remained the same. My economic mobility decreased from this, it did not increase.

Economic mobility travels both ways.

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk

originally posted by: Guyfriday

originally posted by: UncleTomahawk
Blame star trek.

A future without money and everything coming out of a machine tit.

Except in Star Trek people are worth the value they bring to their societies. SO most of these people here today wanting socialism would still be worthless in the Star Trek universe too (hell the BORG probably wouldn't even assimilate them)

I dunno....

If i were commander i would still find a good use for aoc.

There were always two ways to solve the dilemma in Wrath of Khan. One way was for Spock to choose to make himself the noble sacrifice. The other was for Kirk to line up all the red shirts and send them in until the job was done. AOC would fit the red shirt line pretty well. Of course, I'm not sure we could trust her to insert socket A into hole B very reliably. She has strange notions about a lot of things, and I'm not talking about conflicting ideology.

Keep ignoring their concerns over the economy and telling them to shut up and work harder

Y'all are creating your own worst enemy

a reply to: neoholographic

I was reading an article the other day speaking on this subject.

The problem is that when capitalism goes out of control and the working class is oppressed/thinks it's being oppressed. They want change. And seemingly the change they want is socialism. But we know were socialism ends up.

The long and short of the article. Capitalism needs to compromise on it's need for profit vs employee pay. Keep your working class happy. Then all talk of socialism dwindles.

originally posted by: MadLad
Economic mobility travels both ways.

Has the "potential" to travel both ways.

The vast majority of our historical data shows us at a very low point right now. That is a good indicator that it is time for change.

Will I like the change? Who knows? Maybe I will take my turn shaking my fist and telling them to get off my lawn. Maybe it will turn into something great. Either way, it is their world soon, and they should be allowed to change it...just like the generations before us, and just like we did.