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Maduro, Venezuela, Burns Aid Trucks Bringing Food and Medicine to Venezuelans.

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posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: Bone75
I thought starving Venezuelans was a good thing? We've been doing it through sanctions for years now as a way of incentivizing the people to change their government... and look... it's working!


VZ sanctions were against party individuals, government officials, and government accounts. It also ended their potential ICO from fleecing the alt-coin market to cover up for their failed monetary policy.

There are NO sanctions against the Venezuelan people.

Here you go


It's so ironic that you used the U.S. Treasury as a source. Imagine what would happen to this country if all their accounts were frozen.




posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: Bone75

What other source is there? They're are the issuing authority.




Imagine what would happen to this country if all their accounts were frozen.


We're not starving people to death by the millions because Socialism.



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Duck and weave much?


Nope. If they still had their guns, Maduro would be less of a tyrant. But socialism requires gun confiscation, or at least severe regulation, which only harms the law abiding.

You mentioned starving people, and I thought Bernie was relevant.



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: Bone75
I thought starving Venezuelans was a good thing? We've been doing it through sanctions for years now as a way of incentivizing the people to change their government... and look... it's working!


VZ sanctions were against party individuals, government officials, and government accounts. It also ended their potential ICO from fleecing the alt-coin market to cover up for their failed monetary policy.

There are NO sanctions against the Venezuelan people.

Here you go


It's so ironic that you used the U.S. Treasury as a source. Imagine what would happen to this country if all their accounts were frozen.


Another reason why you don't nationalize the means of production, if you also plan to adhere to the tenents of a world body with sanctioning power, or conduct trade.



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 10:31 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Yeah? No. Raw data is what's called raw data, you chose to ignore the context like one of those 'woke' zealots.



Presented in a fashion so as to invite people to view the data themselves and make up their own minds.


And your gubment has neither a political agenda nor a somewhat historic track record of lying to the people?

That's a good one!



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 10:45 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The problem for socialism at this level is the greatest threat to the regime and corrupt ruling class is any loss of control over what the population can or cannot get.

Foreign aid delivered to the people circumventing that power structure is that threat.

The regime needs to be able to control who gets what, when, where and how much based on loyalty, merit, politics and connections.

Socialism is all about dependence and control, if they lose that they lose it all, so of course they will fight any kind of aid they can't distribute and control themselves.

imo



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Are you refuting my post or what you hallucinated I wrote?



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 11:05 AM
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That’s really wild. Aren’t socialists supposed to care about the welfare of the collective... oh wait the common people can be sacrificed for the good of the Agenda.



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: projectvxn

Yeah? No. Raw data is what's called raw data, you chose to ignore the context like one of those 'woke' zealots.



Presented in a fashion so as to invite people to view the data themselves and make up their own minds.


And your gubment has neither a political agenda nor a somewhat historic track record of lying to the people?

That's a good one!




As IF governments around the world aren’t part of this concerted efforts by elites to control all the worlds resources and this control the populations of the earth by their iron rule and even eliminate most of us while ostensibly “protecting the environment “.
I recommend doing some research. Rosa Koire is a good place to start. democratsagainstunagenda.com



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 11:11 AM
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So it’s nice to have all the armchair historians on here, with their assessments and evaluations of the inequities of nations that have tried socialism. Interestingly, the highest of actual historians seem to disagree. Zinn, Blum, and the arguably greatest intellectual and historian of the US, Chomsky, all beg to differ. And the histories they present are not the obvious false narratives others on here spew which were obviously designed to support either the neoliberal, corporatist, or Warhawk agendas. They have complex evaluations of the many different pressures brought to bear on many of these countries, rather than an ideological wash of “everyone knows socialism is bad, and those who try an alternative to our for profit model deserve to starve to death, or the flaming bombs of American freedom”.



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

Another reason why you don't nationalize the means of production, if you also plan to adhere to the tenents of a world body with sanctioning power, or conduct trade.


So globalism good... socialism bad.

You're a tool for the NWO and don't even realize it... or maybe you do?



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn


I was asking about the ones here. Not the DNC who would do well to distance themselves from the socialist candidates they have endorsed in recent months.


It appears they are. Establishment democrats are going to try to hold power or they'll lose all of their corporate donors.



I would never accuse you of being one.


I know you wouldn't bud, just reiterating my stance on that as me and you have had several conversations across various threads that others likely hadn't seen.

What's the threshold? The real question is how many civilians do we let them murder before it becomes appropriate to intervene? Is it a numbers game?


We shouldn't ever solely intervene again. We've lost the trust of not only the global community but that of our citizens, and also our youth that we send to intervene.

Intervention should be a concerted effort between multiple nations, preferably not all of the same agenda. When we've partnered with Russia in past conflicts we've gotten good results as there was balance.


Neocons and Neolibs will do what they do. Promote war. But we can also speak out against Maduro, socialism, and express our support for the Venezuelan people and not HAVE TO go to war.


Now me and you are seeing eye to eye. Unfortunately, early indicators make me worried this will not be dealt with correctly.


The implicit support for socialism on the American left is undeniable. Socialism isn't a benign political philosophy or a list of government services cherry-picked from the private market for nationalization. It is a total departure from the philosophies that made us a free nation. It is NOT McCarthyism, it is reality.


Socialism doesn't have much traction yet as a true government style, there are two prominent politicians who tout that position, AOC and Bernie. Both are getting push back.

It's fair to say the left is embracing more social programs, but they've always done this in recent history. Truth be told, we already have many social programs, schools, fire departments, police departments. The arguement has always been when it is excess.

That said, I say Mccarthyism because that is when we use buzz words to end debate and even circumvent the law. There is no denying the patriot act has done this in the realm of terrorism, and now it is spilling over back to Russia where the term originally took hold.

If Tulsi Gabbard becomes successful in her campaign, I expect she will get the same treatment as Trump as they have already called her a Russian favorite, and unintentionally receiving support from Russia.


If we do nothing, what is the cost? Perhaps we should let that experiment run its course. But then who would history view as the true criminals?


We do nothing with most of the countries that are worse off than Venezuela, are we criminals now?

We should do something, but only in the scope of cooperation with the international community.

We always foot the bill with out soldiers and our money.

It's time the world steps up so we can share cost and blame.

We need to focus on our veterans who are being neglected, our declining mental and physical health that is rampant, and our dilapidated infrastructure.



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Lumenari

I'm not convinced AGW theory is wrong as many of my fellow conservatives assert.

I am convinced liberals will use anything to implement socialism wherever they can.

They LOVE nationalization of industry and that has been the goal of the liberal use of AGW.

MY position is that the problem has a scientific and engineering solution. If we caused it then we can change it. We did it with the ozone layer, we can do it with the increase in greenhouse gasses as emitted by our activity.

We need to SELL our way out of this problem not tax and enslave and impoverish our way out. The tech is there. We don't need the left's socialism and slavery.

As a Professional Environmental Scientist I believe we are being taken advantage of as the Natural Cycles that occur over millions of years are called CYCLES for a reason.

IT IS A HOAX 100% that we can affect the temperature enough to save us from what our Sun will be doing. We DO alter our eco system and harm what is good for people as a whole, yes.


And no model seems to account for solar cycles, or water vapor.


Or any thing that is the least bit logical either from my observations.

Last week I met a family friend of the Al Gore family. This person knows of the very car I talk about on here that runs on water. I was relaying that Al ignored my professional inquiries on why NASA was wanting $1 Million for the specific Hydrolysis device that could be used to create H2 on demand to feed to an electric motor. MAYBE they will contact him again and put a bug in his ear? We can reduce the need for extracting crude oil with this tech.

ETA

The price for the device was $10 K. Much better the Professor built a car using it and drove it across America.
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posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker




Socialism doesn't have much traction yet as a true government style, there are two prominent politicians who tout that position, AOC and Bernie. Both are getting push back.


I disagree. Among democrats, support for socialism is high.




It's fair to say the left is embracing more social programs


Socialism and social programs are not the same thing.



That said, I say Mccarthyism because that is when we use buzz words to end debate and even circumvent the law. There is no denying the patriot act has done this in the realm of terrorism, and now it is spilling over back to Russia where the term originally took hold.

If Tulsi Gabbard becomes successful in her campaign, I expect she will get the same treatment as Trump as they have already called her a Russian favorite, and unintentionally receiving support from Russia.


I don't believe she brings anything to the table that isn't being done better by Trump right now.




We do nothing with most of the countries that are worse off than Venezuela, are we criminals now?


But we don't ignore it. And yes we have been criminally negligent before.




We should do something, but only in the scope of cooperation with the international community.


As evidenced above, we waited for the world to do something before. As a result we let 70% of the Tutsi population be slaughtered.




It's time the world steps up so we can share cost and blame.


They won't, and like clockwork it will again be the US who is at fault "for doing nothing" when the international community never had any intention of doing anything at all.



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn

We're not starving people to death by the millions because Socialism.


You are and you have a history of it.

Economic warfare, 21st century siege tactics against any nation that does not want to live by your rules or does not play poodle to your puppets.


originally posted by: ausername


Foreign aid delivered to the people circumventing that power structure is that threat.



How come Cuban/Russian/Chinese/Indian/Turkish aid (delivered last week) got through then? And why did Maduro not prevent this aid being distributed if he saw it as a threat to him/his country?
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posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 04:59 PM
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And why did the Red Cross and the UN refuse to participate in the aid caravan? They know why the US is doing it and specifically refused to be a part of it.



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: teapot
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It was CIA asset Guaido's people that crossed the border into Columbia to attack the so-called aid trucks.

Columbia, Guaido, Macron, the Afghani opium fields, (the list is endless) have something in common - and it has nothing to do with freedom, democracy or self-determination.


Wake up...the puppets are people like YOU... You are just regurgitating the lies from the dictatorship of Venezuela who owns and controls Telesur...

CIA my butt... Those who side with dictators like Maduro disgust me. You don't care for the facts. You don't care that VEnezuelans are dying because of the socialist dictatorship.

Not to mention the fact that your socialist comrad Obama was in charge of the U.S. for 8 years and Venezuela was as bad as it is now... But it is always far left-wingers like yourself who are the problem, because it is people like you who time and time again vote to implement socialism and this always destroys nations, and it's people.



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 07:16 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
And why did the Red Cross and the UN refuse to participate in the aid caravan? They know why the US is doing it and specifically refused to be a part of it.


Because Maduro himself has stated that Venezuelans don't need, nor want charity. The Red Cross stated that without the approval of the socialist dictatorship, which will NEVER approve receiving aid from "capitalists" out of spite and despite the fact that millions of Venezuelans are starving, that it would be very hard to get aid into Venezuela.

If it was up to the red cross they would only "work with the dictatorship by giving them money." This will only enrich the dictatorship and it won't help the people. The Red Cross is wrong in this. The money the Red Cross, and other agencies will give to the socialist dictatorship will only make the dictatorship stronger, meanwhile millions of Venezeulans will continue to starve...




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posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: teapot
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How come Cuban/Russian/Chinese/Indian/Turkish aid (delivered last week) got through then? And why did Maduro not prevent this aid being distributed if he saw it as a threat to him/his country?


BS... I was born in Cuba, lived in Cuba like a regular Cuban and not like tourists who eat up the lies from the dictatorship.

In Cuba it is very hard to get food, and regular Cubans lack also medications. Any "aid" that the Cuban dictatorship sends to Venezuela, is more food and more medicine that regular Cubans are lacking.

The Cuban government sent the best doctors to Venezuela, one of my uncles being one of them, meanwhile Cubans were left with medical students and nurses all whom lack the knowledge and proper equipment to treat Cubans.

You really have no idea of what you talk about. As a foreigner that you are, you swallow the lies that the Cuban dictatorship, and Venezuelan dictatorship tell you.

The Cuban regime, and now Venezuela, don't allow independent human right groups into Cuba, or Venezuela. These regimes will turn away independent media that will not work with the dictatorship to sell lies to people like you.


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posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse


But it is always far left-wingers like yourself who are the problem, because it is people like you who time and time again vote to implement socialism and this always destroys nations, and it's people.


Get a grip! Ranting and making assumptions about people isn't cool. Neither is believing all the propaganda being pushed by MSM and then ranting this as absolute truth to people that have dared challenge the bollocks you regurgitate.







 
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