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Chicago Dem Wants Socialism to Have ‘Control of Every Single Facet of Our Life’

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posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: tinner07
a reply to: neo96




That's a GD one party state, with no checks or balances, No GD electoral college.


I guess I did not read that part in that paragraph... can you show me were in that paragraph those things were said?

Do you think the Republicans should be the only party running this country?


Actually Neither party should have control because over the last 40 years both parties have proven time and time again that they are owned by one special interest group or the other.
Our founding fathers were concerned that this very thing would happen and lead to this very situation where people will vote party before country.




posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog




Well , why don't you vote for them ?
Oh , wait.....

You misunderstand the meaning of Democratic choice , it has nothing to do with your political parties it is a choice allowed by Democracy.

It's no surprise your country is in the mess it is if you can't differentiate between the two.



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: gortex

So basically, I am roasting a turkey for my dinner tomorrow and then I will be making stock off the carcass later in the week and we'll be making soup off the leftovers next weekend.

But since you favor democratic control of every facet of people's lives, even though what I am about to do to feed myself and my family for the next two weeks is extremely economical and makes good sense and is healthy and will waste nothing, if the people vote to overrule my choice (too expensive, meat is not ethical, or some such thing), I won't be able to make that choice for myself or my family in the future?

No thanks.

That is what he means and what his beliefs are.



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 08:38 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: neo96

More fear and division from a right wing press source , is fake news limited to MSM ?

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What an absolutely crap post

Deflection at it's finest.
The quote is available and is able to be corroborated by other sources. Stop being a fool and look into things before hitting the denial button. You and people like you are so uniformed, trained like performing animals and just trigger a 'denial' repsonse automatically. Wake up and stop being part of the problem. This guy actually said this in reponse to a simple question about he describes his views of Democratic Socialism.
But no, just deflection.

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posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 08:40 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Gothmog




Well , why don't you vote for them ?
Oh , wait.....

You misunderstand the meaning of Democratic choice , it has nothing to do with your political parties it is a choice allowed by Democracy.

It's no surprise your country is in the mess it is if you can't differentiate between the two.


No I understand what it means. I vote, but if I am in a minority on any vote. I lose and don't get what I would choose to do essentially losing my personal freedom to make that choice in favor of a majority rule always. It's only good for you if you think you will never, ever be in the minority on any choice and if you think the choice the majority makes will never actually harm you.



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: neo96


Anti-Constitutional, anti-freedom blather from the left.

Sad part is, look at all the people arguing FOR authoritarian/fascist rule.

Our freedoms definitely ours to give away, as apparent by those who endorse this type of dictatorship.



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy




Sad part is, look at all the people arguing FOR authoritarian/fascist rule.


And they can't even admit THAT is what they are lobbying for.

www.merriam-webster.com...



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: neo96


Sad part is, look at all the people arguing FOR authoritarian/fascist rule.

Our freedoms definitely ours to give away, as apparent by those who endorse this type of dictatorship.



It's not really endorsement, it's just blind ignorance and complete acceptance of anything they are told if it means their 'side' gets a win. It's truly pathetic and depressing that people could be so stupid.

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posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth


"Soft tyranny is an idea first coined by Alexis de Tocqueville in his 1835 work titled Democracy in America. In effect, soft tyranny occurs whenever the social conditions of a particular community hinder any prospect of hope among its members. For Tocqueville, hope is the driving force behind all democratic institutions."
-Wiki, Soft Tyranny.



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 08:53 AM
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What an absolutely crap post
Deflection at it's finest.

What an absolutely typical UKTruth post , full of bluster light on substance.



The quote is available and is able to be corroborated by other sources. But no, just deflection.

The quote is taken from an average guy who is running for election to the council and it's being spun that he's talking about the Democratic party and not Democratic Democracy as opposed to Democracy run by the rich and corporations.

Democratic socialism even extends to our relationships and how we treat each other. [It looks] at the world through a socialist-feminist lens, in how we treat people who are black, who are brown, who are femme, who are non-binary, who are gender-nonconforming, and who are working class.

To me, we’ll have achieved democratic socialism not when there is no conflict in the world, but when our societies are not governed based on power, but are governed based on the mutual understanding that everybody deserves a decent and quality life.


But lets not let facts get in the way of a Republican rant.

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posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

But ... but ... democracy is always good isn't it?



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 08:56 AM
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Anti-Constitutional, anti-freedom blather from the left. Sad part is, look at all the people arguing FOR authoritarian/fascist rule.


What in the paragraph posted in the OP is anti constitutional? or fascist?



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 09:02 AM
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and working people actually have control over who we elect to be our politicians, over how elections work, and over how our government is structured.


Who the F you want electing our politicians? Big business? You are a true republican I guess if you think there is something wrong with that.



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: tinner07

That's a rhetorical question, isn't it?


Socialism is anti-individual. It's anti-individual liberties, anti-individual freedoms. It's the opposite of individual responsibilities.



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: tinner07

Yeah I am a TRUE republican.

This GD country IS a Republic.

Minority rights should be protected including property.

There is something inherently wrong with continually trying to stack the deck, abolition of business representation.

Because without them. There wouldn't be a GD economy.

There is something inherently wrong with restructuring the state because there's not a GD thing wrong with the way it's currently set up.

There is something inherently wrong with 'SOCIAL' justice that bastardizes the entire legislative/judical systems we currently have.

That PROTECT the accused RIGHTS.

I don't even know why I even try.

Socialists have their GD heads push so far up their rears.

They never gonna see the light.
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posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: tinner07
a reply to: neo96




and working people actually have control over who we elect to be our politicians, over how elections work, and over how our government is structured.


Who the F you want electing our politicians? Big business? You are a true republican I guess if you think there is something wrong with that.


This isn't about electing our politicians though.

It's about voting on every aspect of our personal lives. That's quite a bit more intimate and intrusive than just electing a politician don't you think?

How would you feel if you wanted to decide to buy a car, but that aspect of your life had to be voted on by the collective? Can you buy that car? Which one are you allowed to buy? How many cars and how often are you allowed to purchase them? Do you really need a car in your present circumstances?

All of those are aspects a democratic socialist collective might have to vote on before you could entertain the notion of a car.



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 09:15 AM
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No I understand what it means. I vote, but if I am in a minority on any vote. I lose and don't get what I would choose to do essentially losing my personal freedom to make that choice in favor of a majority rule always.

The will of the many outweighs the will of the few , majority rule is the only way democracy can work.
Sadly majority rule doesn't always mean you get what you want though , something we in the UK are learning first hand.



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ketsuko




No I understand what it means. I vote, but if I am in a minority on any vote. I lose and don't get what I would choose to do essentially losing my personal freedom to make that choice in favor of a majority rule always.

The will of the many outweighs the will of the few , majority rule is the only way democracy can work.
Sadly majority rule doesn't always mean you get what you want though , something we in the UK are learning first hand.


Yes, and you know what? Our present system was explicitly designed to protect the minority so that it wasn't always overruled because sometimes that majority isn't the best.

For example, right now the majority diet in the states is fast food and most of us are fat as a result because we eat empty calories and too much of them. So let's say the democratic collective decides through vote that nothing else needs to be available to eat. What about those of us who do eat healthy and maintain a proper weight? Oh well? We should just succumb to the fat and like it?

How about the current rage to lift up minority groups over the majority? What happens if the majority comes together and votes in a backlash against that? What if gays get put back in the closet? What if the same happens to transgenders? And like it or not, but POC are not a majority here yet ... But, as you say, majority rules and minorities just have to learn to deal, right?

No, no possibility of injustice there at all.



posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: gortex

Yet more deflection.
You tried to dismiss this based on the source.
You were wrong and uninformed.

The statement from this Democrat Socialist is exactly as quoted in the OP and is based on the simple question of what his Deomcratic Socialist ideology actually means to him. He gave a clear answer as in the OP. The OP is about this persons response. The fact you think it is about 'your side' just emphasises my point. Try and actually check things out before the auto respoonse in the future?

We should ALL be able to come together to denounce this nonsense. You let one at time of these extremists into govt and before you know it we're all F*****.
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posted on Feb, 23 2019 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ketsuko




No I understand what it means. I vote, but if I am in a minority on any vote. I lose and don't get what I would choose to do essentially losing my personal freedom to make that choice in favor of a majority rule always.

The will of the many outweighs the will of the few , majority rule is the only way democracy can work.
Sadly majority rule doesn't always mean you get what you want though , something we in the UK are learning first hand.


WTF? Majority rule will never and has never worked. No civilised society adopts a majority rule approach.
There are many forms of democracy.
Seriously fella, educate yourself.
You sound ridiculous.



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