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Nuclear Aftermath - 11,000 dead and 90% disabled (moved from ATSNN)

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posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 08:19 PM
The San Francisco Bay View is reporting that the reason Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi stepped down earlier this month was the growing scandal surrounding the use of uranium munitions in the Iraq War. The use of depleted Uranium munitions has been widespread since the first gulf war and it's continued use is constroversial to say the least.
Arthur N. Bernklau, executive director of Veterans for Constitutional Law in New York, stated, “The real reason for Mr. Principi’s departure was really never given, however a special report published by eminent scientist Leuren Moret naming depleted uranium as the definitive cause of the ‘Gulf War Syndrome’ has fed a growing scandal about the continued use of uranium munitions by the US Military.”

“Out of the 580,400 soldiers who served in GW1 (the first Gulf War), of them, 11,000 are now dead! By the year 2000, there were 325,000 on Permanent Medical Disability. This astounding number of ‘Disabled Vets’ means that a decade later, 56% of those soldiers who served have some form of permanent medical problems!”

“Terry Jamison, Public Affairs Specialist, Office of the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, Department of Veterans Affairs, at the VA Central Office, recently reported that ‘Gulf Era Veterans’ now on medical disability, since 1991, number 518,739 Veterans,” said Berklau.

“The long-term effects have revealed that DU (uranium oxide) is a virtual death sentence,” stated Berklau. “Marion Fulk, a nuclear physical chemist, who retired from the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, and was also involved with the Manhattan Project, interprets the new and rapid malignancies in the soldiers (from the 2003 Iraq War) as ‘spectacular … and a matter of concern!’”

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

A article written by the author of the report (Leuren Moret) can be found here.

A few excerpts from that lenghty article:

This week the American Free Press dropped a “dirty bomb” on the Pentagon by reporting that eight out of 20 men who served in one unit in the 2003 U.S. military offensive in Iraq now have malignancies. That means that 40 percent of the soldiers in that unit have developed malignancies in just 16 months.

Since these soldiers were exposed to vaccines and depleted uranium (DU) only, this is strong evidence for researchers and scientists working on this issue, that DU is the definitive cause of Gulf War Syndrome. Vaccines are not known to cause cancer.

This powerful new evidence is blowing holes in the cover-up perpetrated by the Pentagon and three presidential administrations ever since DU was first used in 1991 in the Persian Gulf War. Fourteen years after the introduction of DU on the battlefield in 1991, the long-term effects have revealed that DU is a death sentence...

In a group of 251 soldiers from a study group in Mississippi who had all had normal babies before the Gulf War, 67 percent of their post-war babies were born with severe birth defects. They were born with missing legs, arms, organs or eyes or had immune system and blood diseases.

The effects of radioactive weapons have been known since the 40's. Quite simply, it attacks DNA.

"Depleted Uranium" is a misnomer since it is not "depleted" at all; it's only slightly less radioactive than freshly processed uranium.

This subject was brought up again and again since the Balkans campaign but has been denied again and again by the US government. Now we have over ten years of data showing long-term effects.

The result?

Your own soldiers are dying!!!


Not a hard leap of logic is it?

But hey some people think it makes a great weapon. That is, if they are nowhere near it I suppose.

When is something going to be done about this weapon of indiscriminate mass destruction?

How long can the deniers just keep denying any adverse effects?

Related Discussion Threads:
Destroying Iraq with DU
Americans Dieing From American Weapons
Depleted uranium
More On DU (Two Graphic Images Linked)

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posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 08:27 PM
So instead of dirty bombs we have dirty bullets. but than again I suppose no bullet is a nice bullet when it tears into you.

Scary stuff....


posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 08:36 PM
Hmm, that's why we don't have enough soldiers and my aunt is in Iraq fighting another illegal war. Cuz the U.S. kills their own soldiers...Great!

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 08:47 PM
Wait a minute, my husband is a GW1 vet, he served for over a year, so far he is fine beside age related complains, but I am going to tell him to go and get himself check all over, and by the way he does have a letter in his records that tells that he was in the Gulf.

I don't like this stuff.

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 10:02 PM
Well it seems that this submission is destined to die because I can't provide a "credible" source from the alphabet media.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the story is being covered up?!

Arthur N. Bernklau, executive director of Veterans for Constitutional Law in New York;

Terry Jamison, Public Affairs Specialist, Office of the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, Department of Veterans Affairs, at the VA Central Office;

Marion Fulk, a nuclear physical chemist, who retired from the Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, and was also involved with the Manhattan Project; and

Leuren Moret is a geoscientist who has worked around the world on radiation issues, educating citizens, the media, members of parliaments and Congress and other officials. She became a whistleblower in 1991 at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab after experiencing major science fraud on the Yucca Mountain Project. An environmental commissioner in the City of Berkeley, she can be reached at ...

I suppose these people can't be trusted either.

While I can doubt the numbers, I don't for a moment doubt that depleted uranium is nasty stuff.

If the "story" got out and made the mainstream new the US gov't would be legally liable... no reason for a cover-up there eh?


[edit on 2/28/2005 by Gools]

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 10:04 PM
Gools - repost this on a forum. It's good and you're right - the sources are good. Just not good enough for atsnn.


Bias and (Mis)Representation in the Media


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posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 10:11 PM
WAIT Gools - you used the wrong link for your main source article - you need to use the SF Bay link:

Did you try?

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 10:14 PM
You bit me to in sofi I found the same link to, good job.

We need to find more information about this gulf war syndrom.

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 10:29 PM
This submission is based on pure unsubstantiated tripe. There are certainly legitimate sources regarding legitimate health concerns for those who have to go to war. I should know. I've been there. But, to say that the US has waged nuclear war because it uses depleted uranium armor piercing shells is utter garbage.

[edit on 05/2/28 by GradyPhilpott]

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 10:39 PM
If I'm not mistaking, depleted Uranium is used in the Plalanx anti-aircraft system by the USN.

I worked in a plant near Johnson City, Tennesee where they made the made the projectiles for this system from large, round stocks of depleted U. Was around the stuff all the time and they kept close guards on how long you were exposed to the stuff. I can tell you one thing though, the stuff is HEAVY

It was low-level radiation, but still, there was a time limit on exposure.

This has been years ago so correct me if they do other things with the stuff.

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posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 10:49 PM
I live in the Bay Area and while the story may have merit, but the SFBAYVIEW is sort of a National Inq. that given away for free.

Some of thier headlines:

Street cleaners deserve respect and dignity!
by Tiny, Poor News Network

Tu wa moja = We are one

Many people associate war only with the physical act of violence. But that type of combat is usually among the last stages and is many times the least effective strategy of war.

The real battlefield is in the mind of the masses. And the most effective tools our enemies use are economics and education. If they can control what we know, then they can control what we think and how we react to things.

That’s how they knew what the people’s response would be to the 9/11 situation, that they’d be able to bank hundreds of billions off that #, kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people of color, people they couldn’t control. They’d be able to invade and take over countries vital in the race to control the world’s resources, on the blessing of the Amerikan population, because they controlled everything we knew prior to it.

So it was an unprovoked, cowardly attack, instead of bravery in the face of incredible odds or guerilla resistance. And if they can control a country’s resources (economics), then they will control who eats and who goes hungry, whose voice is heard and who gets buried in the dirt or in these prisons.

That’s why publications like the Bay View are so vital in this struggle. Taking control of our Black media, teaching truth and educating our own people in them streets and these prisons (graveyards).

In the Bay View, not only do we get a good dose of culture and ancestral pride, people’s politics and what’s going on in the trenches, brothers like myself get a voice, a chance to connect and organize with our communities, which is vital to the future of the struggle as these pigs incarcerate and kill us off by the millions in these graveyards.

Im sorry this is a rag and nothing more. Interesting for a discussion, but not a legit source IMHO

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 10:53 PM
Still the increasing amount of people that is sick after the first gulf war is not something we should take for granted, I will not for personal reasons.

Also while my husband was in the gulf war it was other things given to them, and my husband had to sign papers in which he will never disclosure what the government gave him during his time in the gulf war.

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 10:55 PM
I've read something about DU being perhaps the elusive cause of Gulf War Syndrome...

Of the 696,778 troops who served during the recognized conflict phase (1990-1991) of the Gulf War, at least 20,6861 have applied for VA medical benefits. As of May 2002, 159,238 veterans have been awarded service-connected disability by the Department of Veterans Affairs for health effects collectively known as the Gulf War Syndrome.

There have been many studies on Gulf War Syndrome over the years, as well as on possible long-term health hazards of DU munitions. Most have been inconclusive. But some researchers said the previous studies on DU, conducted by groups and agencies ranging from the World Health Organization to the Rand Corp. to the investigative arm of Congress, weren't looking in the right place -- at the effects of inhaled DU.

Dr. Asaf Durakovic, director of the private, non-profit Uranium Medical Research Centre in Canada and the United States, and center research associates Patricia Horan and Leonard Dietz, published a unique study in the August issue of Military Medicine medical journal.

The study is believed to be the first to look at inhaled DU among Gulf War veterans, using the ultrasensitive technique of thermal ionization mass spectrometry, which enabled them to easily distinguish between natural uranium and DU.

The study, which examined British, Canadian and U.S. veterans, all suffering typical Gulf War Syndrome ailments, found that, nine years after the war, 14 of 27 veterans studied had DU in their urine. DU also was found in the lung and bone of a deceased Gulf War veteran.

That no governmental study has been done on inhaled DU "amounts to a massive malpractice," Dietz said in an interview last week.

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 10:59 PM

originally posted by marg6043
...the increasing amount of people that is sick after the first gulf war is not something we should take for granted

No one's taking any illnesses or injuries suffered by the vets of GW1 for granted.

ATSNN, however, is trying to maintain a modicum of credibility in the online world. We cannot publish a story like this as fact without credible information to back it up .... and a free tabloid rag who got their information from some e-newsletter is not a credible source of information.

We are trying very hard not to be the online equivalent of the Weekly World News here.

Perhaps discussion and research in the forums will uncover something else to work with.

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posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 11:00 PM

This is a Depleted Uranium bullet.

It's the new wonder weapon the Pentagon calls a "silver bullet."

These things can blow through tanks, but it's impact causes tiny bits of radiated material to go into the air.

Jerry Wheat went off to war in the Gulf, He drove a Bradley armored personnel carrier for the Third armored Division. Then the war followed Jerry home to New Mexico.

"I have had real bad joint pain, abdominal problems," Wheat says. "I get real bad headaches. I went from 220 pounds down to 160 pounds for no reason, and that's when I started suspecting that it was something related to the Gulf."...."This is shrapnel out of my gear. And there was just a couple pieces that I took out of my body -- a couple small pieces… I kept it since I found out the vehicle was hit with a DU penetrator, I just kept it so I would have it. Just kind of proof," Wheat says.

Sounds pretty bad to me. He used to be a strong man, now he is pretty much having to stay at home or be in pain all the time.

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 11:05 PM
What did we do kill our troops with out weapons? What impact will this have on the Iraqi people? Did we do the right thing but use the wrong weapons? If this is true disabled veterans will not get taken care of properly. This goes for the past disabled and the new Gulf War 1 and 2 vets. I can only hope it is not true.

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 11:09 PM

We are trying very hard not to be the online equivalent of the Weekly World News here.

Perhaps discussion and research in the forums will uncover something else to work with.

I am glad that the thread was not just push aside and is allowed to be moved to war on terrorism.

Also because of personal reasons I will like to see this into some kind of research.

After all this years the government has been very vague about what is going on, and my husband had a couple of letters after he retired telling him about the results of some study done about 5 or 6 years ago in which they denied any post war syndrome.

But he still have that entry in his records about the possibility of illnesses related to the gulf war.

It makes no sense, I ask my husband if he is worry but he said he is not.

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 11:30 PM
I found this other link on another study that is been push on the administration and has to do with PB, and experimental pills given to soldiers during the gulf war.

Washington -- The National Gulf War Resource Center, an umbrella group representing sixty organizations, called upon the Department of Defense (DoD) to launch "immediate and aggressive" medical research studies into pyridostigmine bromide (PB) an experimental pill given to soldiers during Desert Storm in 1991.

Today the Department of Defense released a review of existing medical research on PB by the RAND Corporation. The bottom line conclusion of RAND was that PB could not be ruled out as one of the causes of Gulf War Illnesses - a collection of illnesses affecting more than 100,000 U.S. veterans of Desert Storm.

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 11:36 PM

You may be on to something here: pyridostigmine bromide (PB)

One of our Docs is ex-military who spent some time at Dietrick. The topic came up a while back and he became very very vague when that issue was raised. Beyond that there is not a ton of information on pyridostigmine bromide in many medical journals etc.

posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 11:40 PM
Thanks FredT, I am going to see what I can find on that PB thing perhaps Sofi can help me.

I have to know about the pills because it was more than one type of pills it was several, but I only found the link PB.

By the way my husband will not tell me anyway.

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