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The Stupid Politics of Abortion-Look At These Pictures/Videos

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posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: ker2010


You and I are obviously not talking about the same subject, you will never

find a post of mine agreeing to abortion later than the legal limit of 20 wks.

In fact I think 12 weeks is long enough at a push if there is a viable reason

16 weeks max.


Many a woman has given birth (for many reasons one being organ transplant)

to a full term baby knowing it is going to die. A full term baby has to be

delivered through the birth canal and is brought on by hormones.


There is not one woman I know that would carry a baby to full term and then

kill it. But some full term babies are born dead, the medics at the birth often

spend time trying to get them to breathe/live not kill.




posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: eletheia

Oh that's better I can agree with you a little more on those time frames.



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: okrian
a reply to: Lumenari

I think you actually know that you are sitting on the extreme-left of the conservatives on this issue. Your stance is anecdotal and not the norm for the right-wing. Either that or you are not actually listening to fellow conservatives. ATS is certainly full of those that consider abortion outright murder and believe that it should be banned the same way that killing a human that has been born is. I suggest reading their comments.


And yet only 20% of America thinks that abortion should be illegal under any circumstances.

Gallop Poll

So no, the majority of America doesn't want to BAN abortions.

I would posit that the far right is that category, the Pro-Infanticide group is far left.

Most of us out here in America see themselves as fiscal conservatives, social liberals.

So I guess if you want to lump yourself into the far right ideology, that's fine.

Doesn't get you the moderate vote though...




posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 11:59 AM
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The Republican mantra:

Pre-birth
"Ban abortions! All life is precious!"

Post birth
"You're on your own, lady! No way I'm paying for your kids food or healthcare! Not on my tax dollars!"

To be clear, I am for banning late term abortions unless the life of the mother is at stake. I for any law saying abortions must happen in the first trimester. These seem to be sensible restrictions. much like some gun restriction laws are sensible.
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posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: eletheia

American men can choose to do what they like with their bodies?

My missing foreskin says otherwise. So does mandatory registration with selective service.
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posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Tempter
When will murderous infanticide mothers give MEN the right to choose whether the baby lives or dies?




When the man carries the baby he can do what he likes with HIS body!!!




With this logic, should a man have to pay support unless he gets a decision? Sounds like another want the cake and eat it too scenario.



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: WalterTilley

With this logic, should a man have to pay support unless he gets a decision? Sounds like another want the cake and eat it too scenario.



Post abortion (and what this thread is about) ......What will he be paying support for?



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: eletheia

American men can choose to do what they like with their bodies?
My missing foreskin says otherwise. So does mandatory registration with selective service.



You'll need to ask your parents
I dare say it was a joint decision



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

You make the assumption that there is an exceptional number of those on the right in this country. And I never said that this was a majority of Americans. But a majority of the right, yes. Only 26% of the country voted for Trump... I know you don't think those were leftists. The loud minority had their day in a time when the left was seriously disenfranchised by the candidate offered to them.

But I'm glad you have such a lofty view of conservatives after the country has had to deal with social ultra-conservatives for decades. in your mind, what made the masses of them just switch out of nowhere?

(I don't believe they did and they evidence does not point to a conservative base of social liberals).



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: okrian
a reply to: Lumenari

You make the assumption that there is an exceptional number of those on the right in this country. And I never said that this was a majority of Americans. But a majority of the right, yes. Only 26% of the country voted for Trump... I know you don't think those were leftists. The loud minority had their day in a time when the left was seriously disenfranchised by the candidate offered to them.

But I'm glad you have such a lofty view of conservatives after the country has had to deal with social ultra-conservatives for decades. in your mind, what made the masses of them just switch out of nowhere?

(I don't believe they did and they evidence does not point to a conservative base of social liberals).


I think you are missing the point entirely.

Trump was put into office by the middle of American politics... the moderates.

That I even characterize myself as conservative right now is because we have a fiscally conservative, social liberal President presently.

I don't consider the majority of Republicans to be conservative for instance... simply because they are not.

To me the evangelical Christian right is just as bad as the New Green Deal left... cultists that don't represent the majority of America.

The only difference to me is that the right is a whole lot less authoritarian than the socialist left is.

Hope that helped.




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posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 01:05 PM
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“I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”

― Ronald Reagan



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Tempter

When will Republican majority in the Senate change the rules so a simple majority can pass an Amendment banning all abortions?


First off, an Amendment would require a whole lot more than a Senate vote... I wish some of you slower people at least had a civics class or two before deciding they should post something they know nothing about.

Secondly, despite your programming to the contrary, not a lot of people want to BAN abortions.

Certainly no Conservative I know.

What we do want is for a legal limit on the timing of it for the purpose of using abortion as an alternative to contraceptives.

Not partial birth abortions, for instance.

Want to hear about that particular procedure?


Partial-Birth Abortion is a procedure in which the abortionist pulls a living baby feet-first out of the womb and into the birth canal (vagina), except for the head, which the abortionist purposely keeps lodged just inside the cervix (the opening to the womb). The abortionist punctures the base of the baby’s skull with a surgical instrument, such as a long surgical scissors or a pointed hollow metal tube called a trochar. He then inserts a catheter (tube) into the wound, and removes the baby's brain with a powerful suction machine. This causes the skull to collapse, after which the abortionist completes the delivery of the now-dead baby.


You're cheerleading for that, I assume?

Now the Democratic party is all in for actual infanticide as well.

I'm pro-choice and have had two abortions in my life.

So stop listening to your owners about what the right wants.

You have no damn clue... but are fine with Pro-Murder, it seems.



Ah yes a procedure that's been used a total of 2,232 out of 1,313,000 abortions performed in america(0.17% of all abortions), was banned in 2003 and used only under these specific conditions.


Patients who are experiencing a miscarriageor who have fetuses diagnosed with severe congenital anomalies may prefer an intact procedure to allow for viewing of the remains, grieving, and achieving closure.[4][5] In cases where an autopsy is requested, an intact procedure allows for a more complete examination of the remains. An intact D&E is also used in abortions to minimize instruments introduced into the uterus, therefore reducing the risk of trauma. It also reduces the risk of cervical lacerations that may be caused by the removal of bony parts from the uterus, or retention of any fetal parts in the uterus.[4]


But ya, doctors are just waiting to get started on doing that...yup.

Having known people who've actually had abortions, it's not a decision any of them have taken lightly and it's something they've lived with and think about regularly. SNIP
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edit on 2/20/2019 by Blaine91555 because: Snipped insulting comment directed at other members.



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 04:51 PM
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Attention Please-

Personal insults directed at other members are not allowed anywhere on ATS.

Do not reply to this post.



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: WeRpeons

That's fine. Then no government assistance for unviable cells, and no extra punishment for the death of unviable cells caused by another person. One doesnt simpy attribute value to inevitable life based on their own feelings. Pick your poison and force every other woman to accept the consequences of your decision.




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