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Trump administration announces it will cancel high speed rail project funding in California.

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posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 06:06 AM
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Instead of high speed rails.

The peoples republic of commiestan should have used it to feed the homeless,clean their snip off their streets, and get rid of needles.




posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
What's wrong with high speed rail? Most developed nations around the world utilize it very efficiently ...


Does it cost them 100 Billion for a relatively small run of rail?



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: strongfp

Nothing is 'wrong' with it unless you misappropriate funds and never get it done.



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 09:38 AM
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Didn't the governor just cancel this project the other day, for exactly these reasons? So, what's he bitching about with Trump cancelling the funding?



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 09:42 AM
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Surely California can pay for it themselves? They're always going on about how rich they are because of all the millionaires, billionaires and megacorporations that are there who definitely pay their taxes...



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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Instead of ridiculous hi speed rail projects CA should have built into their strengths. Mainly the existing road system.

They could have financed this instead and had 80 mpg 3 wheelers all over the place.

Elio Motors.

And these too.
Solo Electric car.

Or even these.
SDREAM


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posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
What's wrong with high speed rail? Most developed nations around the world utilize it very efficiently ...


America is the 4th largest nation in size...

And the 191st in population density, at 33 people per km^2 / 87 people per mi^2.

While Canada has even more extreme numbers, 87% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border...

So, again with the American exceptionalism. The USA has THE most efficient rail system on the planet, transporting containers from Long Beach, California, to the Port of New York in less than 96 hours, on average. Which is why the US is pivotal for China's trade with Europe; freight from Hong Kong or Shanghai can get to London or Rotterdam more than a week faster if it goes overland through the US. (much of the trip between El Paso TX and Kansas City, MO is made at 90 mph!)

Which is to say, the US rail system is tailored for goods to ship international. It would be super if you wanted to travel from Long Beach to New York, but moving people would displace Container Units that enrich the rail carriers, and a huge chunk of American motor manufacturing. GM makes more money from making locomotive engines than from cars these days.



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: ntech
Instead of ridiculous hi speed rail projects CA should have built into their strengths. Mainly the existing road system.

They could have financed this instead and had 80 mpg 3 wheelers all over the place.

Elio Motors.

And these too.
Solo Electric car.

Or even these.
SDREAM


I hate to break it to you, but Elio is basically vaporware. That guy has been promising to produce those things for years, but has never managed to start production. Some of us in the auto industry privately think it's just a scam, and at some point that guy is just going to disappear.

Even if he's legit, he's basically trying to copy Polaris' 3-wheeled motorcycle/car thing, and that fad has already peaked.



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: matafuchs

'Cause America was great when they had horses and carts.




posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

True. But I think the original idea was to get a grant from a federal program that never got funded. However if CA had provided the funding instead who knows. And after Elio goes bankrupt maybe a existing car or motorcycle company might buy up the plans and give it a go.

And just as a thought GM actually had this as a concept car in 1982. It looks like it could have been fun as a commuter to work car.

Lean Machine.

With a total body weight of 159kg this gave the vehicle outstanding performance and the Lean Machine was able to reach 60 mph in just 6.8 seconds with a fuel economy of over 200 mpg.
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posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
What's wrong with high speed rail? Most developed nations around the world utilize it very efficiently ...


I think it is a distance thing. Most developed nations are actually quite small compared to the US.

Getting the right rail tracks for a 500 mile section of track boggles the mind when you are talking 200 mph plus. The terrain varies greatly. It seems a very tricky and expensive problem to me.




posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: Graysen

Cargo and passenger lines are generally different tho. A high speed rail system to get around California seems like a good idea, but if it's funding is just being drained elsewhere then I guess it's not plausible.



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: Jonjonj

originally posted by: strongfp
What's wrong with high speed rail? Most developed nations around the world utilize it very efficiently ...


I think it is a distance thing. Most developed nations are actually quite small compared to the US.

Getting the right rail tracks for a 500 mile section of track boggles the mind when you are talking 200 mph plus. The terrain varies greatly. It seems a very tricky and expensive problem to me.


High-speed rail is good if you have a limited number of "corridors" that people travel on. The LA-SF run is busy enough to warrant a high-speed rail line. NYC-DC would be as well. But outside this handful of routes, it becomes impractical quickly.

Basically, it works best if you have a highly urbanized population, where most people live in a few large cities.



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Graysen

Cargo and passenger lines are generally different tho. A high speed rail system to get around California seems like a good idea, but if it's funding is just being drained elsewhere then I guess it's not plausible.


Yeah. very different beasts.

One of the things that has kept US freight rail going strong is their early adoption of containers-- they admitted that you need 18-wheelers to get the last few miles of the journey to the customer. On the other hand, light rail, even rapid rail, delivers the passenger hundreds of miles away... with no vehicle when she/he arrives.

European cities have the big money in the "old city" of the core, while poor people and manufacturing is situated around the city's rim. In the US, it is reversed. The urban core is a ghetto amid miles of factories and warehouses. So delivering passengers rapidly to the industrial section of a US city is hardly ideal.

The best success with light rail/human passengers is cities like Atlanta and Denver, where the airport is remote from town, and the people mover system feeds into airport traffic.



posted on Feb, 20 2019 @ 02:37 PM
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Please please use that $1bn for the wall...



posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 12:12 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Graysen
The best success with light rail/human passengers is cities like Atlanta and Denver, where the airport is remote from town, and the people mover system feeds into airport traffic.


As a resident of Metro Atlanta, about 30 minutes away from downtown.
Atlanta IS NOT a good example at all, for a succesful public transportation system. Marta is considered a joke by everyone around here...
Hell, your better off catching a Uber or Lyft then getting anywhere in a timely manner going through the Marta busses, or the underground Marta train...
It takes most people 2 hours just to get in the city every morning, largely because driving is your only alternative for the most part until your actually deep in the city down I-85.

It's actually one of the biggest unsolved questions in Atlanta, is what we're to do about our transportation infrastructure problems, well that mixed with a lot of contractor&city council members who are "buddies" and end up screwing the taxpayers by over paying ridiculous amounts for copious amounts of work at best, playing favorites for their friends on the contracts. Some people of the last mayor's admin were just sentenced a few months ago because of this favoritism charade costing so many millions..
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posted on Feb, 24 2019 @ 12:24 AM
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originally posted by: JHumm
If CA is against the wall then offer to remove the one that they have and move it elsewhere on the border....I bet they wouldn't like that idea .
Or maybe the walls around all their gates communities could come down so no one will be offended.


That's an excellent idea! Since California is doubling down on remaining a "sanctuary state", move their wall to another section of the border. Let them be the shining beacon to attract all Central American families, crooks, and disease carriers, who want to live in the USA illegally.



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