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Hellinois minimum wage goes to 15 dollars an hour

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posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: DAVID64

Thats funny in Australia the McDonald's pays everyone 15 usd (20australian) an hour and not only are they in business making a profit they actually run better and serve better food than any McDonald's in america. Raising minumum wage isnt the problem.

Kfc and subway here do just as well paying a decent wage too. Amazon gripes about doing business in Australia, but thats because they cant butt pound their employees there. maybe Australia cares more about human beings than greed. american companies not being able to survive by paying fair wages is a symptom of a much much bigger and darker problem it has that im nearly positive 99 percent of americans arent even aware of. that includes ats members.




posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa

So just screw the small towns and businesses, as long as Chicago gets what they want.
This a farming community of less than 3000. $15 an hour will kill most of the local businesses and what will folks do then?



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: KawRider9
a reply to: olaru12

So you want me to scam the system and the tax payers so my business excells?

The "Government" doesn't provide funds to ANYONE, the tax payers do...

I'm not a fan of screwing people over for my personal gain. Any business that requires a bail out or tax payer(government) funds is a failure!



Holier than thou...eh?

If that's the way you want to look at it, fine. Bailout my ass... I see it as a way to reclaim a fraction of the taxes I have paid into the system for the 40 years I have been in business. It's also providing a service to the community training low skilled workers so they can provide a better life style for their families.

Do you think large corporations don't take every tax advantage and govt. program available.

If you don't want to take advantage of the govt. programs available to small businesses, it's your prerogative to run your business the way you see fit. But I'm not screwing people over for my personal gain. In fact I provide a profit sharing plan for my employees and it pays in loyalty and hard work. My people make well over 15 bucks an hour and can have a skill that will allow them to move anywhere in the world and make a very good living.

If you want to reject the system in place for small business, like the SBA or GSA...don't pay your taxes.
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posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: blueman12

I am not sure what you mean. My examples are of starter jobs I had as a kid. I knew that cleaning the grease traps was likely not the career path I wanted, so I continued to learn and work up. It's how this all works. We don't start out the CEO, we may have to clean a few toilets first.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 04:43 PM
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My pay went up due to this in PA and I'm nowhere NEAR minimum



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: KawRider9




I own a small corporation and there are some menial jobs that just don't warrant 15 dollars an hour.


Could your business function without them?

If not than I say they deserve a living wage for helping make your business a reality.

If not then just fire them and you wont have to pay them. Problem solved.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 04:47 PM
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a reply to: neo96

But trump gave everyone a tax cut though.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 04:51 PM
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Few pages of popular talking points

Ok. So for anyone wanting to really understand this issue you need to looking into the federal reserve and currency inflation

If you want the most relatable model of similar failure in history look no further than Rome

www.visualcapitalist.com...

So if you wanna actually discuss something and.not just parrot your favorite parties talking pointing read that article about Rome and inflation



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 05:03 PM
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Same as Seattle, but that is not state wide, and Seattle is not a sh@thole...

Some problems is non-profits have all left, lower hours at first actually caused less pay per month, prices went up as example McD has to pay $16 per hour so a McD hamburger is 4 bucks normally and there it is 8 bucks. Smaller businesses have moved, closed or run less workers, so less jobs over all and we are seeing things like kiosk.

The jury is still out with me though on all this...



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 05:04 PM
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Improve operations to accommodate the wage raise, or go out of business. Enjoy capitalism with conditions.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: narrator




What's your solution then? Just have everyone who doesn't/can't make a living wage move away from expensive areas?


Why on earth is it always EVERYONE else's job to help people lead a normal life. At what point do we say, ok time for you to take some initiative???

Like the OP's dishwasher friend. If push came to shove, he would have to decide on food or maybe take that line cook job.

This isn't a one problem type of problem either. There are a couple of things going on. Yes the pay is one, secondly Illinois has super high taxes, fees, costs. Why do you think that is, to help all those people who according to you need help. See how it really isn't "helping" them.


That's my entire point. It almost all cases, it should be on the person to help themselves. But at $8.25 an hour, they can't really do that.

What about someone who's mentally handicapped in some way? Able to function "normally" in society, but realistically is never going to be able to be an engineer, or welder, or plumber, or sales manager. But, they're fully capable of taking an order at a fast food joint.

How should we handle that person? They are literally incapable of holding a job that would pay a living wage in Chicago, what should they do? We clearly (according to ATS) aren't allowed to raise the minimum wage to a level that makes the example I gave above able to provide for themselves/live somewhat comfortably/have an apartment/etc, and we also can't give people government handouts or we're immediately and entirely socialist, careening towards communism.

What about the countless individuals who aren't lazy, but for some reason or another literally can't do the things necessary to survive in places like Chicago?

It isn't always black and white. "Just get a better job." Sometimes, people literally CAN'T get a better job than the one they already have, and you're basically saying "well screw them then, they're lazy". What if there literally isn't a better job available than the one they currently have? As an example, where I live, the classifieds only list cook/waiter/dishwasher/snow removal jobs, and they almost all pay minimum wage. So anyone that currently holds one of those jobs, in order to better their living situation, will either have to:
A. take a second full time job
or
B. move out of the city

There are so many circumstances that folks such as yourselves (meaning those in the no additional taxes as well as no pay raises camp) just seem to avoid.

What should folks like that do?

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posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: Archivalist
Improve operations to accommodate the wage raise, or go out of business. Enjoy capitalism with conditions.


Oh capitalism only works in 1 direction remember?



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 05:16 PM
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Buy an automated car wash.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 05:28 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: DAVID64

Thats funny in Australia the McDonald's pays everyone 15 usd (20australian) an hour and not only are they in business making a profit they actually run better and serve better food than any McDonald's in america. Raising minumum wage isnt the problem.

Kfc and subway here do just as well paying a decent wage too. Amazon gripes about doing business in Australia, but thats because they cant butt pound their employees there. maybe Australia cares more about human beings than greed. american companies not being able to survive by paying fair wages is a symptom of a much much bigger and darker problem it has that im nearly positive 99 percent of americans arent even aware of. that includes ats members.


Isn't it amazing that people here are fearful of making more money?

The corporate machine has spent a lit of time and money pounding fear tactics and greed policies into everyone's head. Now it is just normal to complain about the poor guy and blame him for everything.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: narrator




What about someone who's mentally handicapped in some way?

Mental retardation is a disability. That has absolutely nothing to do with this OP. If they are truly disabled they can get benefits and help.



where I live, the classifieds only list cook/waiter/dishwasher/snow removal jobs


We aren't talking about where you live, we are talking about Chicago. I lived there most of my life.
Maybe people where you live need to move.



A. take a second full time job or B. move out of the city


You only think people have two options to better themselves. How sad is that? There are so many options.
A and B are of course good ones. How about get a different job. How about get a job and go to school part time.
How about get a job and do volunteer work to learn a new skill. How about get your foot in the door of a company doing one thing to work up to another. How about learn a craft, gig, sell on the side. Basically what i'm saying, where there is a will there's a way. If a person doesn't have the will, I really don't know, maybe they are going to lead a very sorry life. Sometimes hardships can bring out the best in a person though, but I guess they will never know if we always rescue people.

I just did a quick search on indeed for Chicago. Tons of entry level (47K jobs) many paying more than the $15 we are talking about. Where I live, there are TONS of job openings. Many pay around 18-20 bucks an hour. They never have enough people. You know why? The work is very hard. It is manual labor. If a personal doesn't have the mental capacity to push through, maybe manual labor is the route they need to go to secure a living. If they don't want to do those things, then maybe they are LAZY!



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 06:09 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: narrator




What about someone who's mentally handicapped in some way?

Mental retardation is a disability. That has absolutely nothing to do with this OP. If they are truly disabled they can get benefits and help.



where I live, the classifieds only list cook/waiter/dishwasher/snow removal jobs


We aren't talking about where you live, we are talking about Chicago. I lived there most of my life.
Maybe people where you live need to move.



A. take a second full time job or B. move out of the city


You only think people have two options to better themselves. How sad is that? There are so many options.
A and B are of course good ones. How about get a different job. How about get a job and go to school part time.
How about get a job and do volunteer work to learn a new skill. How about get your foot in the door of a company doing one thing to work up to another. How about learn a craft, gig, sell on the side. Basically what i'm saying, where there is a will there's a way. If a person doesn't have the will, I really don't know, maybe they are going to lead a very sorry life. Sometimes hardships can bring out the best in a person though, but I guess they will never know if we always rescue people.

I just did a quick search on indeed for Chicago. Tons of entry level (47K jobs) many paying more than the $15 we are talking about. Where I live, there are TONS of job openings. Many pay around 18-20 bucks an hour. They never have enough people. You know why? The work is very hard. It is manual labor. If a personal doesn't have the mental capacity to push through, maybe manual labor is the route they need to go to secure a living. If they don't want to do those things, then maybe they are LAZY!



They don't get enough to comfortably live in a place like Chicago, that's for sure.

In your last paragraph, I fully agree. If someone is completely capable of doing the work, and they need the work, but choose to not do it, then that's laziness.

Here's something that never comes up in these discussions though: What if the company doesn't hire them? No job is a guarantee. Maybe the company didn't like them personally, or maybe the individual would do great at the job but they're a terrible interviewee and the hiring manager passes judgement on how they speak instead of whether or not they'd be a good roofer. It isn't always the person's fault and to say it is, is disingenuous.

"Maybe people where you live need to move." That's the biggest issue I have with this. People that are already poor, and are living paycheck to paycheck at jobs that pay crap, CAN'T move. It costs thousands of dollars to move. If someone is barely scraping by as it is, how are they going to move? Furthermore, the fact that you think the solution is for people to move away from their family and friends just to find a place to live is ridiculous to me. Why not just pay them more, so they can live where they are? That would then stimulate the local economy (because they can actually buy stuff), make the person happier and healthier, make their family healthier, there really is no downside to this.

Granted, my town is very small and jobs are few and far between. But, I used to live in Denver. I was a teacher for years, and I have a background in driving truck as well. The school I was teaching at merged with another school, and the teachers who taught my subject in the other school had seniority, so they kept the jobs and I was out.

Teacher (and football/basketball/track coach) and truck driver. I literally don't know how many applications I sent to various schools and companies. At least 75. I was interviewed at 10 places. Second interview at 2. No job offers. Buddy of mine was working at an IT security company and got me an entry level job there. Not long after I moved and got a job in the IT department at a school.

Out of 75 applications, only 10 gave me an interview, 2 gave me a second interview, and none hired me. And I was highly qualified in 2 separate job fields with a valid teaching license in science and math, as well as a CDL. Imagine how tough it'd be for someone that isn't skilled to get a job in a place like Chicago, where the market is already saturated?

It isn't always as simple as "get a better job". Sometimes that's just not possible.

What is the solution when "get a better job" doesn't work?



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: KawRider9

I own a small corporation and there are some menial jobs that just don't warrant 15 dollars an hour.


So, let me get this right... your pissed cause you think you should have the right to make a profit by paying people slave labour 3rd world wages?

I personally think if you own a business that can't afford to pay a livable wage to employees, then you had an inferior business model in the first place.





Lol? So us business owners who operate on tight margins already should just go ahead and give up the rest of our profits to lazy people who aren't very productive?

This is why automation will replace most menial jobs. There is no difference in paying somebody 8$ and hour or paying them 25$ an hour, they won't be more productive, and they will just find creative ways to ride the clock.

ETA: Don't forget the fact we have to raise our prices on the customers to compensate the losses.
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posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 06:23 PM
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"Maybe people where you live need to move." That's the biggest issue I have with this.


I admit, that it is not always easy to move. I can guarantee that people that are willing to move will do much better in their careers. It's called sacrifice, sometimes you have to do it. If you don't then you have to accept that you might be stuck with a low wage job in a town with little opportunity.


What if the company doesn't hire them?


I think this might be an issue in some places, Chicago, Milwaukee, Northern burbs of Chicago it is not an issue.
Like I said 47K entry level job openings. Some of these places will hire you if you have a pulse and show up.

I'll give you a perfect example, my son fresh out of school got hired on the spot making $18hr with zero experience.
My daughter while in school got hired at a local grocery store. You know what she told them in the interview, that she didn't want to work with people. They still hired her!

I had a huge lapse in employment, I was hired on the spot. We have three different levels of experience yet we were all hired almost immediately. The jobs are there.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: narrator




"Maybe people where you live need to move." That's the biggest issue I have with this.


I admit, that it is not always easy to move. I can guarantee that people that are willing to move will do much better in their careers. It's called sacrifice, sometimes you have to do it. If you don't then you have to accept that you might be stuck with a low wage job in a town with little opportunity.


What if the company doesn't hire them?


I think this might be an issue in some places, Chicago, Milwaukee, Northern burbs of Chicago it is not an issue.
Like I said 47K entry level job openings. Some of these places will hire you if you have a pulse and show up.

I'll give you a perfect example, my son fresh out of school got hired on the spot making $18hr with zero experience.
My daughter while in school got hired at a local grocery store. You know what she told them in the interview, that she didn't want to work with people. They still hired her!

I had a huge lapse in employment, I was hired on the spot. We have three different levels of experience yet we were all hired almost immediately. The jobs are there.



That's awesome, I'm glad for your family. I've never lived in a place like that, makes me wish the entire country was like that.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 06:39 PM
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100% yes...



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