Hellinois minimum wage goes to 15 dollars an hour

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: KawRider9
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

My lowest paid employee make 10 dollars an hour, so not exactly slave wages. As to your profit point, YES!!! If I don't make a profit, no-one gets paid...

Then you should not be in business because you're either doing it wrong or don't understand WTF you're doing. Traditionally, only the owner tangos with getting paid via profits alone if they choose and does not bank the employee checks on it.
Pay is part of overhead costs paid for by revenue before profit comes into the equation, NOT paid out of profit after meeting overhead. Making a profit means you made more than just breaking even hitting the operational costs like mats and paychecks.
If you can't pay people without making a profit first, you're already operating at a loss. That means you don't hit enough revenue to cover your overhead.

Yeah...this is how my boss does it, seems to be doing pretty well for himself. He also doesn't hire workers at minimum wage because he understands you get what you pay for. You want quality work, you need to pay the people working for you well. Otherwise they'll won't give a # or they'll go find something better. Funny enough, I don't think a single person has just quit, since i've been working at this place, because they were unhappy about things at work.

I've worked at places run by people that think like the op. I've.never stayed long. There's something to be said about working for someone that appreciates the people that make them money. Especially because i'm always well aware how much an hour of my time earns for them vs how much i'm paid. Sometimes, for the overhead required(like my current job), it doesn't feel too bad, but when you're working for a cheap asshole with low overhead it starts to get real #ty real quickly.

originally posted by: SouthernForkway26
I live downstate Illinois and this is really going to muck it up here. In my town $15 an hour is a good job and a livable income. You can get a 2br/1bath house for 50K here so cost of living is pretty cheap. In Chicago $15 an hour might be more reasonable because of the cost of living. Real estate in Chicago is easily 5x more than it is downstate.

I wish cost of living in Canada was anywhere near that! A "good" wage is anywhere from $20/hr-$25/hr, but a 2bdr/1bath house that isnt a complete piece of sh*t costs $250k-$350k.. plus insane property taxes which average $1700-$3500/year to live in some sh*t hole with -40 degrees Celsius weather that happens for almost an entire 2 months of the year, along with terrible road quality and infrastructure that makes little to no sense. And the taxes.. don't even get me started. Canada is horrible and the liberal government is 99% to blame.

a reply to: SouthernForkway26

Then the state just ends up taxing more for food stamps and welfare for people on part-time 8.25 an hour.

Most minimum wage jobs are part time and if you're full time, you're probably not a kid and have Bill's to pay. Meaning full time at 8.25 an hour is barely enough to survive....

a reply to: shooterbrody

LMAO! He worked all the way up from a starting position job to.......

And yeah, how many opportunities did he have to step up to a cook? 25 years of being the lowest man on the totem pole needs to be rewarded???

Sorry Johnny(not you) not everyone gets a trophy...

a reply to: network dude

So better to just require adults to live off gov. Welfare who don't have skilled jobs?

originally posted by: Oaktree
I live right on the WI border of WI/IL and I never cross the border to shop.
Weekends are full of IL plates shopping here.
That 12 per cent sales tax doesn’t help IL, either.

I'm a bit farther north but used to visit IL more for shopping, visiting friends/family.
It just got crazy expensive. We stayed in the city and one hotel was charging 80 a night to park.
Yes that is to park, not the hotel cost!!!

originally posted by: KawRider9
This will cripple small businesses. I own a small corporation and there are some menial jobs that just don't warrant 15 dollars an hour. I know everyone(most) want a living wage for their time spent at work, however, time spent at work doesn't equal working. There are far to many lazy employees that do the very minimal they can get away with.

You do understand that this is a management and staffing issue and has nothing to do with the minimum wage?

originally posted by: KawRider9
a reply to: shooterbrody

LMAO! He worked all the way up from a starting position job to.......

And yeah, how many opportunities did he have to step up to a cook? 25 years of being the lowest man on the totem pole needs to be rewarded???

Sorry Johnny(not you) not everyone gets a trophy...

years of hard work and nothing to show for it.
how can you be so insensitive?
the man has dishpan hands!
imagine for a second not being able to make a dinner salad, or french fries......the humanity

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: network dude

So better to just require adults to live off gov. Welfare who don't have skilled jobs?

I think this is an important point. Either we pay people enough to live on their own, or the government (our taxes) are going to pay for them to live.

Which would you (the general you, not you specifically blueman) prefer?

Bottom line, in an ideal world, everyone has a great job that pays them enough to live. In the real world, that isn't the case at all. A lot of people can't get a well-paying job, and that isn't always their fault. Maybe a head injury prevents them from being around loud noises (which takes out most trades) or staring at a computer screen all day causes migraines (takes out most clerical and IT work), or any number of various other things.

So, they grab a job they can physically and/or mentally handle. Let's say, cashier at Mickey D's. The Illinois minimum wage is currently $8.25, if memory serves. Is $8.25 an hour enough to live in Chicago? In Aurora? Springfield? Rockford?

No? But you don't want the minimum wage to go up at all, so these folks can pay their own way, correct?

By that logic, you're then saying that you're ok with our taxes being raised so these folks can afford to live.

Yet, most of you are against that too.

What's your solution then? Just have everyone who doesn't/can't make a living wage move away from expensive areas? That'll put undue pressure on areas where the cost of living is affordable, driving up prices there, until everyone is priced out of that area as well.

What's the solution? It's pretty much one of these 3: Raise minimum wage, raise taxes so people can live, or just let people start dying of starvation/exposure/etc.

If there's another solution, we'd be happy to hear it.

And no, "get a better job" isn't a solution. Sometimes that just isn't possible. There aren't enough "better" jobs for everyone in the nation that needs a job.

a reply to: Duderino

Management and staffing issues? You think my painter is going mow the yard, sweep floors, detail vehicles?

We have what are called porters, they move cars around the lot, wash vehicles before and after repairs, sweep, take out trash, etc. It's not a job that makes me money, but it's still an important role. That's why I pay them more than minimum wage, while also offering them an opportunity to move up.

So many folks refuse to learn the trade and move on to other meineal jobs. Status quo and whining is easier than learning a trade and prospering.

Management and staffing issues my hairy white palms!!!

a reply to: shooterbrody

I was a dishwasher back in the day, sometimes your feet get wet too!

25 years of dishpan hands and wet stinky feet? Dude should be a 1%er!!!

originally posted by: KawRider9
a reply to: Duderino

Management and staffing issues? You think my painter is going mow the yard, sweep floors, detail vehicles?

We have what are called porters, they move cars around the lot, wash vehicles before and after repairs, sweep, take out trash, etc. It's not a job that makes me money, but it's still an important role. That's why I pay them more than minimum wage, while also offering them an opportunity to move up.

So many folks refuse to learn the trade and move on to other meineal jobs. Status quo and whining is easier than learning a trade and prospering.

Management and staffing issues my hairy white palms!!!

Slow down, you're mixing up topics now. You said nothing about painters and mowers, you said workers were lazy and wasting time and don' deserve that money.

That is a management and/or a staffing issue and has nothing to do with minimum wage. It is the manager's job to find work for them and keep an eye on them; if a manager has no time to manage the people that he or she is supposed to, then it's a higher up issue, but still a staffing issue.

However you look at it, operations or staff not running efficiently or optimally is a management or ownership issue, not a wage issue.

And by the way, you know what gives you hairy palms?

That's right, you should knock it off before blindness kicks in.

a reply to: KawRider9

Oh my first job was as a dishwasher at a sea food restaurant.
One summer made me decide to acquire a skilled trade.
I can not imagine doing that for 25 years.

a reply to: KawRider9

We have what are called porters, they move cars around the lot, wash vehicles before and after repairs, sweep, take out trash, etc. It's not a job that makes me money, but it's still an important role. That's why I pay them more than minimum wage, while also offering them an opportunity to move up.

Your state dept. of labor should have all kinds of programs to help you train you lower skilled workers, either thru grants or a direct slush fund.

There are also plenty of US govt. grants available for businesses that train unskilled workers to be more productive taxpayers. Especially if you hire minorities or women... It's worth the %age to pay a professional grant writer to apply for you. It's a great way to get a large portion of your tax dollars back.

And if you really want to cash in, become a govt. vendor/contractor and bid on gigs. Contact the GSA for the paper work, or do it online.

If you don't play the system; who's fault is that?

a reply to: Duderino

My bad, I should have clarified my point better. I meant lazy workers in other feilds(for the most part).

I mentioned my porters and my dishwasher friend because they are given the opportunity to move up but refuse to do so. Their laziness is their own downfall.

a reply to: olaru12

So you want me to scam the system and the tax payers so my business excells?

The "Government" doesn't provide funds to ANYONE, the tax payers do...

I'm not a fan of screwing people over for my personal gain. Any business that requires a bail out or tax payer(government) funds is a failure!

I love in a small town in Central Illinois and this is seriously bad news. McDonald's, Casey's and Pizza Hut are here, along with a couple of factories, but I'd say it's 90% small businesses with 10 or less employees. There's no way in hell they can afford $15 an hour and keep the doors open.

originally posted by: KawRider9
a reply to: olaru12

So you want me to scam the system and the tax payers so my business excells?

The "Government" doesn't provide funds to ANYONE, the tax payers do...

I'm not a fan of screwing people over for my personal gain. Any business that requires a bail out or tax payer(government) funds is a failure!

While I tend to agree with that sentiment, I feel it necessary to point out:

By saying that any business that required a bailout is a failure, you're including GM, Ford, Chrysler, a lot of banks, and the Trump Organization itself, which were all given bailouts. (His was in the 90s, he lost hundreds of millions in a year and rather than foreclose on the businesses, the banks his organization used floated him in order to keep the hotels/casinos/etc running).
www.washingtonpost.com... c661

You're against those bailouts as well? Not doubting, just confirming.

originally posted by: DAVID64
There's no way in hell they can afford $15 an hour and keep the doors open.

Well so what? If the people they employ can't afford to live reasonably comfortably on the less than $15 an hour that they're currently paying.

I don't mean to sound unsympathetic to business owners... But if you can't afford to provide your employee's with a decent wage, then your probably more of a burden to your local community, rather than a benefit.

a reply to: narrator

What's your solution then? Just have everyone who doesn't/can't make a living wage move away from expensive areas?

Why on earth is it always EVERYONE else's job to help people lead a normal life. At what point do we say, ok time for you to take some initiative???

Like the OP's dishwasher friend. If push came to shove, he would have to decide on food or maybe take that line cook job.

This isn't a one problem type of problem either. There are a couple of things going on. Yes the pay is one, secondly Illinois has super high taxes, fees, costs. Why do you think that is, to help all those people who according to you need help. See how it really isn't "helping" them.