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Hellinois minimum wage goes to 15 dollars an hour

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posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: KawRider9

I own a small corporation and there are some menial jobs that just don't warrant 15 dollars an hour.


So, let me get this right... your pissed cause you think you should have the right to make a profit by paying people slave labour 3rd world wages?

I personally think if you own a business that can't afford to pay a livable wage to employees, then you had an inferior business model in the first place.



15 bucks an hour isn't really a livable wage. Why not 25 an hour? that would be a little closer to something everyone who had a job could enjoy. Vacations to Disney is a right after all. Plus, as you said, if a business can't pay it's employees, they suck. I wonder how many will look into automation? Aw hell, there are plenty of # jobs for # pay around here, they can just move, that's cheap I hear.




posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa

My lowest paid employee make 10 dollars an hour, so not exactly slave wages. As to your profit point, YES!!! If I don't make a profit, no-one gets paid...

We're a collision repair facility. Cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats machinery, etc. We also do custom painting and have a used car lot. There are several jobs here that don't warrant more than 10 bucks an hour and the turn-over rate for those positions is mind blowing. Folks think they're worth more than what they provide. If an employee doesn't make me more money than I pay them, then we're all out of a job.

Stop with your "livable wage" crap. There are jobs that you wont be able to retire from.

Another point, my friend from high school is still a dishwasher in the restaurant he worked at in high school. Mind you, we are in our 40's. You honestly think he deserves a living wage? Maybe a plaque for his dedication, but certainly not a living wage. He's a friggen dishwasher!!!



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: KawRider9

I own a small corporation and there are some menial jobs that just don't warrant 15 dollars an hour.


So, let me get this right... your pissed cause you think you should have the right to make a profit by paying people slave labour 3rd world wages?

I personally think if you own a business that can't afford to pay a livable wage to employees, then you had an inferior business model in the first place.



15 bucks an hour isn't really a livable wage.


I totally agree.

So how can anyone possibly justify a minimum wage of anything less?



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: CeeWhizzle
I can't wait to see them all complaining about inflation rates and why everything costs so much more, but alas, "they make more money", however it didn't make any difference in the end hahahahahah
- I love watching the world burn itself.

The same thing happened where I live in Canada. Minimum wage was at $9.50 or so.. They raised it to $10.11 and then overnight the prices of movie tickets, food at groceries, basic necessities that can be found at any establishment that minimum wage workers are employed and needed, alllll went up by a good 8-12%. Everyone who was a minimum wage worker got furious. Mindless morons.


You're right. There's just no point in the end coz everything you paid for before with the money you had, goes up, so you end up with less, even though you think you are gaining more (which you will for a year or so). Same thing happened here in England couple years ago... everyone was happy that wages were rising.... a few months later, food costs went up, gas went up, electricity went up, homephone costs went up, transport costs went up and very soon council tax is going up.

Didn't see any protests though so I guess the working man just doesn't notice. You need to be awake to notice these things.

At the end of the day the only people winning are the ones importing the goods, the banks and CEO's of large corporations!

Oh and the Politicians and Royal families.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa

There is literally no way around it. You cannot raise minimum wage to a ridiculous amount (whatever is deemed "livable") and to expect a positive outcome. Capitalism does not work that way and it NEVER will. Socialism does not work well either. In the end, within a capitalist world, people need to suffer. There must be sacrifices for those who work hard to get to where they are today. That is the way the system works. I don't agree with it either, but this whole "livable wage" crap needs to be dropped. You will never solve the problem by paying everyone a "livable wage".

Everyone is fighting with each other over money. MONEY.

Why not go after the ones who own and create the money?! Hm? Or are you too scared to stand up to a corrupt government and law?

Hate the game, not the player.
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posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: KawRider9




Stop with your "livable wage" crap. There are jobs that you wont be able to retire from.


There are some people that will never understand. A lot of these jobs were teen/college jobs at one point.
Now everyone thinks every job should be career material (or at least pay), when did that happen?

This is exactly why robots will be flipping burgers, doing dishes, and cleaning floors, and other jobs like that very soon.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: KawRider9
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

My lowest paid employee make 10 dollars an hour, so not exactly slave wages. As to your profit point, YES!!! If I don't make a profit, no-one gets paid...


Then you should not be in business because you're either doing it wrong or don't understand WTF you're doing. Traditionally, only the owner tangos with getting paid via profits alone if they choose and does not bank the employee checks on it.
Pay is part of overhead costs paid for by revenue before profit comes into the equation, NOT paid out of profit after meeting overhead. Making a profit means you made more than just breaking even hitting the operational costs like mats and paychecks.
If you can't pay people without making a profit first, you're already operating at a loss. That means you don't hit enough revenue to cover your overhead.
edit on 2/19/2019 by Nyiah because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: KawRider9
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Another point, my friend from high school is still a dishwasher in the restaurant he worked at in high school. Mind you, we are in our 40's. You honestly think he deserves a living wage? Maybe a plaque for his dedication, but certainly not a living wage. He's a friggen dishwasher!!!


Yeah, it sounds like a crappy job, no doubt. But isn't it a vital role to keeping the company operational?

I mean, could the company operate without a "dishwasher"?

Like if they didn't have one, could the company remain profitable by just serving customers with unwashed cuttery, or whatever? Would they be able to operate their business without getting themselves shut down for health violations, without a dishwasher?



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm
We're already starting to see cashiers disappear. Go into any large grocery store and you can see them transitioning to self-serve checkout stations. McDonalds is now installing self-serve kiosks to order to your food and pay at. A lot of these jobs will simply not exist anymore within a decade.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Self checkout is the greatest invention since microwavable mac n cheese!


edit on 19-2-2019 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: JAGStorm
We're already starting to see cashiers disappear. Go into any large grocery store and you can see them transitioning to self-serve checkout stations. McDonalds is now installing self-serve kiosks to order to your food and pay at. A lot of these jobs will simply not exist anymore within a decade.


The funny thing is, nobody anywhere we've ever been to, even during the rushes, EVER uses those kiosks. They'd rather wait in the line to talk to a person than wait in a line to slap an interface. They're a total flop not catching on in my area.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: Nyiah

The insurance industry dictates what I can charge. Are you willing to pay out of pocket what your insurance company wont?

I'm not in the medical field, so I can't rape my customers. Not that I would.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: KawRider9




Another point, my friend from high school is still a dishwasher in the restaurant he worked at in high school. Mind you, we are in our 40's. You honestly think he deserves a living wage? Maybe a plaque for his dedication, but certainly not a living wage. He's a friggen dishwasher!!!

"Scullery Specialist"
how insensitive can one be?
he has literately worked his way up from the bottom, by his bootstraps, on his own steam!
How often do you think a prep chef job opens up at that place?



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: KawRider9

I own a small corporation and there are some menial jobs that just don't warrant 15 dollars an hour.


So, let me get this right... your pissed cause you think you should have the right to make a profit by paying people slave labour 3rd world wages?

I personally think if you own a business that can't afford to pay a livable wage to employees, then you had an inferior business model in the first place.



15 bucks an hour isn't really a livable wage.


I totally agree.

So how can anyone possibly justify a minimum wage of anything less?


lets not stop here though. When I was 12/13, I had a paper route. I didn't make a living wage with that either. And I had to bust my ass. Hows about some back pay for all that, then there was the stint as McDonalds, the grocery store bagging groceries, and then dishwashing. All jobs that I should have retired from.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: KawRider9

I own a small corporation and there are some menial jobs that just don't warrant 15 dollars an hour.


So, let me get this right... your pissed cause you think you should have the right to make a profit by paying people slave labour 3rd world wages?

I personally think if you own a business that can't afford to pay a livable wage to employees, then you had an inferior business model in the first place.






How much do you think a fry cook who drops a basket of wings into a fryer should make?
Chop salad into edible size chunks?
Where and what do you eat?
That kid stocking cans of soup and ramen noodles is now making how much?
edit on 19-2-2019 by Oaktree because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: JAGStorm
We're already starting to see cashiers disappear. Go into any large grocery store and you can see them transitioning to self-serve checkout stations. McDonalds is now installing self-serve kiosks to order to your food and pay at. A lot of these jobs will simply not exist anymore within a decade.


The funny thing is, nobody anywhere we've ever been to, even during the rushes, EVER uses those kiosks. They'd rather wait in the line to talk to a person than wait in a line to slap an interface. They're a total flop not catching on in my area.

I hate the kiosks as well. Scrolling through the menu trying to find the item you want is a major pain. And then you have to "customize" it (size of drink; fries or not, etc.)

But you can be damn McDonalds will keep the kiosks. Because it's cheaper than paying a bunch of human cashiers.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:22 PM
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I live downstate Illinois and this is really going to muck it up here. In my town $15 an hour is a good job and a livable income. You can get a 2br/1bath house for 50K here so cost of living is pretty cheap. In Chicago $15 an hour might be more reasonable because of the cost of living. Real estate in Chicago is easily 5x more than it is downstate.

There are skilled trade and laborers around here that make less than $20/hour. Most farmers pay their employees around $15 right now if they have experience. Nobody is going to roof a house or work on the farm when they could get the same pay working the register at Casey's, where it's always 72 degrees.

The scale that everything will have to go up everywhere south of Peoria is going to bring a shock to the economy. I predict successful businesses will evolve, relying on more automation to survive, and most small businesses wont make it. Then the people from downstate Illnoise will be leaving faster than the people in Chicago.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:23 PM
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I live right on the WI border of WI/IL and I never cross the border to shop.
Weekends are full of IL plates shopping here.
That 12 per cent sales tax doesn’t help IL, either.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:26 PM
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$10 an hour by 2020? Doesn't seem like that much... Alot of people I know that work 8-10 an hour jobs are dirt poor.



posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: SouthernForkway26

I'm in E. Peoria. This will decimate the vast majority of counties South of I80.




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