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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: JFA13
But, SNL does not portray Trump in the same light that they did with other POTUS of the past.
I disagree, I think Bush got it just as bad.
Here is where you can either look like a hero, or a zero. Show how many times SNL ragged on Bush, and how many times they ragged on Trump. With 8 years of Bush and only 2.5 of Trump, it should be a landslide victory for you. If you have the stones.
I think we both know that I am not going to sit and go through the last 18 years worth of SNL skits.
All I am saying is that Will Ferrell ripped into Bush pretty hard, I actually found that funnier than the Baldwin skits of Trump.
originally posted by: narrator
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: strongfp
He did this to himself. He ran his campaign off calling msm fake news and pushing for one or two over literally everyone else. Maybe if he didnt pick a fight with the media and attempt dismantle it they wouldn't be so zealous to give it right back at him.
I think thats a good answer to the question as to why they take the piss out of him so much, quite a interesting thought as to how different the media would be if he were less about "FAKE NEWS" and my personal favourite "the press are an enemy of the people".
If you think about it though if he would just take a joke as a joke, or even ignore it this wouldn't be as much of an issue I think.
I think that's a key point. If Trump were to just ignore it, it would probably (mostly) go away. Sure, the POTUS is always going to be made fun of. That's part and parcel of the position.
That's the typical response of parents/teachers/etc when someone is bullying a kid. "Just ignore them, if you take it to heart and show them that you're upset, then the bully wins. If you show them that what they're saying doesn't bother you, then the bully has no power and stops because it gets old/boring."
If Trump did exactly that, and stopped lashing out at the media so much, the amount of ridicule would inevitably go down. Don't fuel the fire, and the fire burns out.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Muninn
That sounds like a you problem, I do hope that you get the proper care for the nasty case of TDS you have,
Anyone else getting really bored of these tired TDS insults.
Come up with some of your own original insults ya big flabby jobby, at least try to be original, perhaps if you spent less time obsessing about each and every post I write you might actually develop some original ideas. I cannot help that you get this triggered every time I post, I wish I could, but I can't, only you can help, by not posting childish rubbish every time you see me write the word "Trump".
originally posted by: MadLad
originally posted by: narrator
originally posted by: MadLad
originally posted by: narrator
originally posted by: MadLad
originally posted by: narrator
originally posted by: MadLad
a reply to: narrator
Take for example Harvey Weinstein. He said such great things about actresses, female directors, marched in Woman's March. Is that decent behavior?
If it was sincere and without pretense, sure it's decent behavior.
He's also behaved hideously. Bad people can do good things. Good people can do bad things.
This, in no way, explains what you meant by the "tweet and said" quote.
Ok. My point was that most criticisms of Trump's behavior largely revolve around what he said or tweeted. For instance, him calling Haiti a "sh*thole" (which is a fact), led to worldwide denunciations of him and his administration. But him commuting Alice Marie Johnson's sentance gets...what?
You're playing fast and loose with the word "fact". That is entirely an opinion, since descriptions such as sh*thole aren't rooted in any form of fact.
But I'll repeat myself again, just because someone does something good (pardoning Ms. Johnson), doesn't mean they can't also do bad things. Plenty of people prop him up for the good things. I've stated on several occasions that he's done some great things. But that doesn't mean that he isn't a giant @ss from time to time.
So, why can't I also say he's done and said some sh!^ty things? Why is being critical of Trump such a bad thing?
That's fair, but looking at any of indexes, whether they be of freedom, living standards, violence, GDP, economy, etc. Haiti falls low on all of them. There is massive unrest and uncertainty there right now. You could say it's not a sh*thole, but I'd have to question your motives for doing so.
If your criticisms are warranted, I fully support it. If they aren't, and are mob-derived, I'm going to criticize back. Why is being critical of you guys such a bad thing?
I still don't understand your tweet quote, but I'm just going to drop it since you're dancing around it. Bottom line, he tweets and says some very indecent stuff.
My motive is that it's a pretty crappy thing to say about someone's home, and pretty immature as well. A lot of people love it. The fact that the person who is supposed to represent our country said something so immature is ridiculous to me. Have some tact. Be kind to people who aren't as fortunate as us.
It isn't a bad thing at all, as long as the criticisms are warranted and aren't mob-derived. What's bad is blindly defending the POTUS for literally everything he does, without question. I'm not saying you personally do that, but ATS in general does, and it gets old. There are so many anti-Warren/anti-AOC/anti-Democrat threads on here, but when someone says anything remotely critical of POTUS (or conservatives in general) folks act like we just tried to punch their mother.
It is ok to call out people for their sh*t. No one is immune to that.
He said it in a private meeting. Yet you'll say nothing about the Democrat who ran and leaked a private conversation to the press for political reasons. Have you never swore or said anything untoward in private? Now imagine if someone ratted you out to the press. This is what I mean: you guys police Trump's tweets and speech, but then put on the blinders to actual behavior like the tattle tale who ratted on Trump.
It's the same with the "grab em by the p*ssy" remarks. These remarks were made in private over a decade ago. But the operatives paid to sift through Trump's conversations, leak them to the press in order to make him look bad, get away scott free. These remarks led to the biggest single-day protest in American history. I'll repeat that: no act of violence, injustice, tyranny led to the biggest single-day protest in American history. It was Trumps decades-old, private conversations. This is a glimpse of the priorities you guys are dealing in.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: shooterbrody
I would submit trump is 1/1024th scotch,
Do you mean he is 1/1024 Scotsh as in the drink or Scots as in the brave warrior race of superhuman's that also happen to be fantastically good looking and charming yet at the same time hold a certain attractive humble quality that is only dwarfed by their exceptional intellect and witty patter.
Because either way we have a problem.
originally posted by: hombero
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
I love that you're just some Brit riling up a bunch of Americans. Donald Trump isn't your president. Get your nose out of where it doesn't belong and stop pouring fuel on a fire like how they count on the sheeple doing
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
well played!
en.wikipedia.org...
Donald Trump's mother, Mary Anne MacLeod, came from the Hebridean island of Lewis, off the west coast of Scotland.
only 1/1024th tho
lol
I am aware of that unfortunate incident however we had her excommunicated and all records of her birth destroyed at our last hunt of the wee baby haggis...
PS noticed you getting into the Scottish patter quite a bit recently brother
originally posted by: MadLad
a reply to: UKTruth
I prefer politicians to say what ordinary people say.
This whole 'presidential' thing is a nonsense.
It might be 'shocking' to you, but not to everyone, so the issue is yours. All your reactions to what people say are your own responsibility.
I am glad you are defensive of your country, though. Many are not - they want no borders and no control over who enters your country.
It is nonsense. But the argument says a lot. It means any old actor, so long as he speaks nicely and eloquently, is presidential enough for them. The problem is many dictators were very eloquent and very intellectual.
originally posted by: narrator
originally posted by: MadLad
originally posted by: narrator
originally posted by: MadLad
originally posted by: narrator
originally posted by: MadLad
originally posted by: narrator
originally posted by: MadLad
a reply to: narrator
Take for example Harvey Weinstein. He said such great things about actresses, female directors, marched in Woman's March. Is that decent behavior?
If it was sincere and without pretense, sure it's decent behavior.
He's also behaved hideously. Bad people can do good things. Good people can do bad things.
This, in no way, explains what you meant by the "tweet and said" quote.
Ok. My point was that most criticisms of Trump's behavior largely revolve around what he said or tweeted. For instance, him calling Haiti a "sh*thole" (which is a fact), led to worldwide denunciations of him and his administration. But him commuting Alice Marie Johnson's sentance gets...what?
You're playing fast and loose with the word "fact". That is entirely an opinion, since descriptions such as sh*thole aren't rooted in any form of fact.
But I'll repeat myself again, just because someone does something good (pardoning Ms. Johnson), doesn't mean they can't also do bad things. Plenty of people prop him up for the good things. I've stated on several occasions that he's done some great things. But that doesn't mean that he isn't a giant @ss from time to time.
So, why can't I also say he's done and said some sh!^ty things? Why is being critical of Trump such a bad thing?
That's fair, but looking at any of indexes, whether they be of freedom, living standards, violence, GDP, economy, etc. Haiti falls low on all of them. There is massive unrest and uncertainty there right now. You could say it's not a sh*thole, but I'd have to question your motives for doing so.
If your criticisms are warranted, I fully support it. If they aren't, and are mob-derived, I'm going to criticize back. Why is being critical of you guys such a bad thing?
I still don't understand your tweet quote, but I'm just going to drop it since you're dancing around it. Bottom line, he tweets and says some very indecent stuff.
My motive is that it's a pretty crappy thing to say about someone's home, and pretty immature as well. A lot of people love it. The fact that the person who is supposed to represent our country said something so immature is ridiculous to me. Have some tact. Be kind to people who aren't as fortunate as us.
It isn't a bad thing at all, as long as the criticisms are warranted and aren't mob-derived. What's bad is blindly defending the POTUS for literally everything he does, without question. I'm not saying you personally do that, but ATS in general does, and it gets old. There are so many anti-Warren/anti-AOC/anti-Democrat threads on here, but when someone says anything remotely critical of POTUS (or conservatives in general) folks act like we just tried to punch their mother.
It is ok to call out people for their sh*t. No one is immune to that.
He said it in a private meeting. Yet you'll say nothing about the Democrat who ran and leaked a private conversation to the press for political reasons. Have you never swore or said anything untoward in private? Now imagine if someone ratted you out to the press. This is what I mean: you guys police Trump's tweets and speech, but then put on the blinders to actual behavior like the tattle tale who ratted on Trump.
It's the same with the "grab em by the p*ssy" remarks. These remarks were made in private over a decade ago. But the operatives paid to sift through Trump's conversations, leak them to the press in order to make him look bad, get away scott free. These remarks led to the biggest single-day protest in American history. I'll repeat that: no act of violence, injustice, tyranny led to the biggest single-day protest in American history. It was Trumps decades-old, private conversations. This is a glimpse of the priorities you guys are dealing in.
I was honestly thinking that was a public comment because another poster referred to it as a tweet, didn’t realize that it was said in a meeting. Regardless, I expect our leaders to have more tact than that. I mean, he was still in a meeting with government officials, it wasn’t like it was him and a buddy talking over a beer.
The guy who “ratted him out”, a US government meeting isn’t a “snitches get stitches” situation. Again, it’d be one thing if he said this to a friend over a beer and then the friend told the media. He was in a meeting, where he still needs to act presidential.
Was it nice of him? No. But I prefer people to have enough integrity to speak in public the same way they’d speak in private. If you say something bad enough that it needs to stay hidden, why say it?
The grab ‘em quote...there’s audio of him saying it, and what he’s describing doing is sexual assault. It doesn’t matter where or when he said it, that’s messed up.
originally posted by: MadLad
originally posted by: narrator
originally posted by: MadLad
originally posted by: narrator
originally posted by: MadLad
a reply to: narrator
Take for example Harvey Weinstein. He said such great things about actresses, female directors, marched in Woman's March. Is that decent behavior?
If it was sincere and without pretense, sure it's decent behavior.
He's also behaved hideously. Bad people can do good things. Good people can do bad things.
This, in no way, explains what you meant by the "tweet and said" quote.
Ok. My point was that most criticisms of Trump's behavior largely revolve around what he said or tweeted. For instance, him calling Haiti a "sh*thole" (which is a fact), led to worldwide denunciations of him and his administration. But him commuting Alice Marie Johnson's sentance gets...what?
You're playing fast and loose with the word "fact". That is entirely an opinion, since descriptions such as sh*thole aren't rooted in any form of fact.
But I'll repeat myself again, just because someone does something good (pardoning Ms. Johnson), doesn't mean they can't also do bad things. Plenty of people prop him up for the good things. I've stated on several occasions that he's done some great things. But that doesn't mean that he isn't a giant @ss from time to time.
So, why can't I also say he's done and said some sh!^ty things? Why is being critical of Trump such a bad thing?
That's fair, but looking at any of indexes, whether they be of freedom, living standards, violence, GDP, economy, etc. Haiti falls low on all of them. There is massive unrest and uncertainty there right now. You could say it's not a sh*thole, but I'd have to question your motives for doing so.
If your criticisms are warranted, I fully support it. If they aren't, and are mob-derived, I'm going to criticize back. Why is being critical of you guys such a bad thing?
Orange man huh....for decades liberals and the p.c. tell us how you could never comment on skin color.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Quite interesting reading through the replies from over night am not going to reply to everyone but there are some interesting themes that I find rather interesting.
There are a few members making good points as to why he can't take a joke, for instance his background, his inability to take criticism, and yeah I even think that the folk saying that the amount of criticism he takes from the press might make it more difficult for him to take a joke. So yeah some really good points being made but also as expected some of you seem to want to argue about totally different issues. This thread is not about how funny SNL is or is not, its not about previous presidents ability to be laughed it, its a very simple question, why can't Trump take a joke.
What I find really wired (indeed almost sad) is how some members supporting Trump are actually painting him as the victim of bullies. It's an almost laughable line of defence that Trump is being bullied, they made some jokes about his small hands and now the President is some poor victim of the big bad bullies at SNL.
It's also striking how some of you just completely fail to level any kind of criticism at Trump. Saying Trump can't take a joke is not exactly some huge criticism its really just an observation followed up by a question as to why he can't take a joke but they way some of you are replying to this thread I might as well have made the title "Why is Trump the Son of Satan and killing puppies?". Some of you are just so defensive on any kind of criticism levelled at Trump that its kind of undermines your position because I honestly do believe that some of you will defend the tool no matter what he does.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Bloodworth
Orange man huh....for decades liberals and the p.c. tell us how you could never comment on skin color.
Are you trying to tell us now that Trumps brand of fake tan or whatever chemicals that have lead to the national emergency that is his face is now somehow a race?
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
to be fair the day we stop taking the piss out of our elected officials we are in trouble !
and the day we allow our elected officials the opportunity , they will shut it down because its anti government.
No one should be safe from parody/ satire !