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WATCH LIVE: Trump delivers remarks on Venezuela in Miami Feb 18 2019

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posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

Socialists will defend socialism to the end, even if it ends in their own demise.

meh.

Venezuela with their natural resources should be one of the wealthiest countries on this planet.




posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

Yea they are back on the right track now. But when Cuba was under Castros watch they were still communist with regular aid from Russia. The US hasn't touched Cuba with a twelve foot pole until recently.

People wouldn't even travel to there from the US. They had they're own money, everything. Their biggest export was sugar cane, and some fruits. Their biggest industry was tourism, and still is.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: ausername

The country thrived under Chavez. It's more of a sanction, and leadership issue. Not a socialist one.

How come Bolivia isn't in shambles right now? Oh wait ... it's not filled with oil.


That sounds rational talk... wrong site.

I wonder how big the crowd is?

They couldn't manufacture trump a new evil in the middle east because of trump's salacious tendencies. Now surprise surprise... the US GOVERNMENT supports an anti government coalition.


Why cant Venezuelans deal with Venezuela problems. "Topple" regime, destroy country ' destabilizing the region, more 'migrants '



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:47 PM
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Venezuela with their natural resources should be one of the wealthiest countries on this planet.


This is the only reason America and the Trump is interested in Venezuela. Venezuela's wont be helping their own people just look what the Venezuela's Opposition they already moved Venezuela's Israeli embassy to Jerusalem.

Trump's admin now destabilizing Latin America would be a bad political move, even if your a strong MEGA supporter you have to admit what Trump is doing is wrong.
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posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:47 PM
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And they were, education, healthcare, and jobs were on a massive rise once they started making deals with oil company's.
It's the current leaders fault all this is happening. This isn't socialism fault, this is just poor leadership.

Trumps speeches sounds like a Reagan era blab fest right now. It's getting tiresome. And I'm not even a socialist advocate, but I also don't bash it if it has the right leadership, just like any form of government.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

Trump sounds more and more like another Bush.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: ausername

And they were, education, healthcare, and jobs were on a massive rise once they started making deals with oil company's.
It's the current leaders fault all this is happening. This isn't socialism fault, this is just poor leadership.

Trumps speeches sounds like a Reagan era blab fest right now. It's getting tiresome. And I'm not even a socialist advocate, but I also don't bash it if it has the right leadership, just like any form of government.


Socialism pretty much guarantees a tyrannical leadership.

See... history.

But there will always be closet socialists who point out that it COULD have worked... if it wasn't for the people running it.

/facepalm



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Yea like that has happened in Canada (not really socialist but pretty close) any Scandinavian nation, most of Europe, etc. all corrupt and in rubble.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:02 PM
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Socialism pretty much guarantees a tyrannical leadership.

I could say the same thing about a right wing leadership.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Lumenari

Yea like that has happened in Canada (not really socialist but pretty close) any Scandinavian nation, most of Europe, etc. all corrupt and in rubble.


~yawn~.

Canada is not socialist, sorry.

The closest to socialism you have in Europe is Norway, population roughly 5 million.

97% white, strict immigration policies and they only way they pulled that off is the massive oil production they have.

Yea, let's try that in America.

As far as the rest of Europe I wouldn't call it anything close to socialism except possibly Greece.

It's more like an economic train wreck that couldn't exist if it wasn't for a few of the EU members propping the rest up.

Nice try though.




posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:05 PM
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Any person defending socialism should take a step back and look at what the government runs and how screwed up these programs are. There is not one thing the government has done that has actually made sense in many years. I challenge you to name one thing that has gone well for our government with any department much less the socialist-leaning ones. Socialism and communism cannot thrive because there is no driving motivator for its workers and participants. The only way for socialism to thrive is to remove those who are the heaviest load.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: AtlasHawk

All tyrannical and authoritarian governments are based on Left Wing idealism 😎

A true Right Wing government is so limited you can hardly see it 😎



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

And even Norway has around a 9% poverty rate.

😎



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:07 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Lumenari




Socialism pretty much guarantees a tyrannical leadership.

I could say the same thing about a right wing leadership.


Of course you would, because CNN told you that.

The most tyrannical leaders we have had so far in our history have all been Democratic Progressives.

FDR threw American citizens into internment camps and took all of their belongings and civil rights away because of their ethnicity, ffs.

Have any examples of "right wing" Presidents doing anything close?


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posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Yea they are back on the right track now. But when Cuba was under Castros watch they were still communist with regular aid from Russia. The US hasn't touched Cuba with a twelve foot pole until recently.

People wouldn't even travel to there from the US. They had they're own money, everything. Their biggest export was sugar cane, and some fruits. Their biggest industry was tourism, and still is.



First of all, I'm speaking about Castro's constitution proclamation in '76 where he proclaimed "The Constitution must legally reaffirm the political power of the working class in alliance with the rest of the working masses of the people."

And yes, Cuba lived as Russia's little colonial satellite for 4 decades, and lived on that aid in exchange for a close strategic foothold. And it only survives to this day from the charitable handouts of other nations, like oil rich Venezuela. Because Cuba does not have resources to export to keep up with the demands of their programs. Michael Moore famously toted the Cuban healthcare system as one of the best, yet fails to mention that many Cubans are forced to fashion for themselves something so simple as a hearing aid.

Raul will argue that the embargo harmed them, but that embargo extended only to the US and a few other countries. Nothing prevents Cuba from trading with the rest of the world, and they've had plenty of time to adapt.
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posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Lumenari




Socialism pretty much guarantees a tyrannical leadership.

I could say the same thing about a right wing leadership.

FDR threw American citizens into internment camps and took all of their belongings and civil rights away because of their ethnicity, ffs.

Have any examples of "right wing" Presidents doing anything close?



Nixon's so called 'war on drugs'.

He attempted to suppress an entire generation with tyrannical laws... simply because they didn't adhere to conservative traditional values.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Lumenari




Socialism pretty much guarantees a tyrannical leadership.

I could say the same thing about a right wing leadership.

FDR threw American citizens into internment camps and took all of their belongings and civil rights away because of their ethnicity, ffs.

Have any examples of "right wing" Presidents doing anything close?



Nixon's so called 'war on drugs'.

He attempted to suppress an entire generation with tyrannical laws... simply because they didn't adhere to conservative traditional values.


That's a far cry from internment camps. No one forced them to do drugs, but the Japanese couldn't choose their ethnicity.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:45 PM
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Congress passed the laws.

All Nixon did was sign the Damn things 🤣

And remember, Democrats controlled both Chambers of Congress when Nixon was President.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: AtlasHawk
a reply to: Lumenari




Socialism pretty much guarantees a tyrannical leadership.

I could say the same thing about a right wing leadership.

FDR threw American citizens into internment camps and took all of their belongings and civil rights away because of their ethnicity, ffs.

Have any examples of "right wing" Presidents doing anything close?



Nixon's so called 'war on drugs'.

He attempted to suppress an entire generation with tyrannical laws... simply because they didn't adhere to conservative traditional values.


Erm... I'm assuming you haven't heard of Presidents Johnson or Clinton... both conservatives now to you?


As president, Bill Clinton and his allies embarked on a draconian punishment campaign to outflank the Republicans. “I can be nicked a lot, but no one can say that I’m soft on crime,” he bragged. Roughly a year and a half after the 1992 Los Angeles Rebellion—the largest civil disturbance in U.S. history in which demonstrators took to the streets for six straight days to protest the acquittal of the officers involved in the Rodney King beating—Clinton passed the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act. At its core, this legislation was a federal “three strikes” bill that established a $30.2 billion Crime Trust Fund to allocate monies for state and municipal police and prison expansion. Like its predecessors, starting with Johnson’s Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act, the federal government provided funding to accelerate punitive policies at all levels of governance. Specific provisions included monies for placing 100,000 new police on the streets, the expansion of death penalty eligible crimes, lifetime imprisonment for people who committed a third violent federal felony offense with two prior state or federal felony convictions, gang “enhancements” in sentencing for federal defendants, allowing children as young as 13 to be prosecuted as adults in special cases, and the Violence Against Women Act.


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posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:50 PM
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I've had several friends tell me that the "war on drugs" was supposed to be a mass screening whereby only the weak would get caught and jailed. The drug abusers that lost their lives to addiction would be the easiest for the police to catch followed by the low level street vendors. Sounded like a genocide plan to me even though I'm against the easy access to addictive street drugs.

Still haven't read all the details about Trumps wall, but it certainly does split left and right political rhetoric.

Venezuela is broke, the price of oil dropped below $100 a barrel back in 2015 and 4 years suffering on half that revenue left them in need of financial aid. The United Nations, still recognises Nicolas Maduro so who knows?

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