Seven MP's leave Labour in Corbyn protest.

a reply to: uncommitted

with andrew neil now withdrawn from deconstruction duties, I feel the back-up compass fluctuating somewhat.
quietly awaiting for someone of similar calibre.
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Every one of them aught to resign as MPs. They were elected on a Labour manifesto and who knows where their allegiance now lies. They should be made to stand for election giving their manifesto to the electorate.
To give you an example (this is just an example so don't go cataleptic ), what if the majority of their electorate voted them in on an anti Semitic platform. Now they are elected they completely change and spit in the faces of their electorate.
ANY MP who changes sides mid term aught to automatically be made to stand again. And any MP who changes more than once should be barred from public office. Stand up Mr Farage..

a reply to: Freeborn

Well to be fair we do need a new party, Labour is not what it is supposed to be and I have no doubt that the claim's of racism, bullying and intimidation are very genuinely true.
I just want the Tory's OUT and would have bitten my nail's for a Corbyn term so long as I got that but now I am starting to wonder, just how bad is the rot?.
Now obviously I am a center lefty - a socialist not a commie so I of course have my own political bias.
The point is though that Labour remain's the only genuinely democratic party in British politics and Corbyn for the most part was actually correct but the antisemitism scandal I at first thought was merely a smear campaign has me deeply worried as does the stronger than should be allowed Islamist influence within the party.

IF this new party's core values are what I hold dear then I may vote for them myself, we may see an age of coalition government's as a result of this kind of thing, left, center and right wing but that too would be a victory for democracy as everyone would have had a say rather than just a few corrupt elite and corrupt bullies facing one another and dividing the nation between them.

Personally I think that Party Whip's should be banned by law in all party's and all MP's should be allowed to vote independent of any party allegiance on bill's in the house of common's as they are regional not national representatives, also we should have far more stringent punishment for these untouchable men and woman when external financial bribery etc can be proved to be the case and lobby group's should be banned entirely from government - some have done good but many more have done harm and been solely about vested interests and corporate money.

a reply to: crayzeed

I would be interested to know how each respective constituency voted in the EU referendum.

If all prospective MP's and local councillors stood as independents and on their own personal manifesto that would negate the need and/or argument for a by-election....and it would consign the unfit for purpose party political system to the history books.

No matter what I do admire their strength of personal conviction....its a rarity in the political world of today.

It is interesting that up to this point no-one at all has chosen to comment on this post, www.abovetopsecret.com...

Is it that even here people are reluctant to really speak on such matters.

I don't really care if people agree or disagree....but I would appreciate other's perspective on this.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I doubt I would vote for them.....they appear to be diametrically opposed to my views on the EU.
That doesn't stop me from having admiration and respect for them.

Just been reading this

Jeremy Corbyn's 40 years of plots, lies, intimidation and chaos: Chilling biography tells how Labour leader followed Lenin and Trotsky's bloody footprint - seize power, purge moderates, crush dissent and leave the dirty work to others

TOM BOWER’s new biography paints a chilling picture of a bitter extremist hiding behind a mask of geniality.
And if you want to understand how Corbyn wins power – and the chaos and misery that results – there’s no better place to look than his early career in Haringey, one of the most notorious of London’s ‘Loony Lefty’ boroughs.It was there he honed the malign modus operandi

The Hornsey party was viciously split between warring communists, Marxists and Trotskyites – as well as social democrats. Starting a soon-to-be familiar pattern, Corbyn deftly gave the appearance of not belonging to any faction.
But Barbara Simon, the branch’s long-serving secretary, wasn’t fooled. ‘He was a natural Marxist,’ she noted, seeing him as -b]a sly agitator seeking political advantage at every turn.

‘In his carefully self-controlled way, ‘he presented himself to the lower orders of society, the vulnerable and inadequate people who felt indebted to him, as working-class.’
Indeed in his early years Corbyn would introduce himself by saying ‘I’m from Telford New Town’, suggesting he came from a working-class area when the truth couldn’t be more different.

You could not out-Left Corbyn,’ recalled Robin Young, Haringey’s Labour whip. ‘He detested everyone who disagreed with him. And he always got others to do his dirty work.’
Now began a campaign of intimidation that set the template for those carried out by Corbyn’s Momentum shock troops 40 years later. And, just like today, the man secretly driving it all swore blind that it had nothing to do with him.

Corbyn demanded that Haringey’s Labour group defy the Government by setting illegally high rates.
‘We’ll be personally surcharged,’ the moderates retorted, fearing that their privately owned homes would be seized to pay the fines.
Corbyn continued to demand the sacrifice, without revealing that his own flat had been bought with a GLC mortgage, and was therefore safe from repossession.

McDonnell’s arrival in the Commons strengthened Corbyn, the Liverpudlian’s education and understanding of Marxism compensating for Corbyn’s intellectual deficits.
While Corbyn was uncertain how Marxist ideology fitted in with lip service to capitalist democracy, McDonnell admitted he was a member of Labour only as ‘a tactic’, because it was a ‘useful vehicle’.
Discounting the ballot box as a means to change the world, McDonnell – who called himself ‘the last communist in Parliament’ – explained: ‘There’s another way too which in the old days we called insurrection.

‘Now we call it direct action. It’s when the Government don’t do as you want, you get in the streets or you occupy.’
Now came a key addition to Corbyn’s inner sanctum: Seumas Milne, his 57-year-old intellectual consigliere, an alumnus of Winchester and Oxford, and the son of Alasdair Milne, ex-director general of the BBC.
Milne’s political convictions and intellectual eloquence were to prove vital in helping Corbyn get elected Labour leader in September 2015 in a stunning victory that even dwarfed the mandate for Blair in 1994.

While the new leader wrestled with Shadow Cabinet appointments, office phones rang unanswered, messages remained unacknowledged and arrangements for meetings disappeared because there was no diary. The few scheduled meetings that did take place were abandoned after Corbyn failed to appear, often because he was averse to making decisions
Milne introduced ideological discipline to Corbyn’s office. He persuaded him to make Katy Clark, a hard-Left bruiser, his political secretary. To assist her, Corbyn appointed the Trotskyist Andrew Fisher, who was advised to delete blogs describing his enthusiasm for violence.

Clark’s arrival aggravated the office chaos. Meetings arranged to start at 9am were delayed because no one arrived until 11, and some staff did not come to work at all. ‘They were lazy and p***ed on £100,000 a year,’ said a member of Corbyn’s team. If, by chance, sufficient numbers had arrived by midday, the next hurdle was to find Corbyn.
in early 2016 a ‘loyalty list’ was drafted to classify MPs into five categories, from ‘core group’ to ‘hostile’. It listed only 17 unquestioned loyalists, including McDonnell and Abbott.Every Jewish MP was ‘hostile’ or ‘negative’, including Ed Miliband. Chuka Umunna, another ‘hostile’, was described by a Momentum activist as not ‘politically black’.

While authorising these classifications from his own office,Corbyn the consummate hypocrite publicly ordered his MPs to cease their personal abuse, public sniping and anonymous briefings.
When, over the summer of 2016 Corbyn faced a challenge to his leadership, Momentum activists went to war against the 172 rebel MPs on Twitter, issuing stark threats of deselection, violence and even murder. Fearing for their safety, some MPs hesitated to leave their offices.
A brick was thrown through a window of Angela Eagle’s office.

She directly accused Corbyn of allowing a ‘culture of bullying’ to develop. ‘It’s being done in your name,’ another of the victims told Corbyn. He replied with the old lie: ‘I don’t allow bullying.’
High on the list of targets was Ben Bradshaw, the MP for Exeter, who denounced Corbyn as a ‘destructive combination of incompetence, deceit and menace’.

John Woodcock, another victim, reviled Corbyn and McDonnell for having ‘set themselves up as the high priests of honest and straight-talking politics. Yet as soon as they are challenged,
The pressure to pledge allegiance to their leader was unpleasant and intense.

Although she was on maternity leave, Liverpool MP Luciana Berger was told by a Unite official who had recently been elected on to her constituency’s executive committee to ‘get on board quite quickly now’, and apologise to Corbyn. She duly succumbed.

The intimidation of Berger was not unique. Many female Labour MPs, particularly Jews, complained of renewed abuse by the Left.
At about 11.30am he announced ‘We need to collect more leaflets’, and drove them back to his flat. The three walked in to discover a naked woman on the bed. Diane Abbott, Corbyn proudly announced, was his new girlfriend. ‘He wanted us to see her in his bed,’ recalled Veness. ‘She was shocked when we entered.’
Corbyn’s passion for Abbott ended any hope Jane Chapman might have had that their relationship could be restored. He had found a political soul mate who regarded Britain as the country that ‘invented racism’, and echoed his praise for the IRA.

And theres more lots more

www.dailymail.co.uk...

originally posted by: Freeborn
It is interesting that up to this point no-one at all has chosen to comment on this post, www.abovetopsecret.com...

Is it that even here people are reluctant to really speak on such matters.

I don't really care if people agree or disagree....but I would appreciate other's perspective on this.

Its touched on in my post below yours of his abridged biography......

in early 2016 a ‘loyalty list’ was drafted to classify MPs into five categories, from ‘core group’ to ‘hostile’. It listed only 17 unquestioned loyalists, including McDonnell and Abbott.Every Jewish MP was ‘hostile’ or ‘negative’, including Ed Miliband. Chuka Umunna, another ‘hostile’, was described by a Momentum activist as not ‘politically black’.

He's a slippery piece of work and puts his name to nothing!

originally posted by: Freeborn
It is interesting that up to this point no-one at all has chosen to comment on this post, www.abovetopsecret.com...

Is it that even here people are reluctant to really speak on such matters.

I don't really care if people agree or disagree....but I would appreciate other's perspective on this.

I think you're probably right , and if Muslims are prepared to vote ,albeit on the advice of local Imams , and they all do vote , then that's going to be an actual reason why there might some truth to the allegations of anti semitic views . I don't know if you've ever read the qu'ran but it's plain fact , that Islam is a fundamentally anti semitic religion . It's got about 0% good to say about Christians either for that matter .

People need to understand the East/West split to understand Israel and Palestine's problems . Israel is so aggressive there wouldn't be a Palestine , but for the fact the Palestinians are backed by the East . And the same vice versa is pretty much true , if Israel wasn't backed up by the West , it wouldn't exist . Neither side is any less entitled than the other , and Palestinian leadership have not all been saints by any means, while Israel do play dirty . What we heard about Yasser Arafat .. stomach churning , maybe not true but all the same , where there's smoke etc .

Last point comes off a speech by Daniel Hannan mp , who says that Israel never gets a good reception in Brussels , giving the reason that Israel is an epitome of an independent nation , that without Israel's history as a nation , we wouldn't have the modern ideas of what a nation is . The EU of course are a supranational body , honestly wishing to leave any nationhood behind and go towards federalisation of the entire region , expecting to deal with similar bodies , and hence the disdain for Israel as a sole national actor , a self protector, one that intends to remain in touch with it's own national identity , for good , effectively .

So if these splitters want to be pro-Israel but anti Brexit , it's a bit ironic perhaps , maybe they're a bit ignorant too .

The reason why anti-Semitism has been allowed to flourish in Labour is simple. Jews don't vote Labour, or at least that's what the new intake of Palestinian-flag waving activists believe. Couple that with the statistics that state ethnic minorities are likely to vote for Labour, then you get good politics. It's an electoral benefit to be anti-Semite.

a reply to: eletheia

Great read.

The deselection changes will greatly enhance Corbyn's grip on Labour.....I think Stalin himself would have been proud.

I know of only a very small number of people who continue to publicly support Corbyn; him and his cohorts have alienated a large part of Labour's traditional voting base.
I dread to think where that vote and support may go.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

I'm pleased someone else see's this.
The Imam's have a huge amount of influence in sections of Muslim communities and at present they are firmly behind Labour and their pro-Palestine stance.
This pro-Palestine attitude has seeped into core Labour doctrine and has an obvious manifestation as anti-Semitism.

The Corbynista's could no more disavow that belief than a Tory could disavow capitalism.

The irony of pro-Israel supporters having Remain views has not been lost on me.

a reply to: Freeborn

It does make sense if Labour need the Muslim vote .. especially since if the Muslims all vote it's going to be a significant number to set against normally very poor overall voter turnout in general elections , particularly in the cities.

Reading the guardian a little while ago, Derek Hatton has been re admitted to the party and George Galloway is on about coming back.

Quite an exciting time for politics eh?

a reply to: Freeborn

I was particularly interested in the personal aspect, and was not in the least

surprised his wives needed a medal the size of a frying pan to put up with him,

they would have been easier to understand had they not been intelligent.

Jane Chapman was 23, an attractive graduate studying for a doctorate at the London School of Economics. ‘Jeremy professed love early on,Consumed by what she described as a ‘whirlwind’ three-month romance – ‘he constantly urged us to marry’ – she agreed because ‘he was friendly and lively and seemed bright and not bad-looking’.

eh?

Neither set of parents was impressed by their child’s choice. Chapman’s mother, a lifetime Tory, was not pleased that her ambitious daughter was marrying a poorly off, uneducated trade union official.
Corbyn’s mother disliked her new ‘alpha female’ daughter-in-law. It was wrong, she thought, to have such an obvious competitive element in a marriage.
Tensions were aggravated when Corbyn’s brother Piers arrived at the wedding looking even more scruffy than normal. Corbyn's embarrassed mother swept him off to buy a shirt and a suit, but they did not return until after the ceremony.
Among the biggest surprises for Chapman was the total absence of books in her husband’s life.Throughout the four years of their marriage, he never read a single one. He did not think deeply about ideology or political philosophy. Her initial judgment that he was ‘bright’ was mistaken. Jane Chapman discovered, her husband’s understanding of their domestic finances was no better than his dismal grasp of economics. When he returned home at night, he’d happily open a can of beans, swallow them cold and declare himself satisfied.
Occasionally, he returned late from a meeting of the Hornsey Labour Party with friends to sing IRA songs while they all got drunk on beer. He would sit on the floor in his greasy, unwashed army surplus store jacket, oblivious to his wife’s irritation.

Holidays???? Now this is where he shows class!

he ordeal was not just riding pillion on Corbyn’s bumpy bike, but his passion for abstinence.
While Chapman wanted to sleep in a proper bed and eat in interesting restaurants, Corbyn insisted on a small tent and cooking tins of beans on a single ring Calor gas stove. The nearest Chapman got to comfort was after a rainstorm flooded their tent outside Prague.Begrudgingly, Corbyn agreed to spend the night under cover – not in a hotel, but in a student hostel.

Not exactly PM material Wonder what he does with his MP's expenses??

a reply to: eletheia

I was talking to a friend the other night about this....he sounds a thoroughly boring individual.
Not a disqualification in itself for senior positions but do we really want this man representing this country on the world stage....just imagine his small talk.

The more I find out about him the less I have in common....in fact I can't think of one.

And loathe as I am to discus such things with such a lady as yourself the mere thought of him together with Diane Abbot is really quite frightening and really brings his judgemental skills into serious questioning.

originally posted by: Freeborn

And loathe as I am to discus such things with such a lady as yourself the mere thought of him together with Diane Abbot is really quite frightening and really brings his judgemental skills into serious questioning.

When he returned home at night, he’d happily open a can of beans, swallow them cold and declare himself satisfied.
Occasionally, he returned late from a meeting of the Hornsey Labour Party with friends to sing IRA songs while they all got drunk on beer. He would sit on the floor in his greasy, unwashed army surplus store jacket

As PM of the UK Can you see Merkle Barnier Tusk and DrunkerJuncker

sitting on the floor and singing IRA songs or the EU anthem (have they got one?)

a reply to: Joneselius


Where are all your jobs and prosperity since the trickle down effect, took effect when all the public assets got sold off where is your share of the money. In offshore accounts never to be seen again, that is where. No more job security, falling standard of living, and they still vote for the Tories, and the bought off Labour party. When you are finally robbed of your last pound, the ones that did it to you will be living on a sun drenched beach somewhere when you are looking for the next drug fix to make it all go away. Then when someone does finally start a factory again, you will have to relearn the skills your grandpa had .

a reply to: eletheia

A man who sang IRA songs thinks he is fit to lead this country and its security forces....truly beggars belief.

Looking through the comments section of the guardian was a laugh.
Seems all those new labour types are letting their true colours show as they spit insults at each other.

The old labour sorts have been saying don't let the door hit you on the way out to the 7 MPs and boy, do some of these lot hate it.