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How Does a Vegan Reconcile Being Pro-Abortion?

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posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:21 PM

originally posted by: QuittingHeaven
a reply to: vonclod

Maybe a better argument is this. If a woman who is pregnant...say...8 months is allowed to terminate the pregnancy, why shouldn't the parent of an 8 month old child be allowed to do the same? Yes...I understand that the baby is "born" but the baby was viable at 8 months in the womb.

I'd like to hear the argument for the differences. I don't see any.

To be fair...I'm pro-choice but there needs to be a time limit or infant-maturity-limit of say 20 weeks. This "until birth" crap is not only creepy, but down right evil.

I don't disagree ..I do not believe termination should be allowed at 8 months for any reason other than saving the life of the mother.

posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:30 PM

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: LSU2018

Couldn't have said it better myself. It is called self-control, discipline and self-respect
Something those easy lefties know little about.

if you don't want a child then you should avoid all routes that lead to pregnancy.

Self control? says the guy who has posted his fantasies of nuking parts of his own country if they became socialist, you have made other posts talking about shooting people at the border..get f'ing reall!!

posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:35 PM
a reply to: LSU2018
Ya, and?

posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:38 PM
a reply to: riiver

I'm wondering if the OP was made due to some special club, you know Vegans For Baby Death. Is there some poll regarding how vegans feel about abortion?

posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 06:43 PM
There's actually quite a bit of discussion about it as it's certainly a topic that is brought up frequently in the vegan 'movement' or whatever you want to call it-

I’d like to add that there is no vegan consensus or official doctrine on abortion. Vegans, like the rest of the world’s population, hold very different beliefs outside of their refusal to participate in the exploitation of non-human animals. Views on abortion are often, but not always, heavily influenced by ones religious or spiritual practice and morals, which vary as wildly amongst vegans as non.[1][2][3][4][5][6]

In fact the issue of whether abortion is even relevant to veganism itself is hotly debated. While the abortion issue is, at least from my personal experience, most often thrown out as a diversion tactic intended to invalidate veganism as a whole, there remain a few very real and valid intersections to explore. The disconnect most often perceived within the veganism and abortion debate is the pro-choice vegan. [tweet this]

Let’s start at the surface and the most basic argument against pro-choice veganism: if vegans are against killing, then we have to be against all killing. The fallacy in this position is what’s called a false dilemma, posing a black and white reality when ample grey exists.

Even most peace-loving pacifists would defend themselves against an attacker and find no moral fault in the death of a perpetrator during a true kill-or-be-killed situation.

And here's a big discussion on Reddit, where you can probably get a LOT more insight into what actual vegans think instead of several pro-lifers in here lending their ideas of what vegans think.

If you dig around enough, you'll find that it's probably just as split among vegans as it is the rest of the country.

edit on 18-2-2019 by Drucifer because: Derp spelling

posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 08:07 PM
Likely the same way people that bitch and moan about welfare / safety nets yet profess to be "pro life".

posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 08:15 PM
a reply to: Drucifer

Thanks for that. I wasn't aware it was being debated. Im not on any other forums where this subject would be a thing.

posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 08:17 PM
a reply to: AScrubWhoDied
Great point!!
I was going to mention it but figured why bother.

posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 09:06 PM

originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
Likely the same way people that bitch and moan about welfare / safety nets yet profess to be "pro life".

The same way people moan about raising taxes yet claim to be pro-choice.

Both pro-choice and pro-life arguments pertain to abortion, not welfare and the death penalty.

posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 12:52 AM
a reply to: Metallicus

This is an amazing question. I know that their answer will be "ProChoice is pro-medical privacy, not pro-abortion." But the logic that it takes to make that argument is still there. If you have a level 5 vegan (no meat, no fish, no egg, no dairy, no leather, no wool) how can they hold to their beliefs and still claim that a cluster of cells is not a living thing?

Unless all they care about is cruelty to animals? They don't care about cruelty to humans.

posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 03:15 AM

originally posted by: Carcharadon
You Pro-Murder fanatics don't have a valid argument to stand on. Just own it. You like the thought of butchered babies. Just own your depravity.

Are you really that simple minded?
Do you honestly think there is no valid arguments?

They can be arguments you disagree with but if you really believe there are no valid arguments then you're a simpleton who hasn't looked into the topic enough to have an opinion that's worth anything.

posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 08:30 AM
a reply to: AProudLefty

Fetuses under 24 weeks don't feel pain.

Have you interviewed one so it could tell you if it did or didn't ?

posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 09:10 AM

originally posted by: AProudLefty
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Plants don't feel pain. They are not sentient.
Fetuses under 24 weeks don't feel pain. They are not sentient.

There OP. That's the reconciliation.

Actually there have been studies that show that plants do indeed feel pain and have some sort of conciousness, in that they will "react" differently to a person who means them harm compared to someone who intends to care for it. I will see if I can find the links, its been a few years since I went down that rabbit hole.

Saying this, what does it mean for your attempt at reconciling the OPs original question?

posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 09:11 AM
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

How can it tell me if it has no brain function at al? And scientific instruments tell doctors and scientists all the time.

posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 09:14 AM
a reply to: looneylupinsrevenge

It was in response to this:

I'm more interested in how Vegans justify eating plants which are also alive

I haven't heard of any study that show the possibility of plants to have some kind of sentence. Their movements is based on their response to the environment, i.e. sun.

posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 03:00 PM

originally posted by: AProudLefty
a reply to: MykeNukem

I'm just dying for you to show me the science behind "sentience".

Maybe some links showing when "sentience" occurs exactly?

I have so many answers to that but I will reserve them for later.
I googled "when does sentience begin" and the results are mainly about foetus.

Yes, I know that.

You acted like we know for a fact when "Sentience" begins. You also acted like you knew what being "Sentient" meant. I don't think you did know...

If you did know about "Sentience", you'd know it's mainly a Philosophical Construct, and you wouldn't have to be frantically Googling it right now.

Answer the question.

edit on 2/19/2019 by MykeNukem because: sp.

posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 05:22 PM

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: Sheye

I think people have a right to be selfish when it comes to what happens to their body.

I am curious about your thoughts on abortion stopping young girls killing themselves with coathangers.
Stopping abortion, only means stopping safe abortions.

Hey her body her choice...she mental enough to attack herself with a coathanger perhaps that is whst she needs to do...

I think those days are over pretty much now though...people are too lazy to try most anything.

The vast majority of abortions are received by disturbed females in mid 20's and up...NOT YOUNG GIRLS...i saw plenty of this in the last 20 years...let us face facts...women are extremely.volatile emotionally and really we and they have no idea at all what programming rules them day to day.

Wait I know..let us give them fully over to the same scums who have ruled us for 10's of thousands of years and see if things get better.

Oh, they have not at all !

Their plans have worked perfectly and they will win in totality this time...absolutely perfect tactics.

posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 05:25 PM
a reply to: MykeNukem

Already answered. Sentience and feeling start when they become developed in brain.

posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 05:37 PM

originally posted by: Sillyolme
No one is pro abortion.

Its pro choice.

Jesus H flipping christ in a hand basket get it right people.

No one is going in for an abortion with glee saying oh joy I get to do this...
Such idiots.

All your renaming and labelling will not work anymore.

And B.S. i have personally accompanied girls to the hospital and they were thrilled as get it done.

I heard one cry her brains out when they told her she can't have anymore cause it was too dangerous...her 6th attempt in 4 years.

Amazingly that kid now lives with her father and is turning out well while the mother learnt about other ways to NOT GET PREGNANT LOL.

posted on Feb, 19 2019 @ 05:43 PM

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: JBurns

Yea... cause all vegans are lefties who have sex and abortions as much as possible.... Sounds like something a 80 yea old would say..

Why cause it is the truth ?

Almost all vegans ARE that way...and they acknowledge that fact openly where I live near a very liberal lefty city.

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