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originally posted by: QuittingHeaven
a reply to: vonclod
Maybe a better argument is this. If a woman who is pregnant...say...8 months is allowed to terminate the pregnancy, why shouldn't the parent of an 8 month old child be allowed to do the same? Yes...I understand that the baby is "born" but the baby was viable at 8 months in the womb.
I'd like to hear the argument for the differences. I don't see any.
To be fair...I'm pro-choice but there needs to be a time limit or infant-maturity-limit of say 20 weeks. This "until birth" crap is not only creepy, but down right evil.
originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: LSU2018
Couldn't have said it better myself. It is called self-control, discipline and self-respect Something those easy lefties know little about.
if you don't want a child then you should avoid all routes that lead to pregnancy.
I’d like to add that there is no vegan consensus or official doctrine on abortion. Vegans, like the rest of the world’s population, hold very different beliefs outside of their refusal to participate in the exploitation of non-human animals. Views on abortion are often, but not always, heavily influenced by ones religious or spiritual practice and morals, which vary as wildly amongst vegans as non.
In fact the issue of whether abortion is even relevant to veganism itself is hotly debated. While the abortion issue is, at least from my personal experience, most often thrown out as a diversion tactic intended to invalidate veganism as a whole, there remain a few very real and valid intersections to explore. The disconnect most often perceived within the veganism and abortion debate is the pro-choice vegan. [tweet this]
Let’s start at the surface and the most basic argument against pro-choice veganism: if vegans are against killing, then we have to be against all killing. The fallacy in this position is what’s called a false dilemma, posing a black and white reality when ample grey exists.
Even most peace-loving pacifists would defend themselves against an attacker and find no moral fault in the death of a perpetrator during a true kill-or-be-killed situation.
originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
Likely the same way people that bitch and moan about welfare / safety nets yet profess to be "pro life".
originally posted by: Carcharadon
You Pro-Murder fanatics don't have a valid argument to stand on. Just own it. You like the thought of butchered babies. Just own your depravity.
Fetuses under 24 weeks don't feel pain.
originally posted by: AProudLefty
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar
Plants don't feel pain. They are not sentient.
Fetuses under 24 weeks don't feel pain. They are not sentient.
There OP. That's the reconciliation.
I'm more interested in how Vegans justify eating plants which are also alive
originally posted by: AProudLefty
a reply to: MykeNukem
I'm just dying for you to show me the science behind "sentience".
Maybe some links showing when "sentience" occurs exactly?
I have so many answers to that but I will reserve them for later.
I googled "when does sentience begin" and the results are mainly about foetus.
originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: Sheye
I think people have a right to be selfish when it comes to what happens to their body.
I am curious about your thoughts on abortion stopping young girls killing themselves with coathangers.
Stopping abortion, only means stopping safe abortions.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
No one is pro abortion.
Its pro choice.
Jesus H flipping christ in a hand basket get it right people.
No one is going in for an abortion with glee saying oh joy I get to do this...
originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: JBurns
Yea... cause all vegans are lefties who have sex and abortions as much as possible.... Sounds like something a 80 yea old would say..