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Does The DNC Have Any Pro-American Domestic Policies?

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posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:42 AM
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I beg to differ. Socialism isn't the GOAL of the left...it is a dictatorship. Socialism is just one method to get to the actual goal.

The polar opposite of the left's dictatorship is America for Americans. A country that puts country and citizens first and then helps where it can world-wide. Note...I said HELPS not FIGHTS.

The only group right now that claims and shows some evidence of this polar opposite is the Trump campaign and their supporters.

Like it or not...hate the guy or not...Trump is for America...the left are for the destruction of America. And again...here is my classic example for proof:

If you love something, you don't want to fundamentally change it as stated by Obama and the left. If you love your wife, you don't want to fundamentally change her. Try telling her you want to fundamentally change her, give her new rules to follow exclusively dictated by you and how you want her to give you everything, including her income and you will give her the food you choose, the rules you choose and the lifestyle you choose.

You may then wish to contact a lawyer.




posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 08:58 AM
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Open Borders.
No ICE or immigration police.
Free everything for everybody
Everyone can vote and drive, don't care if legal citizen
Raise Taxes
Kill babies pretty much anytime anywhere, even after born.
Doesn't even need to be by a Doctor.

What other lunacy have I Ieft off?



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: jjkenobi

Always believe a woman and/or a rape allegation no matter what! No matter how politicized, or convenient, or long, or unbelievable... you will at all times Believe! Believe! Believe!

Damn true believers.


In reference to the above, I say: Not a chance. As always, physical evidence/proof or it never happened

Of course, the insane knee-jerk mentally ill culture known as "Me Too" they created has really been biting them in their asses lately. I laughed for about 3 days straight



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
And if so why do none of their headliners ever speak of them?

Yes there is the $15 Minimum Wage push, that quite frankly sounds like lip service as there are no actions towards that goal, no viable explanations of how small businesses would survive such an expense and I have heard lower amounts such as $10 and $12 pushed when even mentioned.

Infrastructure is mentioned, but again no action. The border wall could have be a large public works project contracted out to private enterprise, but now fall to I would guess the Army Corp of Engineers. At the same time military housing really needs major renovations. To me this is infinitely a better use of military budget and resources, but now they have to build the wall to secure the American people.

Why would anyone sacrifice $30 Billion because they couldn’t have $33 Billion because it really shouldn’t require advanced degrees in economics to understand that losing 10% is better than losing 100% or that 90% profit is better than 0%.

Party of inclusion; except for smokers, gun owners, successful entrepreneurs, differering political opinions, etc.

Is there any thing pro-America about any Democrat?


Yes! Yes! and YES!

Pro-America Policies of the DNC:

-Free college tuition to our population, making it easier for Americans and less financially restrictive for their children to get a higher education. We are lagging behind other countries in STEM . We need a more educated populace that doesnt rely on trades and labor since the future is AI, Machines, and other tech. We need to pump our tax dollars into the education system to get up to par!

-Investing in clean energy! Incentivizing the manufacturing and installation of solar panels, wind, and geothermal energy gathering! this not only reduces the pollution here in our homeland making us healthier, but it also advances our civilization technologically. We can slowly ween our population off limited fossil fuels, and stop spending our money on FOREIGN OIL. We can stop the need to DRILL in our nature preserves. We can CREATE new jobs in the clean energy industry, which has the opportunity to be a trilion dollar market when thinking about installation/manufacturing/research/design/maintenance!

-Social programs that assist those HERE, in our country... who are in need! Welfare, food stamps, after school programs for the arts etc.

-Infrastructure upgrades to the power gird, our schools, libraries, bridges, museums!

Thats just a slice of the DNC pie... you should come over, its quite a good time!



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: Lucidparadox

How about free in-state college tuition for illegals, but not for poor US students? Is that one pro-America?

Sanctuary cities? Does that seem pro-america?


How about universal background checks for voters, with a voter education class that must be taken before you are allowed to vote in a given state? No, wait, that's just for guns....

Or how about "voter access laws" to prevent an election judge for asking to see ID? 95,000 illegals voted in Texas in 2018; it's how Beto expected to win, and how he came within 2 points of the republican incumbent. It that a pro-American policy?



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

Then maybe I was a little early to jump the gun on the assumption of your question being rhetorical. It's kinda subjective though, what does 'pro-American' mean to you? Does it mean bolstering national defense? Does it mean helping the 'average' American? Does it mean creating a better overall economy?

Here's a 50 page PDF that lays out what Democrats stand for as of 2016. The section titled 'Promoting Trade That Is Fair And Benefits American Workers' sounds pretty pro-American to me.

I'm not going to read the entire party platform for you though. If you want to go through that and discuss some of those points, sure, let's do it.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: links234

So you're saying "No, they do not." Good answer!



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: Lucidparadox

Who pays the bills for this?



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

No problem man, changing my registration later today because you've all convinced me.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 02:30 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Lucidparadox

Who pays the bills for this?


Easy...

The United States crazy income inequality statistics show that 85% of the income growth goes to the top 1% of the nations citizens.

All you do is tax the rich.. you dont tax them to the point as to where they arent rich anymore, but you tax the rich to the point as to where its reasonably worthwhile for them to still work hard to make more money.. AND enough so that we can pay for everything.

Many conservatives here are saying "Make America Great again" and often reference "again" as to how it was back in the 50's and 60's. What you guys dont realize, is that the 50's and 60's is when we as a country built the majority of our schools and public buildings etc.

That took ALOT of public money! How did we do it?

The highest tax rate in 1951 (the highest bracket) was taxed at 91%... way higher than what the highest tax bracket is right now (37%).

Can you imagine what we could build and do as a country, as a whole, with all that money? Think about what it could do for our infrastructure, education, and healthcare?



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: links234

Right off the bat. Unions for all establishes collective bargaining agreements for all employees regardless of occupation from paper route drivers to microbiologists and bioengineers. But what of independent inventors or even bait shop owners?

Absolute wage controls and unified pay scales work fine in public sector fields but innovation typically occurs in the private sector. Even our currency of Federal Reserve Notes is a private enterprise.

To fully accomplish such a goal, significant amounts of industry and other fields would have to be nationalized. GM would indeed become Government Motors.

Expanded access to “affordable housing.” Is this going to lead to the same situation as the 2008 mortgage crisis or more blighted Section 8 developments? Both directions have been terrible, and there is no mention of an alternative plan.

July 1, 1971 the Postal Reorganizational Act went into effect negating much of the old US Post Office Department due stokes over low pay and working conditions. The DNC plan is to bring it all back under full Federal control, potentially reestablishing those conditions that caused the divide.


I can do this for the whole document. And as I said earlier, I have read it hence this thread. Many of the points coincide with what Trump and the Republicans have said. Especially areas of encouraging domestic production. What is lacking is decisive means of how to perform it. And Democratic Leadership has opposed vehemently the means of getting it done such as the Tariffs that incentivize domestic production versus cheaper imports from China.

It is the mission of Congress and the Federal Government to encourage and advance science, education and research. Calling that a DNC platform is lip service to a primary function, but quite a few pages are dedicated without comprehensive plans expressed. So I will give you one for free. How to advance individual wealth therefore diversifying old financially powerful dynasties, generate renewable energy, revitalize textile industries and greatly reduce dependence on foreign oil all in a single product...

Ready? Hemp seed oil. All Diesel engines can run it. The refining process is crush the seed and strain the hull pieces from the oil and then pour it in the tank. The oil itself is a non toxic substitute in petroleum products like plastics, paints and varnishes. The oil can be burnt in place of coal in power plants. The fibers of the plant, pure textiles potential. Domestically grown all over the US advancing agriculture.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: Lucidparadox

Democrats are sure generous with other people's money!



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

Is any of that 'pro-American' though? Would any of that help the average American? You asked, specifically, what 'pro-American' policies the Democrats have. Then you go off on a tangent about innovation and pay scales.

Let's explore the 'affordable housing' bit though. A minimum-wage worker needs 2.5 jobs, on average, to afford a one-bedroom apartment. Would making housing more affordable while also raising the minimum wage be 'pro-American'? Two million Americans work at or below the minimum wage, 80% of them are over the age of 25. Again though, you'd need 2.5 jobs to afford a one-bedroom apartment. So what about the millions of people falling into that 'just slightly above minimum wage' category? A worker making $8/hour is making above minimum wage but still can't afford to live on that wage alone.

Millions of Americans are considered 'the working poor.' I believe any policies that promote lifting them out of that category constitutes 'pro-American' way more than tax breaks for 'job creators.'



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: links234

Here is the thing about minimum wage. It is an arbitrary number. If $15 really and truly helps to fix things then why not make it $100 and fix everything. Or alternatively explain why $100 wouldn’t work and why $15 does work.

The bottom wage is still the bottom wage no matter what the bottom wage is. The only difference between $7.25 and $15 is that you allow for the collection of more taxes because the tax bracket values do not change. Simply put, Democrats want you to be paid more so they can collect more. Nothing else changes. Poor remains poor because the bottom wage is the bottom wage no matter the pay. At $7.25 you are responsible for $1810; at $15 it is $3744 not counting deductions or Adjusted Gross Income. That is it, nothing more to it than that.

Nationalizing and normalization of all wages just streamlines the estimation of revenue from income taxes. Chattel on a tax farm is what you are to the DNC.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

Is it pro-American to want people to earn more money?

Secondly, I fundamentally disagree with the premise of your argument that Democrats only want wages to go up so they can collect more taxes. I mean...I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around this idea of 'tax hungry' Democrats to the point that they'd voluntarily raise the minimum wage just so they could raise more revenue.

Here's how I'm envisioning your line of thinking:

Why would they want to raise taxes? To fund social programs.
Why would they want to fund social programs? To keep people dependent on government.
If people earn more through raising the minimum wage and it puts them in a different tax bracket, doesn't that also mean they're no longer eligible for those social programs?

Do you see where I'm getting lost in your argument there?



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: links234

Forget about advancing social programs for a minute. Let’s really look at minimum wage first.

Let’s say you have a lemonade stand for 25 cents a glass. Currently you have to sell 29 glasses an hour to make $7.25 minimum wage ignoring expenses because you have a lemon tree, a well and sugar cane in your yard. But at $15, you would have to 60 glasses an hour. Or 30 if you bumped the price to 50 cents. But at 50 cents you risk losing customers to other lemonade stands. Best you can hope for is selling 50 glasses per hour at 30 cents and stealing some customers from the 50 cent stands.

But here is problem, your lemon tree won’t produce enough lemons for 50 glasses per hour. You can plant more trees but it will be four years before they produce so you will have to buy lemons requiring you to sell more glasses per hour to cover that expense or you will go out of business.

This doesn’t help small business and if there are not enough customers for the product you are screwed either way. But what if your stand was part of a franchise? Those workers are screwed as well if you go out of business. And you were not rich, you were just trying to maintain minimum wage. You could diversify by mowing lawns, but that time takes you away from the lemonade stand. Complete enterprise change or become an employee for someone else? But what of the people that enjoyed that lemonade?

Well an alternative is social programs to support you to make up the difference, but doesn’t that increase poverty then by creating more users of social welfare? Plus you have costs rising on the social programs before adding more people just from doubling the prices of food and other essentials.

That is a self destructive path to me. Which can only be combated by raising minimum wage again and hoping more businesses are not impacted and increasing the population on the welfare rolls even more.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 11:05 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

You're creating a hypothetical to try to dumb down or disprove the need for a higher minimum wage. You didn't really address the original post you made, on whether wanting to raise the minimum wage was 'pro-American' in your opinion. You also glossed over the housing costs and the number of people actually earning minimum wage right now.

Using a small-business owner as an example of the working poor is kind of unfair to the folks who are forced to work minimum wage in retail or fast food or hospitality and don't own their own business. A small business owner can sort of pay themselves whatever they want, they may even fall into that 'less than minimum wage' group of people. The government doesn't say how much you have to pay yourself, so using a business owners salary is comparing apples to oranges.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 11:25 PM
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originally posted by: links234
I was going to answer but then I realized it's really just a rhetorical question, in that, you don't actually want an answer but just want an opportunity to deride Democrats. The previous posters have pretty much covered your expectations.


Yep. This post is on point. Bravo.

I fully remember when ATS was a place where people would truly "deny ignorance" and engage in actual discourse. It has, since the election of President Trump, turned into the lowest level of an echo chamber for folks who subscribe to the right wing rhetoric.

Based on your post, you are willing to have a legitimate conversation, but know all too well that that won't happen on these boards these days.

And, no, to all of you who are going to get up in arms about this...I am not a Democrat.



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 11:33 PM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: links234

Forget about advancing social programs for a minute. Let’s really look at minimum wage first.

Let’s say you have a lemonade stand for 25 cents a glass. Currently you have to sell 29 glasses an hour to make $7.25 minimum wage ignoring expenses because you have a lemon tree, a well and sugar cane in your yard. But at $15, you would have to 60 glasses an hour. Or 30 if you bumped the price to 50 cents. But at 50 cents you risk losing customers to other lemonade stands. Best you can hope for is selling 50 glasses per hour at 30 cents and stealing some customers from the 50 cent stands.

But here is problem, your lemon tree won’t produce enough lemons for 50 glasses per hour. You can plant more trees but it will be four years before they produce so you will have to buy lemons requiring you to sell more glasses per hour to cover that expense or you will go out of business.

This doesn’t help small business and if there are not enough customers for the product you are screwed either way. But what if your stand was part of a franchise? Those workers are screwed as well if you go out of business. And you were not rich, you were just trying to maintain minimum wage. You could diversify by mowing lawns, but that time takes you away from the lemonade stand. Complete enterprise change or become an employee for someone else? But what of the people that enjoyed that lemonade?

Well an alternative is social programs to support you to make up the difference, but doesn’t that increase poverty then by creating more users of social welfare? Plus you have costs rising on the social programs before adding more people just from doubling the prices of food and other essentials.

That is a self destructive path to me. Which can only be combated by raising minimum wage again and hoping more businesses are not impacted and increasing the population on the welfare rolls even more.


Are you familiar with the "slippery slope" fallacy?



posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Lucidparadox

Democrats are sure generous with other people's money!


The idea that you believe there is such a thing as "your money" pinpoints how much you are lost in the matrix...

You and I "own" nothing at the end of the day.




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