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When I was a kid’: Elizabeth Warren makes a bold claim about minimum wage

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posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

How does that work when the value of the work has increased (average employees production per hour has skyrocketed yet pay has not) but paying employees more would devalue the dollar? Funny how it doesn't work the other way around huh? Rich get richer workers produce more get paid the same and you're cool with that....and the person that points that out is the stupid one?




posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 12:59 PM
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The difference is that workers are almost twice as productive as back then, but effective wages have decreased. To add, I don’t see how increasing wages will devalue the dollar when the fed printed 17 trillion for the banks and the dollar didn’t bat an eyelid.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 12:59 PM
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Damn, you beat me to it.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:00 PM
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Apparently, in their minds corporations raking in less profit and workers making more money to live off of deflates the dollar.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn




Liberals are collectivists. You never see individuals, you see everyone divided into groups. You look at people in generalities and refuse to acknowledge that the person you're speaking to may actually be an intelligent person with his/her own ideas. Liberals' embrace collectivist ideologies like socialism. They've embraced identity politics and cordoned off sections of society based on this and called it a "coalition".


You are right... I did say 'you guys" when I mentioned the 3-d chess I think... and have probably done it again meaning you ATS trump supporters... but not just ATS trump supporters, totally anti-dem... lump us into a group and call us all stupid... Can you be sure you have never done that?

You just said liberals are collectivists... is that not lumping everyone into a group? Is that not what you just said you do not do? seriously you wrote a paragraph lumping a whole group of people into a single group that you say you are not part of?

What I would criticize the president on you might praise him for... Criticizing American Citizens personally, cyber bullying and denouncing American citizens about their looks... name calling and well lying to America...

That is my problem with him... I have been in trouble in my life... had to go to court.. Just podunk county in backwater michigan but you have respect for the court...He does not have the respect for the office that it is due... just my opinion...



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:14 PM
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lump us into a group and call us all stupid... Can you be sure you have never done that?


No, but I can be sure I addressed posters individually for whatever the discussion was about.

I'd hate to be a hypocrite, but when I see liberals repeating the same things others say verbatim, I have to wonder if you actually do stop and think about the things you say. Liberals USED TO BE for individualism and free expression. Now liberals are for collectivism and group think..What happened?




You just said liberals are collectivists... is that not lumping everyone into a group?


Socialism is a collectivist ideology. Most liberals believe in socialism.

DuckDuckGo dictionary.

Collectivism

Collectivism is a cultural value that is characterized by emphasis on cohesiveness among individuals and prioritization of the group over self.


There is a degree of collective effort and idea sharing that is required for society to function. But the danger in collectivism comes from ideology, to wit:


Individuals or groups that ascribe to a collectivistic worldview tend to find common values and goals as particularly salient and demonstrate greater orientation toward in-group than toward out-group.


In other words, they create echo chambers and isolate themselves from society(Twitter, Reddit, Facebook and the liberal MSM). Often times this is reinforced by the perceived threat of capitalist nations. You see it everywhere socialism is failing. Most notably in places like Venezuela.




What I would criticize the president on you might praise him for... Criticizing American Citizens personally, cyber bullying and denouncing American citizens about their looks... name calling and well lying to America...


Would you provide examples please?




That is my problem with him... I have been in trouble in my life... had to go to court.. Just podunk county in backwater michigan but you have respect for the court...He does not have the respect for the office that it is due... just my opinion...


Not sure what you being in trouble has to do with what Trump does in office. I will say that he does not act like a professional politician, but that is the point.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Liberals are collectivists. You never see individuals, you see everyone divided into groups. You look at people in generalities and refuse to acknowledge that the person you're speaking to may actually be an intelligent person with his/her own ideas. Liberals' embrace collectivist ideologies like socialism. They've embraced identity politics and cordoned off sections of society based on this and called it a "coalition"

that is exactly what you just did is it not???

Tell me how it is different when you do it

Are you individually the only one that is allowed to do it? Is it all republicans that are allowed to do it? If I was to say all Muslims are terrorist would you agree with me?

So you may not be a collectivest but you certainly proved right here you are a hypocrite... most of you are though and probably dont even know it...



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:21 PM
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I just proved it to you with the definition of what a collectivist is.

What more do you want?




So you may not be a collectivest but you certainly proved right here you are a hypocrite... most of you are though and probably dont even know it...


Don't get mad at me because you lost this argument.

Have a nice day and embrace your collectivism.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:24 PM
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If I was to say all Muslims are terrorist would you agree with me?


No I would not.

Not all Muslims are terrorists. But they do follow an ideology that justifies much of the actions they take in support of terrorism. Islam has not had a reformation in its 1400 year history. That discussion is WAY more nuanced than this post could possibly cover without going completely off topic.

You should probably actually read what I posted instead of being so butthurt about the truth.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:24 PM
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I don’t see how a nation such as Venezuela, subject to decades of economic warfare, sanctions, attempted coups and assassination, is an example of socialism failing. I see it as a country losing a war against the us. Like all nations tend to that the us sets its sights on. Yes, their economy is in ruins. That’s exactly what sanctions are supposed to do. That’s exactly the priority of our NGO’s over there. That’s a cia play by play typical us coup.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
The difference is that workers are almost twice as productive as back then, but effective wages have decreased. To add, I don’t see how increasing wages will devalue the dollar when the fed printed 17 trillion for the banks and the dollar didn’t bat an eyelid.


No they haven't.

Technology has made people more productive at the same time Americans have never been paid more, AND have more benefits.

Employers are already shelling out for your social security/medicare payments. They pay a crap load that gets ignored.

Wage raises means ss/medicaire payments ALSO increase.

Of course wage increases are worthless because of the progressive tax rate.

Meaning the more people get paid. STATISTS have more money to blow.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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is an example of socialism failing.


Venezuela is an example of socialism failing.

The socialists took over EVERY corner of industry and mismanaged it to the point of collapse, but you want to blame capitalism?

www.forbes.com...



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:33 PM
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ok maybe I am wrong... and i do appreciate you responding to me... but set me straight.... you said liberals are "collectivists"

and a "collectivest" is somebody that lumps people together and does not see the individual right?

But is that not what you just did? collectively lumping all liberals into the group of collectivests?

I am not trying to argue with you, trying to understand....



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: DBCowboy

How does that work when the value of the work has increased (average employees production per hour has skyrocketed yet pay has not) but paying employees more would devalue the dollar? Funny how it doesn't work the other way around huh? Rich get richer workers produce more get paid the same and you're cool with that....and the person that points that out is the stupid one?


Like it or hate it, I don't care.

I just stated facts.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: pexx421
The difference is that workers are almost twice as productive as back then, but effective wages have decreased. To add, I don’t see how increasing wages will devalue the dollar when the fed printed 17 trillion for the banks and the dollar didn’t bat an eyelid.


No they haven't.

Technology has made people more productive at the same time Americans have never been paid more, AND have more benefits.

Employers are already shelling out for your social security/medicare payments. They pay a crap load that gets ignored.

Wage raises means ss/medicaire payments ALSO increase.

Of course wage increases are worthless because of the progressive tax rate.

Meaning the more people get paid. STATISTS have more money to blow.


A simple perusal of gdp share to wages and labor would show that you are incorrect. Over the last 40 years the percentage going to wages and labor has declined. This flies in the face of your characterization that we are getting more back from our work than before.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:50 PM
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Collectivism Collectivism is a cultural value that is characterized by emphasis on cohesiveness among individuals and prioritization of the group over self.


honestly does not sound horrible... Is that unlike, the mission, the men and me?

I don't think I "lost this argument" because i did not think we were arguing... I threw some opinions out and asked of yours... maybe that is the problem... anybody that does not have your same opinion is to be considered a hostile... idk...

I am no genius... I like your opinions,,,

If you need examples of the President of the United States talking # about American citizens... well you can find that yourself...

What me being in trouble has to do with the President, is that when I went into the courtroom, I had respect for that court... and showed it... whether i believed in it or not, I showed respect.... trump does not... that is how it pertains to the President...



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:51 PM
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So you’re saying that we haven’t been sanctioning them? We didn’t enter an agreement with Saudi to drop oil prices to manipulate the market against them, Iran and Russia? That we haven’t attempted coups over there? Or funded NGOs to foment discord? Is this the story you’re peddling? Or are you saying those things have no effect?



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: neo96




Employers are already shelling out for your social security/medicare payments. They pay a crap load that gets ignored.


Just out of curiosity, if you qualify will you not apply or collect social security or medicare?



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:54 PM
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ok maybe I am wrong... and i do appreciate you responding to me... but set me straight.... you said liberals are "collectivists"


In fact, they generally are due to their collective support of ideologies like socialism and that has continued to trend upward among especially young liberals. This is seen in the continued support on the left of socialist candidates like Bernie Sanders and AOC.



and a "collectivest" is somebody that lumps people together and does not see the individual right?


That's an oversimplification. A collectivist places the needs of the many ahead of the individuals concerns. They believe in collective rights vs. individual rights. They tend to segregate groups by social likeness or ethnic identity and then proceed to form political "coalitions" from these segregated groups. If you want an example of modern liberal segregation look no further than college campuses.

What this post fails to identify is that racism is a particularly nasty form of collectivism. This view of "ingrained racism" leaves no room for escape for the individual and forces a confined and rigid way of thinking while offering criticism that white liberals are too rigid in their thinking.

This is where collectivist ideology fails. It eats itself because it can never conform to the ever changing demands of the mob, or "collective". It is very important to separate yourself from collectivism. You CAN BE LIBERAL without being a collectivist. The above is the playbook for the modern liberal.




But is that not what you just did? collectively lumping all liberals into the group of collectivests?


I acknowledge that not all liberal are collectivists. But they continue to support collectivist ideas and policies. Gun control, for instance. The collectivist, you would think, would see that 98% of gun owners never engage in violence of any kind so therefore the problem isn't guns. But that's not what we get. We see a shooting and the collectivist wants to punish all gun owners via legislation they even admit wouldn't solve the problem that underlies the incident.

Maybe, if you don't see the world like that, you aren't really a liberal. Maybe you're an individualist and you want your lot in life back and I have misjudged. But coming to the defense of collectivist dunces like Warren won't help that cause and may actually make it worse.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: tinner07

stop bleating and make your own thread easy




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