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originally posted by: ArMaP
originally posted by: james1947
You should observe a bit more respect for the individuals involved...
What individuals, the Aliens? If yes, why?
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: james1947
If you watched those videos then you don't even understand what he said.
It doesn't matter how many stars were discovered after Sagan died, he in fact predicted that someone should be able to come up with a much better match than he presented and even then he would not find it convincing as evidence and he explained why. His explanation is not invalidated by the discovery of additional stars, the star map is still totally worthless as so-called "evidence".
Well, I only wanted to voice my objection to the statement that there is "no evidence", or "no proof", since neither is true!
Further, he obviously (to anyone who has actually done the work) didn't do any of the work to determine IF Betty's map was valid or not. He may not have had the tools to do that level of work in his time.
originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: james1947
The poster you replied didn't say evidence, they said proof.
experiences can and certainly do equal delusions for quite a few interested and invested in Ufology
This nonsense again
if its proof why do you constantly push it in avenues that wont make any difference?
If its proof why not present your finding to an established scientific venue so the proof can be verified and exposed?
Nah, lets just feed our delusions on conspiracy site and keep saying its proof
originally posted by: musicismagic
I think if we start using "AFOS" that would give more credit to those people that actually have encounter such living matter from outer spacer.
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: musicismagic
"There has never been any sighting of extraterrestrial crafts from the International Space Station in all these years. "
Yeah, like they would be allowed to report such things as if it was no big deal. Nobody knows if they have actually seen anything up there except for the astronauts/cosmonauts themselves, and the people who debrief them.
originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
a reply to: james1947
Back again to try and pull people into your silly arguments? You've yet to convince anyone on this forum "james1947".
The type message boards you should be making statements as facts:
www.physicsforums.com...
That's a huge claim to make that has to be met with heavy scientific scrutiny. You haven't done that. Especially by perusing online alien message boards.
Anyone with basic spatial skills recognizes the visual faults in your theories. As I said in one of our endless exchanges:
"So you've moved all of her dots, tried to make a similar pattern with the lines, used only stars when Betty describes both stars and planets, placed your map onto a 3-dimensional rendition of the stars in our galaxy when she drew her map in 2-dimensions" Betty's map only became 3-D in 1969 when Majorie Fish visited her.
originally posted by: james1947
Yes back, but, not trying to convince anyone of anything...just adding my 2 cents. As for the reference to my analysis; that is just my way of saying that there is in fact evidence of Extraterrestrial involvement with Earth and Humans.
originally posted by: Blue Shift
Still beating that dead horse of a Betty Hill Map whenever you can, huh? You should read some other encounter reports. Humanoidlord can hook you up. A lot of aliens say they come from Venus. Don't even need an iffy map for that. Then you can try to figure out which aliens are really telling the truth and which ones aren't.
originally posted by: james1947
Finally; The Hill case is, to the best of my knowledge, the only instance where an artifact was produced that could be shown to be authentic...seriously, Betty could not have drawn that as a random event...
originally posted by: ArMaP
originally posted by: james1947
Finally; The Hill case is, to the best of my knowledge, the only instance where an artifact was produced that could be shown to be authentic...seriously, Betty could not have drawn that as a random event...
My problem with Betty's map is that it was made by her, it's not an object left by the Aliens that we can analyse.
originally posted by: james1947
And that "heavy scientific scrutiny"? I can't do that, you have to, or someone with the appropriate skills, point is, I can't some other scientist has to.