White House Announces 234-Mile Construction Of The Border Wall

originally posted by: BoscoMoney
a reply to: Toothache

Naw, this is The President doing what he was elected to do. The fact that you dont like that is IRRELEVANT.

It's not about liking it. It's about the president creating a fake national emergency to bypass congress. There are way bigger issues, this is not emergent.

Plus how can you say that is what he was "elected to do." It wasn't a one issue election, plus he said Mexico would pay for the wall, he didn't say he'd put people into debt by shutting down the government for no reason.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Toothache

The problem is, this isn't even close to a national emergency. It's Trump being a bully and baby to get what he wants.

Can we not say the same thing for Nancy and Chuck being bullies and babies in not doing what they should because they are worried about 2020? They are forcing Trump to do something they have the power to prevent, and some how that is OK with you...

LOL @ saying they are FORCING Trump. Normally when a president makes a law or needs to appropriate funds, he goes through congress. The fact that he FAILED at that isn't on the democrats. By this logic any president should just declare national emergency any time he wants something congress doesn't agree with. It's stupid, and the law is meant for REAL emergencies. The border doesn't qualify.

originally posted by: Emerys
I had no idea Putin was running ATS website now.

It's like this is the home of the alt right now. It used to be so much more diverse. I can't believe the nut hugging going on in this thread praising Trump as if this fence was super important. It's LOLworthy.

a reply to: AProudLefty

LOL you have no idea what you're even reading them for. How are so many lefties this bad at reading comprehension? The contention was that obama told ICE to stand down and thus the reason detentions were down. The graph showed detentions were down. The articles showed ICE was told to stand down by obama.

Obama said "hey guys, stop arresting so many people"
ICE did as commanded
Obama touted "border crossings are down, we are detaining fewer people than ever!"
Idiots say "Obama fixed illegal border crossings! yay!"

It's really simple, when you stop arresting people, you have fewer detainments. Can you really not grasp that?

This will be knocked down by district courts and SCOTUS. It is clearly overreach and even his newly nominated Kavanaugh is going to side against him on this. As should everyone, even those who are die-hard GOP members because it is a slippery slope from this to dictatorship.

Trump is probably going to be moving fast to get as much wall built before the judges sign motions to prevent any further action that is not paid for by the congressional bill.

Here's a neutral news source on the 16-state lawsuit since it's from England :-)
www.bbc.com...

Trump saves his base in 2020 b/c he can say to his base "I tried, and got 2.x billion" (plus whatever he'll get in the beginning of 2020)

originally posted by: Toothache

LOL @ saying they are FORCING Trump. Normally when a president makes a law or needs to appropriate funds, he goes through congress. The fact that he FAILED at that isn't on the democrats. By this logic any president should just declare national emergency any time he wants something congress doesn't agree with. It's stupid, and the law is meant for REAL emergencies. The border doesn't qualify.

So you don't deny the left is only doing this as a 2020 reason? The funny part is when Obama did NE against the cartels, that is still active, where was the emergency for that one? The funny part is Trump is just piggybacking that one, and if you want to get really hysterical Obama signed into law almost super powers for the President in these cases with the idea Hillary was going to win.

So what we have is a serious problem on the border that Trump is using parts of an Obama NE about the cartel to support his and he basically has all the power to do it.

Thanks Obama!!

a reply to: Xtrozero

Both sides are playing games and refusing to compromise. Trump was biding his time to see what the courts would rule. In 2018 he worked out something with the dems and then backed out of it.

a reply to: Toothache

That doesn't mean the president can't be an idiot and make the wrong call. I know damn well he's got the power to do it, but it's not a real emergency by a long shot.

That is your opinion, which, if combined with $1.00, might buy you a Coke. That's if Cokes cost $1.00.

The law states that only one opinion matters, and it's the President, not Toothache.

Imagine the insanity if Obama shut down the government and declared national emergency over mass shootings? Y'all would be saying the same thing.

That would depend on the actions he was taking under the declaration. Unlike you, I do not play identity politics. I look at policies and actions.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Dwagon

So, you believe the courts should just stop any action you don't like, regardless of law?

Nice to know.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: watchandwait410
Oh I forgot to say that what if there is a prodigy or a Einstein like person trying to cross?

They would come across legally...

originally posted by: Dfairlite
Obama said "hey guys, stop arresting so many people"
ICE did as commanded
Obama touted "border crossings are down, we are detaining fewer people than ever!"
Idiots say "Obama fixed illegal border crossings! yay!"

It's really simple, when you stop arresting people, you have fewer detainments. Can you really not grasp that?

This is 100% false. Illegal immigration as a whole has gone down, not just ARRESTS. Look at the recent Pew data on illegal immigration. More people were getting arrested in 2002 when illegal immigration was lower than it is today. Since 2007, II has been steadily declining, that is a fact.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Toothache

LOL @ saying they are FORCING Trump. Normally when a president makes a law or needs to appropriate funds, he goes through congress. The fact that he FAILED at that isn't on the democrats. By this logic any president should just declare national emergency any time he wants something congress doesn't agree with. It's stupid, and the law is meant for REAL emergencies. The border doesn't qualify.

So you don't deny the left is only doing this as a 2020 reason? The funny part is when Obama did NE against the cartels, that is still active, where was the emergency for that one? The funny part is Trump is just piggybacking that one, and if you want to get really hysterical Obama signed into law almost super powers for the President in these cases with the idea Hillary was going to win.

So what we have is a serious problem on the border that Trump is using parts of an Obama NE about the cartel to support his and he basically has all the power to do it.

Thanks Obama!!

I did not even like Obama. What Obama did does not excuse what Trump is doing today. That's the biggest fallacy going, where people who disagree with Trump always get, "but Obama did X..." It's irrelevant what Obama did. I'm talking about what Trump did.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Toothache

That doesn't mean the president can't be an idiot and make the wrong call. I know damn well he's got the power to do it, but it's not a real emergency by a long shot.

That is your opinion, which, if combined with $1.00, might buy you a Coke. That's if Cokes cost $1.00.

The law states that only one opinion matters, and it's the President

I don't care. The president can still be wrong in his opinion. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's right or valid.

What if congress invokes the 25th amendment and assess that Trump is mentally ill even if he's not? You will have no problem with him being removed from office, correct? It's legal...

a reply to: Toothache

Must mean they're sneaking in undetected 😎

a reply to: Toothache

How many Illegal Aliens now reside in the U.S.?

It's amazing how well we can track how many illegals we don't catch and how much drugs we don't intercept on the border isn't it?

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Toothache

How many Illegal Aliens now reside in the U.S.?

It's amazing how well we can track how many illegals we don't catch and how much drugs we don't intercept on the border isn't it?

The numbers are estimated, but if you look at the chart it says that it has a 90% confidence index, so it's not just out of the blue. If you don't agree with the Pew survey, look up the data collection methods.

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Toothache

How many Illegal Aliens now reside in the U.S.?

It's amazing how well we can track how many illegals we don't catch and how much drugs we don't intercept on the border isn't it?

That's like asking exactly how many ants are in the whole world 😎

a reply to: Toothache

I don't care. The president can still be wrong in his opinion. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's right or valid.

So you don't believe in the law either?

Again, good to know.

TheRedneck

a reply to: xuenchen

An easily answerable question.

originally posted by: Toothache

I did not even like Obama. What Obama did does not excuse what Trump is doing today. That's the biggest fallacy going, where people who disagree with Trump always get, "but Obama did X..." It's irrelevant what Obama did. I'm talking about what Trump did.

Like or dislike has nothing to do with any of this...The left created the power for Trump to use, and now that power is in the hands of the right, they are all of a sudden up in arms, where if Hillary had won they would have been fine with it. You also need to remember that Trump is not over stepping his authority, that money is already allotted by Congress and it is his right as President to use it. Nothing new here that hasn't been done before...the only new thing is the REEeee from the left.