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posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: MadLad
a reply to: Fools

I love that view, that capitalism is the natural state of things. Trade has been the cornerstone of peace and prosperity between individuals and communities since time immemorial.


thank you




posted on Feb, 18 2019 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Fools




It is not, it is a natural state of things.


How natural is it exactly? Natural like... err.. say promiscuity, rape and abuse?

So what? The natural state of things is decay with a strong tendency towards entropy. I suppose we should stop brushing teeth and head straight for the cellar, light a candle and just "let it be for good"?

Forget the betterment of humanity, this is about the betterment of your saving accounts. I get it, just be frank about it?



If that is the way you view the natural order of things then so it is. And one might say that all communist/socialist nations have done alot more in the terms of rape and abuse than those that did not.

I already am fairly sure of your response: Real communism has never been tried....



Here's another quick question: did communism operate under capitalism as well?

Hint: the answer isn't "no" and thus your whole response misses the point. But yes, communism is a very old concept. A few nordic tribes with their thing thing come to mind, various peasant uprisings during the renaissance and the anarcho-syndicalists during the Spanish civil war.
Communism doesn't oppose capitalism and Marx called his book "The Capital" for a reason. Go and figure?



posted on May, 8 2019 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Fools




It is not, it is a natural state of things.


How natural is it exactly? Natural like... err.. say promiscuity, rape and abuse?

So what? The natural state of things is decay with a strong tendency towards entropy. I suppose we should stop brushing teeth and head straight for the cellar, light a candle and just "let it be for good"?

Forget the betterment of humanity, this is about the betterment of your saving accounts. I get it, just be frank about it?



If that is the way you view the natural order of things then so it is. And one might say that all communist/socialist nations have done alot more in the terms of rape and abuse than those that did not.

I already am fairly sure of your response: Real communism has never been tried....



Here's another quick question: did communism operate under capitalism as well?

Hint: the answer isn't "no" and thus your whole response misses the point. But yes, communism is a very old concept. A few nordic tribes with their thing thing come to mind, various peasant uprisings during the renaissance and the anarcho-syndicalists during the Spanish civil war.
Communism doesn't oppose capitalism and Marx called his book "The Capital" for a reason. Go and figure?



You are so incorrect. In fact I think in my OP I stated clearly that without Capitalism socialism cannot exist. It is sort of like saying that without the meat of the zebra the lion cannot exist. Do you understand that?

Socialism is "unnatural". It only lasts as long as the energy supplied by capitalism allows it to exist. Once that energy has been drained, the it dies.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: Fools

Capitalism cannot exist without socialism, aka quantitative easing. I have no idea in which universe you're at, but I 'd reckon it might be one that thrives on alternative facts.

Keep talking about that energy though, I could use some for my third eye. It died!



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Fools

Capitalism cannot exist without socialism, aka quantitative easing. I have no idea in which universe you're at, but I 'd reckon it might be one that thrives on alternative facts.

Keep talking about that energy though, I could use some for my third eye. It died!


Actually it can and has. Of course there were other systems such as mercantilism and so on that have existed but the over arching system is capitalism. I am glad you disagree, maybe that might make you look a little further into your own claims.

Capitalism itself is just a word that was created to explain the human interaction with the markets it creates and uses. Markets and trade were here long before anyone ever thought to make the study of it a university degree.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: Fools

So you are talking about the medieval concept of a marketplace with no regards for actual financial markets and the crisis in 2008. That's refreshing! Could you show me the way to my place in line for the bonfire now?
edit on 16-5-2019 by PublicOpinion because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Fools

So you are talking about the medieval concept of a marketplace with no regards for actual financial markets and the crisis in 2008. That's refreshing! Could you show me the way to my place in line for the bonfire now?


You are REALLY misunderstanding what I am saying. Do you know what over-arching means? Do you understand that there are natural laws that exist without our input? I am guessing not.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: Fools

Perhaps we should approach economics the way some approaches morality "what would Jesus Do?"



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Fools

Perhaps we should approach economics the way some approaches morality "what would Jesus Do?"



My point is that without water there would be no fish. Capice?



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: rickymouse

Scaling is the issue in nearly all economic systems.

True. For tens of thousands of years, living in small tribes, humans and proto-humans hunted and gathered and contributed to the tribe as a whole, making sure that everyone's individual needs were met. Men and women had different tasks, but everybody did something to contribute, and received something in return. That's not capitalism, yet it allowed humanity to thrive.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Fools

Perhaps we should approach economics the way some approaches morality "What would Jesus Do?"

Jesus lived with a small association of people -- 12 apostles and who knows exactly how many other random hangers-on -- and their primary source of income was sorcery. Casting demons out of sick people to cure them. In return, they usually got food or a place to stay, which was divided among the followers. Yeah, Jesus got the occasional foot massage with rare and expensive oils. Why not sell it and give it to the poor, his apostles asked? Jesus said because the poor will always be with us, but you'll only have me around for a short time.

So even in that kind of communistic community, the head guy still gets the gravy.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 08:07 AM
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My point is that without water there would be no fish. Capice?


If it wasn't for the destructive power of capitalism there would be no need for unions and or/ socialism. And I don't disagree.

So what?



posted on May, 22 2019 @ 07:16 PM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: rickymouse

Scaling is the issue in nearly all economic systems.

True. For tens of thousands of years, living in small tribes, humans and proto-humans hunted and gathered and contributed to the tribe as a whole, making sure that everyone's individual needs were met. Men and women had different tasks, but everybody did something to contribute, and received something in return. That's not capitalism, yet it allowed humanity to thrive.


And I assume you also think that there was no trade with these individuals? Like, I will give you 20 loaves of bread (or whatever) for that ivory necklace??? Nah, that never happened. I am not sure what to say to the hippies of this world.



posted on May, 22 2019 @ 07:17 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Fools




My point is that without water there would be no fish. Capice?


If it wasn't for the destructive power of capitalism there would be no need for unions and or/ socialism. And I don't disagree.

So what?





But of course, primitive people always live in peace and harmony. Of course they do. They never fight or anything. They just give of themselves whatever their neighbors need all the time.

I have a bridge to sell....



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