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Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez on Amazon's 3 Billion Dollar Tax Break

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posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 04:18 PM
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originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: conspiracy nut

Amazon set their own minimum wage at $15/hr, isn't that what so many people protested for? Go figure, you get $15 and then want more, here's my shocked face.


They hardly have any employees! In the scheme of things.. who wouldn't want to work for Amazon? Unless you make more than $15/hr of course. Obviously I don't because.. I'm in the food industry right now, lol. Hey, it's fun and rewarding for now, you just get paid like dirt but it's good um.. experience. Yeah, I can get a better job with a year of experience at this one.. right? 😓

NO! Lower working class slave, I mean worker.. whatever. You don't have kids or a pregnant girlfriend so you can't get SNAP benefits for groceries. Medicare isn't available because your state didn't expand it, but you would've been eligible, so we'll waive the rax return penalty on health insurance for you to buy more food for calories.. so that you can be healthy enough to perform your job cooking and serving food to customers, expending your calories for almost minimum wage pay so that you can.. spend it on more food for calories to be healthy enough to cook and serve food.




posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 04:58 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Ha ha ha...isn't it like the 1% of New York wealthy are basically carrying New York? In other words if they keep driving big businesses and jobs out of New York things are gonna go down hill at an increased rate..Govenor Cuomo
They really need these entry level and management jobs in the state..




"I don't believe raising taxes on the rich," Cuomo said. "That would be the worst thing to do. You would just expand the shortfall. God forbid if the rich leave."

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Wonder how this works into the socialist agenda and does this comment infuriate the hard left?
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posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

This is why you should understand state legislature prior to going to national legislature.

The $3bil would be recovered from the business that Amazon brought (sales taxes, payroll taxes, etc, etc)



posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

I comprehended, it’s just incorrect. Louisiana has far more corporate profit than most states as well. From the oil industry. Yet it’s a red state so education is 3rd lowest, poverty is rampant, and life expectancy is shorter. Florida is not far off. So what, the corporations will all move to tax haven states where they can bypass benefiting the community, and all states should be such #holes to benefit the corporate masters? That’s my whole point. Where do you think that will end? Exactly where the whole US is going. With corporations and finance raking in all the surplus and all the people doing the work racking up debt. Thanks Friedman. So strange that all you corporatist right wingers have so much love for neoliberalism.



posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Except their base Seattle passed a $15 an hour law, unless you mean all amazon workers make that.
a reply to: xuenchen


All amazon workers make $15/hr or more.



posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 05:34 PM
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Look, i don’t have an issue with you. But ats is as bad as my fb and twitter now. In those, anybody that provides any critique of the democrat progressive narrative is downvoted or attacked mercilessly. Increasingly, ATS is a circle jerk and echo chamber of current conservative narratives.

I’ve put forward reasonable feedback as a moderate, and living my life in ca and nyc, yet only the most CA hating, anti blue city, and corporate friendly posts on this thread are being starred and supported.

Yup, we’re all commies and you are all Nazis. Great.

Good job guys. Stay woke in your echo chambers lol.
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posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

You seem to be an ardent socialist or at least proponent of socialism.

Basically, you are at the stage of "EEEK! Rich! Unfair, unfair, take it! Take it and give some to me!"

OK, ask yourself ... why does your ideology rely so heavily on there being rich people? Think really hard about this. Every socialist practice and program relies on the drumbeat of "Those dirty rich people and evil, greedy rich corps have way more than they should and you are being treated bad! We'll take it from them and give you free stuff with it!"

OK.

So what happens when they do? Are you just assuming that the rich will endlessly stay rich and the evil, greedy corps will endlessly rake in money to be taken?

If you are, you're pitifully naive. Either they find ways to stop being abused like that, and it would be abuse, or they are eventually broken and no one is rich or there are no evil, greedy corps left from which to take that money to pay for your free stuff.

What then?



posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 06:11 PM
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I respect you, but there are two extremes.

Marxist/socialists are extreme at one end as you are describing.

At the other end are endlessly pro rich, pro corporate, “the hand of the free market will solve everything and every rich person truly earned all of that without exploitation or corruption” types.

Both are naive and defy historical evidence.
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posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 06:18 PM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

A healthy economy relies on some interventions, but at the same time, do any of us know either what a truly free market would and would not allow? It's been so long since we've seen one without so much interference that it's hard to say.

I do know that just like with any game, the more rules, regulations, and laws you have trying to control the system, the more complex it is, and with every degree of complexity you introduce, you also introduce ways for the system to work in ways it was never intended to. It can advantage some more than it should, disadvantage others more than it should and playing field is anything but level, and when you try to level things by adding more rules, laws, and regulations rather than removing the ones that caused your problems, you only add more complications and create more issues.

Government depends on this as it creates a permanent job for politicians and bureaucrats. And that adds more complications because it opens up just as much room for corruption and greed as you find at any level of any business hierarchy anywhere.

That's why i do argue for simplification rather than more control.



posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

There are plenty of liberals on ATS and I enjoy the back and forth. Wouldnt be much fun or worthwhile if they weren't here.

In truth, I need my political opponents. Without them I cannot test the validity of my ideas. I have been wrong enough times to know that I need this in my life.

I dont think it is fair to say that ATS is right wing or that this site is a conservative echo chamber.

The mudpit isn't the sum of ATS.



posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 06:35 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

See. And here’s my problem. I’m presenting places, statistics, and facts to support my arguments. In none of my statements here have I made assumptions about who you are. In none do i directly attack your maturity level or character. At least edumakated largely responses with arguments about the issue, in this thread. You know nothing of me from how old I am, to the thousands of books I’ve read in my lifetime, to the presidents from both parties I’ve studied and seen come and go, to my 12 years of military service when I was younger, or the lives I’ve saved in the er. Your arguments are not contrasting facts, statistics, or history they are fifth grade schoolyard wisecracks. I’ll continue to address and debate with people with a bit more integrity and maturity in their debates, thank you ketsuko.



posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

I asked you a simple question.

The policy positions you advocate for rely on there being an endless supply of either evil rich people or evil, greedy corps to take stuff from to have it given to your by the government in the form of free stuff - health care, college, etc.

Do you think those entities you are taking from will remain endless fonts of money to plunder? Do you think they won't take any actions to avoid being plundered for those programs? And if they don't, how long do you think you can plunder them to provide endless free stuff for everyone else before you break them? It's like thinking the oil well never runs dry.

And when the Golden Goose has laid the last egg, what happens?



posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 07:35 PM
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See, and that’s my point. You assume everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. What, am I spitting out random memes and nonsense party lines? You assume I a liberal who votes democrat? Sorry, to answer your question, the corporations didn’t run out of money after the new deal. They didn’t run out of money after Bretton woods. Indeed, we had the largest middle class in history due to that, and society wasn’t going through the booms and busts until it was all deregulated.

Corporations still made profit, they weren’t outsourcing, and wages went up. We had an industrialized economy, which we don’t now. The goose didn’t die. Further, what we have now is the opposite of what you describe. The money corporations pay to labor share has been steadily shrinking.

What does it mean, when the work and productivity we produce has almost doubled, but labor share of gdp shrinks? It means they are plundering us. What do you call it when they demand more work, and more productivity, but the pay they give is less? THAT is plundering. Now, let me ask you, what happens when they have plundered so much that the working class can no longer meet their debts, no longer purchase their products, no longer afford rent or mortgage? Because THAT is when the goose will have laid it’s last egg.

The financial sector and corporate sector are taking more and more of the money, that means the working class has less and less. This is what’s called debt deflation, when the economy is contracting because people don’t have enough money to be consumers. This IS the path we are on. That you don’t recognize it is not surprising because it’s not televised, just as the 08 crash wasn’t televised before it happened.

Now, you keep saying evil corporations. What is evil? Are corporations who assassinate labor union leaders evil? Because they did that in Argentina. Same corporations still here in the us today. Are corporations who built and ran auschwitz evil? Yeah, that’s Bayer. Still here today. Are corporations who kill indigenous through despoiling their food and water evil? Texaco, exxon, still happening. Are corporations who commit the largest fraud in history, upsetting the worlds economy and demanding taxpayers pay for their mistakes evil? That’s citybank, J.P. Morgan, boa, chase. Are corporations who incite a coup and overthrow a govt, destroying a nation and causing massive immigration to us, because they don’t want that government to raise minimum wages, evil? That’s Chiquita and dole.



posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 07:45 PM
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Let me also add. What happens if we tax them more? I don’t mind paying taxes because it buys me civilization. But so we tax them more. They make less profit, oh noes!! Or worst of worst, say we tax a ridiculous amount, which we never do because it’s progressive taxation that always leaves room for profit of the big bad too big to fails. But say we did? They may leave, or go out of business, some other company will come up to replace them. Always have, always will.

Now the other side. When they’ve extracted so much that people can’t pay rent, can’t pay bills, can’t afford hospitals, can’t buy goods. Our current trajectory. Know what happens then? Social order evaporates. Normal every day joes go out for blood. Anomie reigns. Mass shootings. Society collapses and there’s no civilization for anyone.

Know which I’d rather risk?



posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 07:55 PM
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There are liberals on here, including me. But I’d put the ratio at 80% conservative 20% liberal.

I come here and places like it to get out of my echo chamber. That’s important.

However, just as I don’t like it when my normal groups dog pile not just conservatives but even liberal criticism from liberals, I also think conservatives on here or elsewhere should be careful of the same.

We are so divided right now, and many believe that’s purposeful by the powerful. Hyper partisanship and relative echo chambers are harmful to finding common ground and solutions.

I hope people can agree on that.
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posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 07:57 PM
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I hope people can agree on that.


There's a lot more harmony than disharmony.

The internet, I have found, is not real life.



posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 08:01 PM
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Okay, but I urge you to hear the other moderate side. We are trying to find the elusive target that balances the two.


All I’m saying is that you should also be cautious of those who assert that all gripes about SOME rich are unfounded. We have thousands of years of monarchy, feudalism, crony capitalism, corruption, you name it.

Many apologists on the right either sound like they were just born yesterday about how the powerful and wealthy have often colluded, or such apologists are being disingenuous for a variety of reasons.


Does that mean hard left is the answer? No
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posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 08:05 PM
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Yeah. Unfortunately I find a decline here. A decade ago I would come here to find people completely dissecting the narrative from both sides. The folk here, right and left, were all hypercritical of the lies in the narrative from their own groups as well as opposing groups. Now it seems people just come here to harp their party line and attack the opposing party line. They’ve done their job of dividing us well.... of course. They had decades of psyops, pr and propaganda science to go on. It’s just sad to come here and the people are mostly just repeating things from the news or Facebook.



posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 08:12 PM
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That’s the problem. A lot of Americans have been propagandized to think that the rich all earned that money, and none of it was exploited. And, they think it’s sane that a very small percentage has most of the wealth while the overwhelming majority have experienced stagnated wages while gdp/capita has grown. The only group that has seen income growth occur, acounting for inflation and purchasing power, is less than 1%.

Nobel Prize economist Stiglitz:

evonomics.com...

I don’t think that this apologism is a common sense, ethical view. It’s been taught.

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posted on Feb, 15 2019 @ 08:15 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
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I hope people can agree on that.


There's a lot more harmony than disharmony.

The internet, I have found, is not real life.
I agree if we average it all out across the world. To switch narratives, one thing I don’t like about living in nyc is it’s the quintessence of all the mainstream media, political divisiveness, etc.

However, I’m on my way to PA now. And like many places people aren’t quite as involved like that, on average and outside of Philly of course.



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