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Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez on Amazon's 3 Billion Dollar Tax Break

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posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 12:37 AM
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a reply to: putnam6

Capitalism does not 'lift up and reward.' It punishes the poor for being poor and shields the rich from consequence. It exploits the employees in favor of the employers. Capitalism has killed more people throughout history and has pushed more into brutal servitude than any other economic system ever to be devised.




posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 12:41 AM
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originally posted by: pexx421
From the internet to every piece of the iPhone, to computers and meds. But the profit from their sale is then privatized.


Government-funded scientists and engineers may develop the fetal version of some of those products and commodities, but they didn't innovate and improve. The government had no incentive to actually improve anything.

Only when someone says "Hey, how can we make money with this?" do they actually evolve into something people want to spend money on.


So basically socialism created the stuff but capitalism skyrockets the cost and cuts the public out of the profits of the technologies and innovations they paid to create.


Socialism doesn't create anything. Socialism is an economic policy which takes resources from one area of a pool (usually the deep end) into a leaky bucket, walks over somewhere, and pours whatever is left back into the pool (usually the shallow end).
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posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 12:48 AM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: putnam6

Capitalism does not 'lift up and reward.' It punishes the poor for being poor and shields the rich from consequence. It exploits the employees in favor of the employers. Capitalism has killed more people throughout history and has pushed more into brutal servitude than any other economic system ever to be devised.


Not even sure where to start here, because it's sounds so brainwashed and projective.

Why don't you go out and start your own utopian socialist business model and get back to us on how well it works? What will your business model be? How will you attract business? How will you train and outfit your employees? How will you motivate your employees?



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 02:32 AM
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Our ancestors are crying......this lady is too stupid to be anywhere near decision making



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 05:40 AM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: putnam6

Capitalism does not 'lift up and reward.' It punishes the poor for being poor and shields the rich from consequence. It exploits the employees in favor of the employers. Capitalism has killed more people throughout history and has pushed more into brutal servitude than any other economic system ever to be devised.


Give me a break look at Stalin and China if you want to see POOR people directly killed in the name of socialistic economic programs. but you know this don't you comrade. Such drivel would never get the first thought in America except for the naivete of people like AOC coming on the heels of Bernie and the leftist media.

Isn't it funny or ironic that all these poor seeking refuges and jobs swarm to capitalistic America....



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 05:54 AM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: pexx421





but they don’t resemble what’s described by Marx or Trotsky.


Oh my gawd! How many times have we heard THAT one!...."if only we applied socialism the way it SHOULD be applied, blah blah blah blah blah.

Exactly they have to speak in theories and platitudes because its never been successfully implemented. Its all pure conjecture and damn sure is at odds immediately with a system that has consistently delivers a high standard of living for its citizens.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 08:10 AM
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Go read the story of the Little Red Hen. That is basic capitalism.

She finds some wheat and earns a larger reward by being smart, seeing greater potential with it, delaying her gratification and applying some hard work to it.

I suppose you would say she is punishing the other "poor" farm animals by not sharing with them after they refused to help her work for her reward.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 08:41 AM
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Bretton woods and the new deal were pushed by the socialist groups, the cio, and communist groups, who were the strongest parties in the us at the time. Indeed it’s the only time when people took power from the government. It led to the most prosperous, stable economic growth period in the us. Then the corporatists, Wall Street and bankers fought back with McCarthyism, the red scare, and the expansion of our prison system to decimate working class leadership and power. They erased most of the history of that class war from the books, changed the meanings of the terms like “free market”, and “socialism” and began destroying unions and deregulating business. And that’s what took us to where we are now.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: putnam6

Capitalism does not 'lift up and reward.' It punishes the poor for being poor and shields the rich from consequence. It exploits the employees in favor of the employers. Capitalism has killed more people throughout history and has pushed more into brutal servitude than any other economic system ever to be devised.


Not even sure where to start here, because it's sounds so brainwashed and projective.

Why don't you go out and start your own utopian socialist business model and get back to us on how well it works? What will your business model be? How will you attract business? How will you train and outfit your employees? How will you motivate your employees?


Again, there are plenty socialist “utopian “ businesses in the us in worker owned cooperatives. They have fairer pay scales, the employees are paid based off of actual product and profit of their labor rather than how low an owner can push wages down, and everyone working there has votes for policy and company decisions. They are very competitive, often much more so than their peers, training and outfitting is done the way it always is, and employees are motivated by the fact that the more profit they create the more they get paid. These workplaces are usually appreciated for being much more stable, Democratic, and inclusive than our standard model.

In fact, I’m starting one myself right now in construction. I am running the administration, and will be the lowest paid in the company, my operations director and foremen will be the highest paid, and the workers will fall in between, but the margin of difference in pay is much smaller, and everyone will be making more than the average wages for this area. Only people in the company can own shares, and they can draw from their shares at the end of each year or at separation, and the shares that remain in company will be used to expand into landscaping, cleaning, home health care, and other areas to diversify so when the market crashes I can cross train my people into areas that are still needed, so people don’t just lose jobs when demand drops.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: pexx421
Bretton woods and the new deal were pushed by the socialist groups, the cio, and communist groups, who were the strongest parties in the us at the time. Indeed it’s the only time when people took power from the government. It led to the most prosperous, stable economic growth period in the us. Then the corporatists, Wall Street and bankers fought back with McCarthyism, the red scare, and the expansion of our prison system to decimate working class leadership and power. They erased most of the history of that class war from the books, changed the meanings of the terms like “free market”, and “socialism” and began destroying unions and deregulating business. And that’s what took us to where we are now.


Both your examples come on the back of periods either #! depression or #2 war, you got admit that most economies succeed in those conditions. That said I'm willing to acknowledge being from the south definitely influences me against unions mostly, not saying they dont have their place, but have been places where everything is unionized and its crooked and the costs are crazy. Saw a lighting system installed for 25 grand unionized in Vegas and the same system with expert installation in Atlanta 5 grand. More crazy is the union shop was all thats you could use,no competition at all crazy.
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posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 11:53 AM
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It’s true that in many places unions have become something other than what they should be. It’s also true that unions are the ONLY balance of power for workers, and in places, like the south, where there are no unions, there’s far less workers rights, and pay and overall standard of living is lower.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 03:54 PM
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Not sure about that standard of living remark, in the south, now the cost of living is certainly less expensive. Northeast honestly has people packed in like rats in a box at crazily high prices. Everything costs more, cause every service is heavily unionized. And you literally pay for it through the nose. And we haven't even broached organized crime and their heavy-handed union influence. Unions have their time and place, but when members due and voting influence become intertwined with organized crime am going to say no every time. We have other regulatory factors that answer to basic workers rights.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 07:06 PM
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Look at the South. I grew up in New Orleans and have lived in almost all the southern states, and out west a bit. The south, and the southeast in particular, has the highest poverty rates, the lowest education, the worst healthcare and life expectancy, statistically. Minimum wage jobs in Florida, al, ms, la, actually pay minimum wage. In other places I’ve been, no jobs pay minimum wage. Where I’m at now or when I was in az even fast food paid 11-12 an hour starting. When I was living in Phoenix my job paid twice what it did in New Orleans and the cost of living was cheaper. Crime, well that’s another issue..... but all the major banks were guilty of massive bank fraud, and there’s no unions in them, and I don’t see people closing their accounts at these banks who broke the economy of the world.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 07:26 PM
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Most (if not all) those "poverty" areas are Democrat voting pockets too.

Wonder why ? 😎



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 08:06 PM
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Really? Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Miss, and Louisiana are democrat voting pockets? Why do people speak out of their ass to defend their partisan hackery?



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 08:07 PM
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Ah, I forgot, you’re a trump supporter following in his example of lies and bloviating.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 08:11 PM
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In fact, 9 of the 10 states with the highest levels of poverty are all red states.



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 08:13 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: xuenchen

Really? Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Miss, and Louisiana are democrat voting pockets? Why do people speak out of their ass to defend their partisan hackery?


The poverty areas are.

Just look at the maps 😎

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posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 08:14 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
In fact, 9 of the 10 states with the highest levels of poverty are all red states.


And the high poverty areas are consolidated Democrat voting hives 😎



posted on Feb, 17 2019 @ 08:20 PM
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i Looked it up before I posted it and you’re incorrect. Sht New Orleans votes red almost every time and that’s where the mass of poverty is. I’m sure before you posted you looked up all those states, looked up the most impoverished areas with highest concentration of poverty, and then contrasted it with how each area voted. You’re an idiot, don’t engage with me if you’re just going to spout lies and drivel, thanks.



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